Sunday, October 1, 2023

What The Book of Mormon Says About Abortion

Previously: This May Herald The Beginning Of The End For The Vaccine Scam 

Over the decades I've accumulated quite a number of books related to the Book of Mormon, but nothing I've ever read has prepared me for the information presented in the book you see in the illustration on the left.  Kendal Anderson described this book as "groundbreaking," and the first review that appeared on Amazon, by one Kim S. Peterson (no relation to the author) simply says it is "the most important book sold on Amazon."

I don't consider either of those descriptions to be hyperbolic. This is far and away the most incredible, most jaw-dropping exegesis on the Book of Mormon I have ever read. And I mean Ever. I hope every believer in the Restoration orders a copy of this book right now and reads it immediately. I believe it is essential that you do. A copy belongs in the home of every believer.

Now, I know what you're thinking: "What are you talking about? The Book of Mormon doesn't mention abortion anywhere in its pages!"

Well the truth is, the Book of Mormon not only does mention the horrible slaughter taking place every day in America, it screams about it. Literally. What do you think Jesus meant all those times he spoke of the great numbers brutally murdered whose blood cries up from the ground? Who do you think he was referencing when he spoke of the cries of the slain "fair sons and daughters of this people"?

Yes, the blood of innocent babies actually does cry up from the ground. Jesus can hear it even if we refuse to notice.  As author Amberli Peterson reminds us, 

"The Hebrew word za'aq is translated by the English words 'cries out' - to shriek from anquish or a sense of danger. It is a distress signal.' This word for distress signal is mentioned frequently in connection with the land."

Breaking The Code  

The reason I could read the Book of Mormon countless times and never notice the clear and blatant warnings about abortion was because I was reading it wrong. I wasn't paying attention to the true meaning of the words being used. For example, in the account of the ancient Jaredites, when "secret murders" were condemned, I just automatically assumed those passages were describing wicked instances of political intrigue, as some line of rulers always seemed to be getting themselves assassinated by their enemies.  And when the Nephites were later condemned for their secret murders, I just naturally assumed those murders referred to political power plays of one bad guy against another.

But in her book #Ripened, Amberli perfectly lays out the case that secret murders took place in ancient America on a massive scale, all for the purpose of getting rid of the evidence of what the prophets referred to as whoredoms and abominations among the people.  These murders were called "secret" for several reasons, not least because these were murders that no one ever knew about other than the victim's mother (and perhaps one or two others who may have been complicit).  A secret murder leaves no evidence, no call for an investigation, no missing person to report, and of course no trial.   It's the perfect crime, and with the currently popular view in our day such murders aren't really crimes at all but actually rights to be joyfully celebrated, anyone who still has a concience would instantly recognize such murders as among the vilest of evils.  

Amberli reminds us that plenty of books exist today documenting the history of abortions in every civilization, going at least as far back as Babylon. The Greeks and Romans were probably the most thorough in documenting the practice, naming the toxic plants used as abortifacients, and containing instructions for inserting poison-filled pessaries into the uterus.  Every civilization on earth knew the ways in which a woman could secretly dispose of an unwanted baby.  The practice is as old and as wicked as human sacrifice, which is what it has really always been. 

Saints And Sinners

What really caught me up short when reading this book was how thoroughly I misunderstood what the scriptures were trying to teach me when referring to the word "saints."  I naturally assumed that when Jesus spoke of the blood of the saints crying up from the ground, "saints" referred to the slain Nephites who had been members of the church in that day. I could not have been more wrong. 

When Jesus appeared among the Nephites in 34 A.D. he repeatedly referred to "saints" as the ones whose blood had been crying out for vengeance. And as Amberli shows, "until Jesus used that word on the great and terrible day of destruction in 34 AD, the term 'saints' had scarcely been used at all in the record."

Amberli walks us through the definitive proof that when Jesus, Nephi, and Moroni referred to "saints" they were not referring to people like you and me. I could only do her argument justice if I quoted from the entire book, but here is a small sample of a conclusion she makes after citing all the relevant scripture verses supporting this conclusion:

The term, “saints” is used in several different places in the Book of Mormon, but in the narrower context of a series of prophecies which this book will examine, the term “saints” is almost without exception, linked to blood. As in, “the blood of the saints.” Therefore, it is imperative not only to know who these “saints” are, but also why their blood plays very prominently in the prophecies of destruction.

