Saturday, January 6, 2024

"We Are Against Israel Because We Are Jews"

(This is part three of my series on How Mormons Should View The War In Israel.  You can find the first two posts by clicking here and here.)

I thought about captioning the above photo "A Group of Rabid Anti-Semites Protest Against the Holy State of Israel," but I was afraid the irony would be lost on some of you.  Yet that would be no less ironic than what is taking place in the video below.  See if you can spot the actual anti-semites in this clip:          
 Why, you might ask, are the police -who purport to be Jews- beating up on the men in this video who actually look like Jews?

The answer is simple. These officers represent the state of Israel, which was founded, and is still governed by, non-practicing Jews- people who are Jews by birth but who are disproportionately non-believers and atheists. These putative "Jews" purport to be the legitimate representives of worldwide Jewry and therefore cannot allow the world to discover that thousands of practicing Jews reject the State of Israel as a fraud and a counterfeit.  In short, the State of Israel finds it necessary to silence the voices who represent the religion of Judaism, lest the fraud known as "Zionism" be exposed to the world. 

For although Judaism teaches that God had once covenanted with all twelve tribes of Israel that this land was to be their inheritance, the religion of Judaism also recognizes that thousands of years ago Israel and Judah broke that covenant; the Northern tribes of Israel were all taken captive by the Assyrians, and the Jews in the South were carted off to Babylon.  Orthodox (i.e. religious) Jews recognize that God had already fulfilled his promise to allow the tribe of Judah to return to Jerusalem long ago. That happened about 350 B.C. when the Jews were allowed to return from their captivity in Babylon and rebuild the temple at Jerusalem. 

But about 70 years after the death and resurrection of Christ, the Jews were disbursed a second time, this time with no promise that they were to return.  Nowhere in the teachings of Judaism do we find God ever telling the Jews they would have the right to retake Palestine after that final dispersion at the hands of the Romans.  The Torah and the Tanakh both make clear that if Israel (meaning the descendants of all twelve tribes and not just the tribe of Judah) are ever to have their inheritance returned to them, it will occur when the Messiah comes in person, and not because the Rothschilds, the British Empire, and the United Nations conspired to hand the country over to them.  I'd say it's a safe bet that God does not employ the Rothschilds to accomplish His purposes.

Due to latter-day revelation contained within the Book of Mormon, we now know that for some time God has already been gathering the descendants of Israel to a place He calls the New Jerusalem.  The area that since 1948 has been misnamed "Israel" is not and never will be the "promised land" for the Jews.  That ship sailed a long time ago.  The modern-day State of Israel is a counterfeit and does not reflect the will of the Almighty.

You may be under the impression that today the Jews in the Holy Land are fighting for their lives against the people who live in Palestine, but what you have not been told is that this war broke out just in time to save the political prospects of the wildly unpopular Zionist President Benjamin Netanyahu.  That conniving opportunist sees this attack by Hamas as a Godsend -or he might have had he actually believed in God. 

As it happens, that attack turned out to be an opportunity for Netanyahu to rally the majority of the Jews in that area (and a good number of gullible Americans) to his support since, as George Bush learned following 9-11, there's nothing like a contrived attack on the homeland to compel a people who hated their president one day to suddenly unite behind him the next.

Although I am a devout believer in the Gospel of Christ as restored through Joseph Smith,
I have long felt an affinity for the Jewish culture, as my mother's grandparents were practicing Jews from Eastern Europe before they were converted by Mormon missionaries following their arrival in America. As I also discussed previously, Irving Reichert, the prominent rabbi of San Francisco'sTemple Emanu-El, was related to, and a contemporary of, my maternal grandmother.  In the 1940s said Rabbi was a founding member of The American Council for Judaism  and one of the earliest "Jews Against Zionism."  I suppose that's one reason I have a familial affinity for Judaism that is as strong as is my disdain for the evils of  Zionism. The American Council for Judaism vigorously objected to the indefensible claim put forth by the Zionists that all Jews, by dint of nationality alone, had the right to force Christians and Muslims from their homes, farms, and vineyards so that the Jews could take possession of those properties for themselves:
"Judaism is a religion of universal values, not a nationality… nationality and religion are separate and distinct… Israel is the homeland of its own citizens only, and not of all Jews. Zionism was a philosophy of despair, without faith in the Enlightenment; it advocated the self-segregation of Jews just when they should be seeking integration." -Jewish Virtual Library (emphasis mine.)
Sadly, since that report was published, Zionists have been doing everything in their power to hijack Judaism. Like the good Rabbi said, "we are against the State of Israel because we are Jews." After the Roman armies left Palestine, some of the Romans remained behind and made Palestine their home.  So did a good number of Jews, many of them now converted to Christianity as were the Greeks who were recognized as descendants of the lost tribes (see 1st Corinthians 10 where Paul reminds the Greeks that his fathers as well as theirs had passed through the red sea with Moses). 

Also living in that area and getting along fine with the Jews and the Christians for over a thousand years were a good many Arab people who, lest we forget, are every bit the descendants of Abraham as are the Jews and those Christians who trace their ancestry back to one or more of the "lost" tribes. So I have to smile whenever I hear Christians and Arabs derided as "anti-semites," since anyone whose people are descended from Abraham are de facto descended from Shem and are just as Semitic as the Jews claim to be. The point I'm going for here is this: there had not been much in the way of quarreling between these long-time residents until the Zionists started moving in and, with the assistance of the British and American governments, violently forcing the natives out.

As the American Council for Judaism made clear in its declaration, Israel is the homeland of those whose ancestors have been living on the land for generations. Anyone, whether Jew, Arab, Christian, or otherwise who wished to move there and purchase a piece of property for themselves was always welcome to do so. But as the Council asserted, the property belonging to the natives is not there for the taking simply because the descendants of one tribe of Israel showed up in 1947 and decided they are entitled to steal it. 

If all of this business of Jews opposing Jews is unfamiliar to you, it's because your news sources are not telling you about what's really going on in Israel.  While you are being propagandized to oppose the Palestinians, just below the radar an intellectual civil war of sorts is brewing between Jews whose God is YHWH versus putative "Jews" whose God is the State. Or, to borrow an apt description from John the Beloved in Revelation 3:9, those "who say they are Jews but are of the synogogue of Satan." 
But none of that is really what I planned to write about today.  Right now I want to talk about something else, which is...

Guess What? I Have Critics! 
I suppose it was bound to happen. I heard from more than one acquaintance who was concerned I might be headed down the path of leftism because it seemed to them I was siding with Hamas against Israel.

Anyone who read part one of this series knows I believe Hamas is as despicable as the Zionist government of Israel, so of course that accusation is hogwash.  But allow me to address this issue that presumes that because I feel sympathy for suffering women and children it somehow puts me in the same camp as those empty-headed imbeciles on the left.

Let's be honest: even the most moronic shit-lib can be right about something at least once.  So when the Zionist leadership in Israel announces their plan to eradicate an entire race of people, and then said leadership moves forward with those plans, I tip my hat to any group -even if they are my political opposites in every other way- who are observant enough to recognize that the government of Israel is corrupt and immoral.

The area where I part ways with some of these protestors is when they voice support for a terrorist organization like Hamas.  Some people are just wired to believe that if one side is acting badly, the people on the other side must be the good guys.  This is not the case with the debacle currently taking place in the Holy Land.  As I said before, the Zionist government of Israel is wicked, vengeful, bloodthirsty, and brutal; but the government represented by Hamas is wicked, vengeful, bloodthirsty, and brutal as well. If there are any "good guys" in this conflict, it is the innocent Jewish and Palestinian people -especially the children-who are the victims of the "leaders" from both sides.  Yes, Hamas are terrorists. So are those who call themselves Zionists.

If I were demonstrating against the violence in the middle east, one thing I would not do is to carry around a flag that represents the government of Palestine.  My sympathies lie with the people living in Palestine, both the Arabs and the Christians, not with those claiming to govern them, which in my view is what the Palestinian flag represents.  If I wished to express empathy for a people, I wouldn't wrap myself in the flag of the entity that is partly responsible for that people's suffering.

One reason those on the left are failing to convince everyday Americans that what Israel is doing is wrong is that those demonstrators appear to be siding with Hamas.  If they are truly concerned about the lives of innocent people, these demonstrators should make it abundantly clear that their sympathies lie with the innocent victims of this purposeful genocide, and not in any way with the terrorists on either side.

Alas, I don't think very many of these young idiots are motivated by anything other than a desire to be part of whatever "the current thing" happens to be, because recently Ami Horowitz posted a video showing that a majority of students at one of our woke universities say they would support the killing of innocent people around the world so long as those innocent people are Jewish.  Watch this short video and be appalled:

Meanwhile, on another note...