Most people in today's world tend to equate the word "saint" with bearded holy men sprouting halos as portrayed in paintings and statues. But Joseph Smith, as with most literate 19th-century Americans, knew the meaning of saint as Noah Webster defined it in his 1828 edition of the Dictionary. That edition reflects the contemporary lexicon of Joseph Smith, the translator of the Book of Mormon, and therefore can equip modern-day readers with a more historically accurate sense of the word in question. With that in mind, according to Webster's 1828, the definition of a saint is,

"A person sanctified; a holy or godly person; one eminent for piety and virtue."

This definition has been lost on most Latter-day Saints as we have become used to a much broader, and hence diffused meaning which has completely crowded out the narrower, more precise meaning, the meaning the word is given when used in prophecy: a person who is sanctified, holy, pure -and most especially innocent. In view of that, it can be said with certainty that all babies, born or unborn, are sanctified, holy, and pure and, thus, qualified to be labeled as saints. Especially considering their wholly innocent state, which makes them incapable of sinning until they reach the age of accountability. This is not to say that other groups of individuals do not qualify as saints under that definition, just that babies certainly do.

I wish I could do this book justice by summarizing it here but there's just no way to duplicate the methodical scriptural proofs that Amberli provides without pretty much reprinting the entire manuscript.  All I can do is encourage you to read the book and and see for yourself.  But having read my feeble summary I'm sure some of you may be thinking, "is the author of this book sure those verses are referring to unborn children?"  

I understand your bewilderment. If you are the typical Mormon, like me you probably skimmed over those verses all your life thinking they were talking about the ancients who identified as members of the church of Christ in the ancient world. After all, aren’t you a member of Christ’s church today? And doesn’t that make you a “saint” here in these latter days? After all, the full name of our church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is it not? Isn’t that label -”saint”- one we would expect the scriptures to use to identify any follower of Christ?

Well, kinda. Sorta. Maybe. But it was never used in that regard in the Book of Mormon.

Please pardon the following digression, but after reading Ripened I was very interested in finding out how it was the church I was raised in misled me into believing I was an actual "latter day saint" simply because I was taught to call myself one.  That false assumption can be laid at the lap of Brigham Young after he took over leadership of the Church.  Brigham used the term "saints" as though it were synonymous and interchangeable with "members," which it most assuredly is not.  If followers of Christ in book of Mormon times were saints, the Book of Mormon would have called them saints. Instead, they were known as -are you ready for this? "Christians." (See for example Alma 46: 15)

At the risk of digressing further, here's something else I found interesting: In Alma 14 we read of a group of helpless women and children -followers of Christ- who were burned to death in front of Alma and Amulek for no other reason than cruel spite by the governing authorities. Now, if anyone deserved to be called saints, wouldn't you think it would be these hapless martyrs?  In fact, right there in verse 11 we are told that the Lord had received these victims unto himself in glory and that the blood of these innocents would stand as a witness against their sadistic executioners at the last day, "that the judgments of God which he shall exercise upon them in his wrath shall be just."  

And yet, for all that, the narrative never refers to these victims as saints. Why do you suppose not?

I'll tell you why: because even though these poor victims were ultimately received in glory, they had not been sanctified by God or made holy at any time in their lives before they were murdered.  The appellation "Saint" is not a mere title; it actually means something.  It designates someone who has at some point actually been sanctified by God.  It should not be something we toss around like a handy label or some dandy nickname. 

Time Out!
Okay, right now I'm going to do something completely unprecedented. I'm going to ask you to stop reading this blog, and immediately jump over to two other sites.  You can come back here later, but what I have written below is very much a digression and nowhere near as important, nor informative, nor even a tiny bit as interesting as what you'll see in the two links I provide below.  If you want, you can come back and finish this blog after you have feasted on what I'm about to provide you now.  So go ahead, I'll be here when you get back. 

The first link is to the blog Book of Mormon Perspectives, where the proprietor has provided a much better overview of #Ripened than I was able to come up with here. That blog is the one you should be reading instead of this one, and I really mean that.  It's the place where you will really find out why the book is so important. Here's the Link:

                      Book of Mormon Perspectives: A Blood-Stained Nation

The second link will send you to a video of a presentation that Amberli Peterson, author of #Ripened, gave last month on the date her book was launched.  In this clip Amberli gives a fascinating overview of the contents of her book in a way that is much, much more informative than I was able to provide in my brief summary above, along with a description of the journey that brought her to this day.  