Morgan Deane Is Back!
The following surly response was leveled at me in last month's comment section:
"The worst mass slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust and your response is this nonsense. You reek of the stench of death and typify what Thomas Aquinas called the support of an evil peace. Repent, get out of your echo chamber, and love your neighbor enough to at least intellectually oppose their slaughter before you rant about their ethnicity and exhibit shallow both sideism and even more shallow prooftexts. Mormon repented of his oath and took up the sword to defend his people (Mormon 5:1). And anyone who uses Doctrine and Covenants 98 to stand by while Jews are butchered is no follower of Christ. So this is a typically pathetic post from Rock Waterman broadcasting from the sewer of the internet."

Yowza! Sounds like somebody needs a nap.

This is not the first time I've been yelled at by Morgan Deane.  Brother Deane is a latter-day Saint who will readily inform you that he holds a satchel full of university degrees in history, with a focus on ancient warfare.  He has written a number of books and papers on military strategy as pertains to medieval Europe and Asia, so if you're seeking information about historic military battles, Morgan Deane is your go-to guy.  He's also published papers dealing with warfare in the Book of Mormon, showing how the various battles were conducted and the strategies engaged in on both sides. I'd say Morgan Deane has a good knowledge of how various military strategies have been employed through the ages.

Unfortunately, Brother Deane appears to have a blind spot when it comes to the actual lessons to be gleaned from all those war chapters in the Book of Mormon.  He and I butted heads about this back in the early part of this century when America's politicians took us into war against Iraq and Afghanistan.  Morgan's position, in a nutshell, was that God clearly approved of these invasions, while my position was that the scriptures say otherwise.  I maintained that Mormon and Moroni understood that the records they compiled would one day be in our hands, so they wanted to make certain that we did not make the same stupid mistakes their people did. They specifically told us that the reason they spent so much time on the wars that took place before the Nephites were completely wiped out was so that we, the latter-day gentiles, would have a firm understanding of two vital points when it comes to fighting:

1. God's people have a right and a duty to defend their homes, their families, and their lands from invasion. We are therefore justified in repelling those who invade our homes and lands, even unto the taking of life if necessary.
2. God's people are never justified in going up into the enemy's lands to do battle. When we do that, the enemy is justified in repelling us for invading their homes, lands, and families, even to the taking of our lives. 

I originally got on Brother Deane's bad side when I reviewed an essay he contributed to an otherwise excellent book titled War & Peace In Our Time: A Mormon Perspective.  Deane's thesis was that "it was the bloodlust and general weakness of Nephite society that caused their failure," and not so much their disobedience in taking the war into the lands of their enemies. Here is what I wrote about Deane's contribution when I reviewed that book:

"Although no one would disagree that the Nephites' bloodlust was a salient factor in God's failure to support their cause, Mormon was emphatic that the dealbreaker was when his army went on the offensive against the Lamanites inside the Lamanite borders. That is when he resigned as their leader, and that's the moment he points to in Mormon chapter four as the reason God allowed the entire Nephite civilization to be destroyed.

"But Deane rejects the idea that the Nephites' defeat was the result of their crossing over into Lamanite borders. He tries hard to fit his personal beliefs into the scriptures, and those beliefs are typified by the popular view that America's pre-emptive wars against Iraq and Afghanistan (and now Libya and Syria) are justifiable before God. His thesis doesn't work. He supports his position with an unfortunate reliance on a skewed interpretation of scripture and contexts. He points to examples where the Nephites were justified in conducting offensive maneuvers in order to defeat the Lamanites, without recognizing those offensive maneuvers took place on Nephite soil and not on the Lamanites' home turf.
"Deane's view is shared by quite a few latter-day Saints today, and its inclusion in this volume is helpful if only as an example of how far many of us will stretch God's word to match our personal views. I include myself among the ranks of the formerly deluded. Though I was spared from participation in the war in Vietnam, I was an outspoken cheerleader for that adventure at the time, and for decades after. I believed with all my heart that my brothers in arms who traveled thousands of miles from home to murder people they had never met were engaged in God's work. I defended that war and the politicians who directed it with a zealous fervor my children today find hard to believe, as they know me to be quite different from the lad I tell about in my stories. (For a peek into my admittedly warped psyche as a teenage chickenhawk, see my piece "Don't Shoot, I'm Just The Messenger.")
"God does not justify nations going to war. That is Satan's arena. The Prince of Peace does not employ war to accomplish his purposes." 
(Pure Mormonism, posted May 25, 2013Why Do We Keep Celebrating Our Disobedience?)

Were the Nephites permitted to retaliate against those who came against them? Of course they were.  Unfortunately, what the Nephites wanted to do was massacre not just their attackers, but anyone who remotely looked like their attackers. And that's where the trouble comes in.   One example among many in American history that demonstrate how these things can quickly go wrong was illustrated in the Battle of Washita River in Oklahoma territory back in 1868. 

When You Washita Pawnee Star  (Sorry.)

The United States had entered into treaties with the various Indian tribes.  However, a band of renegade Indians that included Pawnee, Cheyenne, Comanche, and Arapaho tribes had gone on the warpath and massacred settlers.  The Cavalry headed by George Armstrong Custer was dispatched to find and capture these renegades. However, what the cavalry did instead was massacre an entire Indian village they came across, killing and burning everyone in it including women, children, and babies.  

That Cheyenne village had been at peace with the settlers and was continuing to seek peace. They were not the source of the renegades who had been killing pioneer settlers.  But that didn't matter.  As General Sherman famously said, the only good Indian is a dead Indian.  The cavalry couldn't find the actual bad guys, so they settled for the first group of Indians they came across.  The massacre at Washita River was depicted in the film Little Big Man, and I include that scene below because seeing that horrible massacre take place -even if it is only a hollywood recreation- helps us to understand that justice is not served by seeking revenge against those who have done us no harm.


If we have any questions about the lessons God wanted us to learn regarding war, He spelled out His rules of war one final time in a lengthy revelation given to Joseph Smith in August of 1833.  Note that the instructions the Lord gave to the Saints as recorded in section 98 of the Doctrine & Covenants are spoken by the mouth of the Lord Himself, and they are intended for our understanding and benefit still today.  He has never rescinded nor modified those rules. Yet section 98 is the very revelation Morgan Deane so flippantly dismisses in his response to me above.

Likening It Unto Our Day    

So why, you may ask, am I belaboring this?  Why am I spending so much time responding to one facile commenter because he cavalierly dismisses God's word and misunderstands what Mormon meant when he said he "repented of his oath?" 

Here's why. I see Brother Morgan's position as illustrative of the problem we are witnessing among many Americans, latter-day Saints included, regarding the injustices taking place in Palestine today.  Empathizing with those Jews who have been wantonly attacked by Hamas is one thing; supporting an evil regime that retaliates by murdering women and children who were not the ones who came against them is something else entirely.  That is not justice; it is wickedness.

So let's take a quick look at the singular act that the prophet-historian Mormon tells us facilitated the final destruction of his entire nation, because I think it is instructive in this instance.

We take up the story at Mormon chapter 3. This is about 363 years after the resurrected Jesus had appeared among the Nephites. Three and a half centuries earlier the Nephites and the Lamanites were as one, and there was peace upon the whole land for some two hundred years.  But by Mormon's day that's no longer how things are.  By this time the Nephites had completely turned from the faith, and the Lamanites were constantly nipping at their heels, invading the Nephites and plundering their lands.  The Lamanites kept attacking the Nephites and the Nephites just kept on losing every skirmish.

Finally, after much fighting back and forth, there was a decisive battle in which the Nephites really mopped the floor with the invading Lamanites; it was for once pretty much no contest.  The Nephites were the uncontested victors, thanks largely to the fact that the virtuous general Mormon himself was the one directing the Nephite armies.

Well, after losing so many skirmishes and this time finally coming out on top, the Nephite warriors got all full of themselves and decided they should go up against the Lamanite people and settle this thing once and for all. "Cut them off from the face of the land," was the way they enthusiastically put it, which is a way of saying they intended to go on the offensive for once and wipe those filthy savages off the face of the earth.

This bloodlust on the part of his troops so angered Mormon that from that moment on he vowed to no longer be the leader of the Nephite armies.  If this was the way they were going to play it, they were on their own.  Three times Mormon had delivered his soldiers out of the hands of their enemies and they never repented of their sins, but instead swore "by all that had been forbidden them by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, that they would go up unto their enemies to battle." They were no longer motivated by a sense of duty to protect their families; now they were driven by a bloody desire for revenge.  