Okay, Time In!
Still with me? Good. Back to my wandering digression:

I was privileged to be able to read the manuscript of Amberli Petersos's book a month ahead of publication and I was so overwhelmed by its contents that I have spent the past few weeks scouring the writings and speeches of Joseph Smith in order to learn how often he himself referred to the fledgling members of the church as saints. Guess what I found in those sources? When Joseph referred to the members in his sermons he rarely referred to them as saints, but rather tended to refer to them as "this people." On those few times when he referred to "the saints" it was not because he believed the members had attained anything approaching sainthood, but rather he spoke in the context of encouraging "this people" on how to aspire to become saints. Newly converted members did not automatically become sanctified and made holy simply by dint of joining the church and moving to Missouri.

Sanctification was a process that necessitated direct involvement by God. There were particular requirements that individuals would have to meet before "this people" found themselves worthy to become what Joseph referred to as "saints in Zion." He taught that there would indeed be a gathering place for the saints, but not until a sufficient number of them had proven worthy to be sanctified and made holy so they were eventually able to gather.

When referencing "the saints," I noticed that Joseph usually spoke in the future tense, not so much in the status of where the people presently abided. "The saints should be a select people," he declared, "separate from all the evils of the world; choice, virtuous, and holy." He further said that the Lord "was going to make of the Church of Jesus Christ a kingdom of Priests, a holy people, a chosen generation, as in Enoch's day, having all the gifts as illustrated to the Church in Paul's epistles and teachings to the churches in his day." In this sermon and others, it is clear that God had not yet accomplished that task with this particular people.(History of the Church 4:570).

By contrast, the prophet Joseph openly acknowledged that mere membership in the church does not make a person a saint. Said he, "I shall speak with authority of the Priesthood in the name of the Lord God...Notwithstanding this congregation profess to be Saints, yet I stand in the midst of all [kinds of] characters and classes of men...Yes, I am standing in the midst of all kinds of people...We have thieves among us, adulterers, liars, hypocrites...The Church must be cleansed, and I proclaim against all iniquity."(History of the Church 4:588)  

That rebuke was issued by the prophet on the 9th of April, 1942, a full twelve years since the church was founded. Does that sound to you as though the members had yet been sanctified and made holy? Joseph had two more years to live before he was violently assassinated and there is nothing to be found in our history that would indicate that the people who called themselves "saints" had ever lived up to the title. The list of requirements that would have had to be met in order for the members to be made holy centers mostly around selflessness and unconditional love toward others, qualities that existed in some of the members -Joseph comes to mind, as well as Emma and Joseph's brother Hyrum and a few others. From my reading of Mormon history there does not seem to have been many who deserved to be called saints. And, I might add, within the LDS church today there seem to be even fewer still.

In December of 1959 I found myself entered onto the rolls of the church at eight years old never having experiencing sanctification so far as I can recall.  And yet I was constantly assured that I was an actual, bona fide saint of the latter days, deserving to be recognized as such. More than half a century later I'm beginning to suspect I ain't no saint.

So let's think about how close the average member of the church is to truly being sanctified today.  Well, it would appear from Joseph's teachings that if it happened to you, you would know it, as Christ Himself would have done the honors face to face with you the way Joseph assures us took place with actual saints in the past. Joseph often named Enoch as a saint, as well as "Ezekiel, John, Saint Paul, and all the Saints who held communion with the general assembly and Church of the First Born." (History of the Church 3: 380-81) 

It was Brigham Young and others who later constantly -and incorrectly- referred to members of the church as saints.  In contrast, when Joseph referred to "the saints" it was to encourage the members to understand what was required of them before they could become saints.  A person can't just join the church and roll out of bed next morning all holy and sanctified. 

So Here's How It Happened
Let’s take a step back and look at how it came to be that members of the Restored Church took to calling themselves “latter-day Saints” when the vast majority of them had never actually earned the label.

As far back as the days of Mosiah we learn that believers were collectively known as the Church of God, or alternately, the Church of Christ. (Alma 46:15) Then centuries later when Jesus appeared among the surviving Nephites, those in the land of Nephi who were baptized in the name of Jesus were again called the Church of Christ (2 Nephi 26:21). Nowhere in the narrative are any of these members of Christ's church referred to as saints.