Well now. It was one thing to fight against an army that has attacked you, but it was quite another thing to decide to go and massacre the families of the Lamanites, women and children who had never themselves come against the Nephites.  God's rules say you are permitted to defend yourselves against an aggressor; but you are not permitted to become the aggressor. Yet here were the Nephite armies now determined to go into the borders of the Lamanites and wipe out every single man, woman, and child still living.  The Lord told Mormon that because of this insane bloodlust on the part of the Nephites, they would be the ones who would be "cut off from the face of the land."  

And that's exactly what happened.  As Mormon records, "from this time forth did the Nephites gain no power over the Lamanites, but began to be swept off by them even as a dew before the sun."  After ten years of back-and-forth battles between the Nephites and the Lamanites where the Lamanites were always the victors, on the day the Nephites prepared to make their last stand, only twenty-four Nephites remained alive, and one of those was Mormon's son, Moroni.  Moments later all of them were dead except Moroni, whose life God spared so that he could preserve the record so we would one day know the horror that had taken place. 

Shortly before he was killed, Mormon tells us in his record specifically why the entire Nephite nation was annihilated: "It was because the armies of the Nephites went up unto the Lamanites that they began to be smitten; for were it not for that, the Lamanites could have had no power over them."

Morgan Deane seems to suggest in his comment that Mormon repented for having refused to take up the sword against the Lamanites, but that is not quite how the record reads.  When the Nephites earlier vowed to wipe the Lamanites off the face of the earth, Mormon, in disgust, swore an oath to never again take up the sword on behalf of his people.  Years later he tells us that he repented of that oath. Repented? For what? Did Mormon now wish he had participated in those attacks against the Lamanites? 

No he did not. He was sorry for taking an oath before God that would have prevented him from standing in defense of his brethren at the final moments when the Lamanites were slaughtering the last of his people. The record is very clear that Mormon was repenting for taking an oath, not for failing to go up against the Lamanites.  I have never been able to get Morgan Deane to recognize that fact.  

Today we see a situation in the Holy Land that seems to parallel the crimes commited by the Nephites against their brethren the Lamanites.  Because just as both the Lamanites and the Nephites were descended from father Lehi, so are the Arabs living in Palestine descended from father Abraham, same as the descendants of Judah.  It is a travesty that for the past hundred years, those who claim the high ground are so enthusiastic about killing their cousins who have lived on that land for generations just so the sons of Judah can have the place to themselves. 

Brother Deane writes accusingly to me that "anyone who uses Doctrine and Covenants 98 to stand by while Jews are butchered is no follower of Christ."

I would agree, and this is why I use the word "facile" to describe Morgan Deane's method of arguing. One would be hard-pressed to find any instance where I have ever suggested it is proper to stand by while anyone is harmed in any way -in fact I frequently and vehemently raise my voice in opposition to such crimes.  And how exactly does Morgan figure I would try to cite that revelation in order to justify  people being butchered, anyway?  I've seen Morgan Deane twist scripture to make it appear God agrees with his positions, but that's not the kind of equivocating I engage in.

Everything Old Is New Again

The parallels I see between the Nephites and the modern-day Zionists are quite apparent.  After Hamas claimed responsibility for a vicious attack that killed 1200 innocent Jews, the Zionist government responded, not by seeking out the perpetrators of the attacks, but by wiping out more than 20,000 Palestinian men, women, and children living across the border in Palestine who had nothing whatsoever to do with that brutal attack against Israel.  The terrifying persecution against the innocent continues to this day as those Palestinians who are not murdered outright are terrorized by Israeli police who specifically seek out people who they know to be innocent.

Some of the luckiest people still alive in Palestine have been reduced to taking shelter at the zoo among the animals who are starving to death along with the humans.

Meanwhile, Israeli government authorities think that as of two days ago they may have finally killed a top Hamas leader living in Lebanon (the government of Israel knows there have been no members of Hamas in Gaza since this whole thing started), but they can't really be sure it's him.  And you may have heard the propaganda coming out of Israel that Hamas is hiding in secret tunnels under the hospitals. That is pure hogwash.  As for the stories of Palestinians beheading babies, that sensational nonsense was shown to have no basis in fact three days after the October 7th attacks, following Israel government authorities admitting they cannot confirm the rumors. But I'm not sure Morgan Deane was paying attention when that news broke.