It is clear that Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery picked up on the name of the church as given in the Book of Mormon, because in their subsequent writings they refer to themselves as belonging to the Church of Christ, even before the church was formally organized in 1830 (which, by the way, was completely appropriate; a formal autonym was not required for one to identify as belonging to the Lord).

A year previously, in June of 1829, Oliver Cowdery was drawing up articles for the incipient church based on what was written in the Book of Mormon and according to instructions he personally received via the revelation in D&C 18.  It was from what we know today as 3rd Nephi 26:21 that Oliver obviously took the cue for the name of the 19th century iteration of Christ’s church that he and Joseph were in the process of forming, i.e. "The Church of Christ.” Indeed, when the church was formally organized on April 6, 1830, the Lord acknowledged the name in a revelation to Oliver Cowdery “that thou mightest be an Elder unto this Church of Christ bearing my name.” (D&C 21)

There was a bit of a problem with that name, however. There already existed other denominations in America that went by the name Church of Christ, and no really good way for the restorationists to distinguish themselves from those protestant sects. So at an 1834 meeting of the Elders of the church in Kirtland, Sidney Rigdon proposed that the name of the church be henceforth known as “The Church of the Latter-day Saints.” That motion was formally adopted by those in attendance.

Sidney Rigdon was keen on referring to followers of Christ as “saints” because he had been a prominent preacher in the Campbellite movement, which was a group of frontier religionists looking to find an existing church that was patterned after that of the early Christians in the century following Christ’s ascension. Rigdon was attracted to Joseph Smith’s fledgling religious society because this one seemed to fit the bill. Rigdon’s proposal for changing the name to Church of the Latter Day Saints made sense to his fellow Elders in the Restored church of Christ because it would distinguish the modern latter day saints from the previous saints -those being the earliest Christians who lived prior to Christianity being co-opted by the medieval Catholic church.

There never were any revelations showing that God approved of the name change promoted by Rigdon which eliminated any reference to the Lord Himself. Had Jesus not already asked the Nephites, “how be it my church save it be called in my name?” Rigdon did not seem to have considered that question.

It should be noted that not every member of the church approved of the name change, either; in fact many ignored it, continuing to refer to themselves as belonging to the Church of Christ or the Church of God. Decades later, David Whitmer wrote, “we obeyed His commandment, and called it the CHURCH OF CHRIST until 1834 when, through the influence of Sydney Rigdon, the name of the church was changed to ‘the church of the latter day saints,’ dropping out the name of Christ entirely, that name which we were strictly commanded to call the church by, and which Christ by His own lips makes so plain.” (David Whitmer, An Address To All Believers In Christ, Richmond, Mo. 1887, pg 73)

Eventually, in April 1838, four years after Sydney Rigdon's genius idea for a name change, Joseph was told on April 26th, 1838 in Far West Missouri, “For thus shall my Church be called in the last days, even the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.” (D&C 115:4) And so the matter was settled. In more recent times the Corporation of the President added a hyphen between the words “latter” and “day” so they could copyright the name.

So, you might ask, why did God seem to acquiesce to that tag at the end that reads "of latter day saints?"  Well, I think he didn't really care.   Our God seems willing to allow his people to make their own choices and in this case as long as the first part of the name of the church included the name of the being we worship, why should the rest of it matter?  The modern LDS church is free to call themselves whatever they want, and that includes going by the longest and most awkward name of a church in all of Christendom. At any rate, Oliver Cowdery seems to have understood that "saint" could describe either a heavenly being of any description (such as perhaps an unborn child?) or be used as a helpful appendage to the name of the church of Christ when he wrote that the name was “meant to represent the people of God, either those immediately dwelling with Him in glory, or those on earth walking according to His commandments.” (“Saints–Again,” The Evening and Morning Star, June 1834, [emphasis mine].)

In the handful of revelations in which the Lord refers to the saints, those revelations don't strike me as an affirmation, but rather a subjunctive.  In other words, "sainthood" was a possibility, not an established fact, much like the way the oft quoted -and ever misunderstood- subjunctive clause in D&C 1:30 wherein the Lord is thought by some to have declared the LDS  church to be "the only true and living church on the face of the earth," a false teaching that was put to bed six years ago by McKay Platt on this very forum. 

In the end I agree with the author of #Ripened: all babies are quite obviously sanctified before they are sent down here to join us. So although not all saints are babies, all babies do arrive here as saints:
"There is no question whether they can be considered 'sanctified, holy, or godly.' Indeed, it is the very reason Jesus said we must become as little children. He does not say we should merely become like a child, but as a little child. A little child is in the purest, most holy state imaginable. When you hold a tiny baby in your arms, you know you are holding a being who is pure, freshly arrived from heaven, a brand-new human being so completely lacking in guile that it cannot even fathom what guile is. You are looking into the eyes of a creature that is as near to an angel as possible. Indeed, you are looking into the eyes of a saint.

"When Noah Webster defined the word in 1828, he wasn’t just pulling the meaning out of a hat. He understood the etymology, which unfortunately too few latter-day saints do. The first century saints (from the Latin sanctus) understood it to mean that by covenanting to follow Christ, they were sanctified by His blood, made holy, more perfect; or at least purified to the degree possible for a person constantly subject to sin.

"Absent our being sanctified (made holy) by the Lord, which He can do if we are prepared to let Him; the appelation 'saint' is otherwise suited to describe a person who has not yet completely arrived on this earth; one who is in a perfect state from the beginning; one who has been sent from heaven and is still in the process of being formed; one not yet tainted by sin. An unborn child."

These days when I read the Book of Mormon, my translation of choice is the one intended to go out to the Jews, the version that goes by the title The Stick of Joseph In The Hand of Ephraim.  For those unfamiliar with this fairly recent translation, it is an English translation that has been methodically prepared by Messianic Jewish scholars so that, wherever possible, the text retains appropriate Hebraisms in place of many of the English words that gentile Americans were familiar with in the 1830 English edition but that would have been unfamiliar to Jews. I favor this "Jewish translation" for two reasons: first, my family is descended from both Judah and Ephraim, and I have long had an affinity for Judaica;
and secondly, I just like to think the Hebrew words are a bit closer to what the Nephites would have used in scripture than the later English words which have been handed down from the King James tradition.  I also like this translation because it eschews Jacobian language such as "cometh," "receiveth," "sayeth," and so on which I have always found annoying because pronouncing words like that aloud makes me feel like I'm reading in the voice of Daffy Duck.

We don't know what the Nephite word was that Joseph Smith saw when he was translating the plates that meant "to sanctify or make holy," but the Hebrew equivalent would have been k'doshim which translates into English as "made holy."  When I'm reading The Stick of Joseph I find k'doshim a more satisfying word than saint, which comes to us from the Latin sanctus (sanctified) and the Greek hagios (set apart, holy). Whatever Nephite word Joseph saw on the plates that Mormon had used to denote innocent unborn children, the closest English word that came to Joseph's mind was saint, which in the Hebrew would have been K'doshim. I think most etymologists might agree that saint is the perfect word in English to denote a sacred, holy, unborn innocent child. 

Knowing what I know now, I have to admit to being embarassed for describing myself as a saint all these years, whether latter-day or otherwise.  Strictly speaking, except for those who have actually been sanctified, these days I feel that word should really only apply to the true holy ones: angels, newborns, and yet-to-be-borns. 

At the same time, though, weak as we are, becoming a saint remains something we should all aspire to, since the blood of Christ does have the power to sanctify us if we’ll ever get serious enough to allow it to. 



Connie Waterman said...

Rock you have always been a wonderful teacher. Thank you for your patience in teaching me always. You really hit this one out of the ballpark.❤

Steven Retz said...

1 Nephi 14:12 And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were few, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters; nevertheless, I beheld that the church of the Lamb, who were the saints of God, were also upon all the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small, because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw.

1 Nephi 14:14 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the power of the Lamb of God, that it descended upon the saints of the church of the Lamb, and upon the covenant people of the Lord, who were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and they were armed with righteousness and with the power of God in great glory.

2 Nephi 9:18 But, behold, the righteous, the saints of the Holy One of Israel, they who have believed in the Holy One of Israel, they who have endured the crosses of the world, and despised the shame of it, they shall inherit the kingdom of God, which was prepared for them from the foundation of the world, and their joy shall be full forever.