This is without a doubt the most documented genocide in history, yet so many Americans cheer it on because they believe, as so many Americans believed in Custer's day, that the innocent victims of this horror had it coming to them

The ancient Nephites were thoroughly convinced that they were the good guys, which allowed them to believe that taking revenge against women and children who did them no harm was met with approval in the sight of God. We see history repeating itself today in Israel, where hatred is now the order of the day.  Here is a clip of one of many Israeli "experts" who advocates leveling the ground in Gaza and killing as many people as possible because, as he says, "The woman is an enemy, the pregnant mother is an enemy, and the first grader is an enemy":

[UPDATE April 16, 2024: I just noticed that the video above has been removed from Youtube for violating terms of service (no kidding!).  CLICK ON THIS LINK to watch the same short video where it still exists on X.]

I must be jaded, because outrageous talk like that doesn't even surprise me anymore; I've seen too many clips like this one.  What really disturbs me at this point is seeing the children of those who are convinced they are "God's Chosen People" giddily making fun of the injured and dying children of their perceived enemies.  If scripture is any predictor of what is to come, I wouldn't want to be standing anywhere near a proud, mocking citizen of Israel when Yeshua HaMashiach decides he has finally had enough.     



Notes & Asides:

I have embedded quite a few links within the body of this post and I hope my readers will click on them all and have a look (they're the words highlighted in blue).  Most of them link to videos that are quite short, and though I know most of you won't have time to delve deeper after making it throught this long screed, I hope you'll bookmark them for later.  This is a topic that has interested me for decades, and now, when we are on the cusp of the endtimes, I think it's important to share what we know and help awaken others.

There is one link above in particular I don't want you to miss, and that is a video featuring American Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro.  The full video is two hours long, but don't despair.  If you simply start at around the 33:30 minute mark and watch for just ten minutes, you'll be absolutely gobsmacked at what you learn about the founders of this evil ideology.  Of course, you can continue watching longer than ten minutes, but you'll probably have to stop frequently just to pick your jaw up off the floor.  Here's a sample:

"Zionism, you could call it, it's a religion, a civic religion; it's a religion without God. What happened originally, the Zionists did not like being Jews. It's very simple: they did not like being Jews...They didn't want to be Jews because -no joke- they said Jews were disgusting, immoral, sick, ugly people. That's a quote! This is Jabotinsky, this is Herzl.

"You know, if Herzl would be alive today, we'd be able to dox him to be able to go and find the quotes he said on Twitter, on the internet and disqualify him and brand him as an anti-semite. Disgusting things about how he met a bunch of Jews by a party and they had dripping long noses...he really despised Jews.

"Jabotinsky? He said that what he wants to become is the opposite of a Jew. Whatever a Jew is -just imagine what a Jew is- they asked him what a Zionist is and he said 'I don't know what a Zionist is, but take every characteristic of what a Jew is and imagine the opposite. That's going to be a Zionist. Jews are ugly, Jews are scared. Zionists are gonna be fearless. Jews are disgusting; Zionists are going to be charming.'"

"They got together and figured out a way to change Jewish identity so that the anti-semites will accept them...So they had to figure out a way to be Jews but to be non-Jews at the same time.

"Herzl said once the Jews change their character and become more like their persecutors, like the anti-semites, which is basically what he wanted; the last paragraph, the climax of his book, The Jewish State, says that as soon as Zionism gets off the ground anti-semitism will end...once we become Zionists everybody's gonna love us."

Trust me, this is astounding stuff! If you haven't got time for the full two hours, at least fast forward to the 33 minute mark and catch nine or ten minutes; that's where Shapiro comes in:


Two Books, Similar Titles

On the topic of the book War & Peace In Our Time: Mormon Perspectives, in spite of my one criticism I still highly recommend the book because of the contributions others of my faith have contributed to that volume.  I have since become close friends with two of those writers, the father-son team of Ron Madson and Josh Madson.  Connie and I were honored to stay with Ron and his wife a few years ago while we were traveling through Utah.

I also want to make the distinction between that book and another with a similar title that was published a few years later: War: A Book of Mormon Perspective by Kendal Anderson.  That book is flawless, but it may interest you to know that Morgan Deane publicly attacked the author of that one, too.  The good news is that Kendal offers a pdf version to anyone free of charge at his website, Book of Mormon Perspectives. Simply go to the right side of that page and scroll down a bit until you see the image of the book, then click to download your free copy.

Interestingly enough, if you go to Amazon and enter the key words "War," "Mormon," and "Perspective" it will bring up both these books plus one of Morgan Deane's Interpreter essays, this one titled A Vital Resource for Understanding LDS Perspectives on War.  You can grab the Kindle version of that for just 99 cents. And it's worth every penny!

UPDATE January 14, 2024

Here's a video discussing the Zionist rampant propaganda. The Zionists don't want to eliminate only the Palestinians, they also hope to wipe out all Christians remaining in "their" land:


Connie Waterman said...

Rock, if anyone reads this entire post and clicks on every link like I did AND still believes that these children, women and men deserve to be slaughtered, tortured and traumatized like this; I say they have no heart and they do not honor Jesus Christ at all! These Zionists are indeed of Satan and so is every damned soul that supports these abominations. My heart has been broken over this for months...actually years.

I am truly sorry that innocent Israelis were injured and killed also, but nothing justifies the wholesale slaughter and torment of ANY people! The videos with children putting on makeup to replicate wounds and more has left me disturbed beyond belief. Worse than "blackface" could ever be! This reminds me so much of 9/11, which was used to justify destroying Iraq and Afghanistan and the killing of so many civillians, where absolutely NO weapons of mass destruction were ever found. This world is such an evil, hard, cold place and it grows more so by the day. I thank our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for His mercy and grace. For a Heavenly refuge where we will go after this life, with all of my heart.

Rhone said...

Thanks Rock. The BoM was meant to be easy to understand and follow. Its message is simple on this. I don't understand how anyone can argue against plain and precious truth.

Cpt. Moroni's example is paramount. I'll side with him on this one.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

I certainly agree, Rhone. But it is not only confused college professors who are unable to read what is in the scriptures. I wrote a piece on Memorial Day awhile back where I discussed the contents of a DVD that was issued by the Church to every LDS serviceman who was headed overseas to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was intended to put the soldiers' mind at ease if he had questions about his moral standing before God by participating in those endeavors. You would not believe the falsehoods that came out of the mouths of some of our general authorities, and not once did they rely on scripture for their pro-military arguments.

In this DVD they put two general authorities front and center who had held military careers prior to being called to the hierarchy, Lance Wickman and Robert Oaks. When addressing the question of why there are so many chapters in the Book of Mormon focusing on war...well, you just have to see their stupid answer.

I admit getting frustrated with such foolishness, because the answers to why those wars are covered so extensively is given RIGHT THERE by men like Mormon and Captain Moroni.

I provided a response to that DVD in my piece entitled "Vengeance and the Latter-Day Saint" which you can find here:

Linda Gale said...

A couple of weeks ago, an official state newspaper in Israel reported that on October 7, many of the dead were killed by Israeli policemen and soldiers, who just started shooting anything that moved, even their own citizens.

Similarly, the Israeli military has a policy that they will kill hostages, even knowing that some hostages are Israeli citizens/soldiers, just so that they for sure killed the enemy.

Remember the USS Liberty. They intentionally fired upon a clearly marked American ship. They tried desperately to sink the ship so that there would be no survivors to tell their side of the story.

These are supposedly our only friends in the Middle East. With friends like this, who needs enemies?

Morgan Deane said...

Its been ten years, and you've devoted copious amounts of writing and editorializing against me. (Some might say you need a nap.) But you still haven't located my thesis statement in a single essay from over ten years ago. That was a preliminary piece so you might try something like this now:

Read either one again (you seem to be obsessed over me anyway.) My thesis is NOT "the bloodlust and general weakness of Nephite society that caused their failure."

The inability to do something basic like identify my thesis statement, editorializing ("degrees by the satchel", "needs a nap"), along with using generalities like "in a nutshell" and failing to cite any scriptures in your vague summary of lessons from the Book of Mormon (or any part of your rebuttal rant actually) is why you're arguments are so ineffective. I always find it rather amusing that those who cite fewer scriptures, with less analysis than me, but have plenty of hot air for generalities, insults, and games on their vanity blogs still have the impudence to claim that IM the one stretching God's word. "Stretching" is something that people like you (and Kendal) resort to when you don't have any response to the MANY scriptures and good analysis I provide.

Try any of my publications, (I think you'd like renounce peace and proclaim war but the book its in is taking forever to hit the shelves), and for once, after more than a decade, provide a substantive rebuttal that includes a correct summary of my position, as well as a detailed, analytical, precise and scriptural based response. I doubt you can, but its good to know if I fall on hard times there's a place I can live rent free. Best wishes.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

My goodness, Morgan! You didn't think my piece was already overlong, so you feel I should have included a longer discussion of your views "as well as detailed, analytical, precise and scriptural based responses"? Do you realize how many man-hours it would take my readers to wade through all of that? No, my friend; the purpose of that review I wrote ten years ago was to summarize your views. However, I included links in this piece for any readers who wished to learn more from you.

I did read the piece you linked to above, and if that is your response I'm sorry to say you still don't get it. I AM a proponent of just war theory. I reject the namby-pamby notion of peace at any cost, and I recognize that the Book of Mormon demonstrates that there will -and probably should be- preventative measures taken to save a people from being conquered and enslaved, as we see in many instances earlier in the Book of Mormon. But the lessons of war as summarized by the words of Mormon at the end, and as later encapsulated in D&C 98, relate to amassing armies against another people that would almost certainly result in the killing of innocents.

I agree with Vivek Ramaswamy during a discussion with Tucker Carlson when he said that the way the Israelis should have dealt with the October 7th attack is to have Mossad seek out and kill those who engineered and carried out that attack, then put their heads on spikes along the border wall. Instead, the Israeli army launched 2,000 pound American-made bombs indiscriminately into a city of people who had nothing whatsoever to do with the attack against Israelis, and to date over 23,000 innocent men, women, and children have been killed with over 50,000 wounded. As far as I know, no one known to have planned and executed the attack against that music festival has ever been punished.

God's people are justified in killing all enemies that come against them (or who, in certain circumstances, are a threat to their well-being). But they are NOT permitted to retaliate against those who have the misfortune of being related to or living within the borders of the land their enemies reside in.

If you have a problem with God telling us in Section 98 that His people are not to go up to battle against an entire nation of PEOPLE unless He Himself commands us to do so, I suggest you take that issue up with Him.

Anonymous said...

I very much enjoy the posts! I unfortunately think it is far more insidious that you think. Netanyahu’s gov has provided support to Hamas. Israel uses Hamas to stir the up the people so the State of Israel can do what they want. Just as 911 was a secret combination false flag to get us excited about war in the Middle a east, so the State of Israel used Hamas to psyop the people and world for support to go to war. There is nothing good about it. We (all people) need to wake up and recognize when the Gadiantons are pulling our strings.

Morgan Deane said...

"Do you realize how many man-hours it would take my readers to wade through all of that?"

Awww, poor baby. A detailed and substantive rebuttal actually requires some effort. How dare I require that of you? You're also assuming that all of the above takes lots of space, but if you're concise it won't be long. Truth is, its just an excuse.

"No, my friend; the purpose of that review I wrote ten years ago was to summarize your views."

The problem is you didn't summarize my views correctly. As I've explained before, ( )
you misidentified my thesis statement, didn't locate key sources that were easily available online, and provided few scriptures to support your views.

And please stop calling me friend. You are an extremely unpleasant person that spews insults towards me. I'd have much more respect for you if you stopped pretending and just admitted the dislike that you felt towards me and which permeates the writings of you and your fellow residents of the sewer. (Speaking of the sewer, you seem pretty weak without your chorus of minions like Irvin Hill and Gary Hunt burying me in insults and cheerleading for you. Better light up the bat signal.) Calling me friend is the same kind of pretending that lets you speak for God in the same breath as saying you'd like to put people's heads on spikes, after a post where you forgot to condemn the worst slaughter of mass Jews since the Holocaust. But somehow I don't get it lol. So where is the head on spikes verse of D&C 98?

You say "I don't get it," but you'll have to actually prove it. I've explained my views across across hundreds of pieces over decades including dozens of published articles. I don't claim to be perfect, but you read one of my pieces and clearly didn't even do that well. So if I am so wrong you'll need more than your typical scripture light, hand waving rants to actually show it. You need a detailed, analytical, precise and scriptural based response.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Well hello Morgan! Sorry to take so long to respond, mon ami, but I hadn't known you commented here until one of my wife's friends mentioned it a few days ago. I'm not aware of any insults Irvin Hill and Gary Hunt spewed your way; I'm guessing those are available for viewing on one of your online essays? Would you be a pal and provide me a link so I can read them? From the way you responded they sound like a couple of interesting fellows.

Anyway, you ask me to stop referring to you as a friend. Whatever you say, Amigo!