Enos 3 Behold, I went to hunt beasts in the forests; and the words which I had often heard my father speak concerning eternal life, and the joy of the saints, sunk deep into my heart.

Mosiah 3:19 For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.

3 Nephi 23:11 And Jesus said unto them: How be it that ye have not written this thing, that many saints did arise and appear unto many and did minister unto them?

Mormon 8:23 Search the prophecies of Isaiah. Behold, I cannot write them. Yea, behold I say unto you, that those saints who have gone before me, who have possessed this land, shall cry, yea, even from the dust will they cry unto the Lord; and as the Lord liveth he will remember the covenant which he hath made with them.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Hi Steven, thanks for weighing in. When you read Amberli's book you'll see some of those verses discussed. I recall in particular her discussion of King Benjamin's words to the people. You noticed of course that even though he was speaking to the people who had been converted to Christ, he did not address them as saints but was instead talking about the importance of becoming a saint and what those who wish to be sanctified must do.

My argument, of course, is that being a believer is just the first step. We'll have to do more than simply "attend our meetings" in order to qualify for sainthood. We have to make some definitive changes. And of course I don't have to tell you that membership in "The Church of the Lamb of God" is a whole 'nother thing.

Another of the things I appreciated about Amberli's book is, as you cite above, Jesus asking (in 3 Nephi 23:11) why the words of Samuel had not been recorded where he prophecied of the Saints who will arise among the people at the time of the coming of the Lord. It's clear that amazing thing had occurred in front of the very people he was talking to now, and yet the words of the prophet who predicted it had been left out of the record. That must have been something for the surviving Nephites to experience. I wish more had been written about their reactions.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Just an addendum to my comments for Steven Retz: I don't think there's any question that the Church of the Lamb of God is where we would find saints. What I was writing about was the irony of saints NOT found in the church with "saints" in its name, but instead found in a church that requires a bit more from its members than using a trademarked name.

Jim Chase said...

Rock, I hesitate to put this link up but it fits in to the blood of children being a source of power to these Gadiatons. This whole testimony of Kristy Allan will shock most readers but if you start at the 46 minute mark she tells of a story that happened to her sisters at the Salt Lake temple that goes along with your post. A person will have to except that these Gadiatons are in the mist of the hierarchy of the cooperate church if they go down the rabbit hole deep enough.

I didn't believe this story the first time I heard it because it seems so unbelievable but I have since excepted it as true in my own heart because of similar stories told by other MK-ultra victims, namely Kathy O'Brian and JR Sweet. JR grew up in a Mormon family and the stories he tells on his web site are also hard to believe and will blow you away. I communicated with J.R. by email and asked him a few question because his stories are so far out there. He responded and told me he didn't care if I believed him or not and said his stories were true regardless of how unbelievable they seemed.

I ordered the book and hope it opens my mind to new insights.

Jim Chase

Connie Waterman said...


I really want to thank you for your comment and video link. This subject is deeply troubling and truly makes me feel sick inside. That wasn't the first time I have heard the testimony of one who was so damaged by those who claim to speak for and love the Lord. I have often wondered who I was actually swearing to, while making those blood oaths in the Temple. The Lord told us to never swear by anything in Heaven or earth. Our communication is only to be "yea,or nay." I have known people in Utah who not only had their lives ruined by S.R.A., but witnessed true horrors that no one should ever see, especially children!

I believe that Amberli's book is spot on, but these children who are forced to have babies that are never recorded, that are then murdered by sacrifice should also be counted as secret murders too. I hope that I haven't upset anyone here, but this too has gone on since the beginning. It's all so horrifying to me and it should be to every person on earth that loves the Lord.

Dave P. said...

I'm sadly no longer surprised when hearing stories similar to ones Jim linked. The harsh reality is, "No one could possibly be that evil," is a big fat lie. Yes, there are people who are just that evil AND WORSE!

Eric Kuntz said...

Yes, and some of those evil people run LDS inc.

Mountain Mud said...

Hi Rock-

Thank you for this, it is fascinating. I have ordered her book and look forward to reading it. I watched the video of the presentation she gave and one of the things she mentions is that the reason the Nephites were decimated when Christ was crucified but life went on as normal for the Romans and Jews was because the Nephites were committing these secret murders. I think it is safe to say we do not know how prevalent secret murders were among the Nephites, only that they were happening (maybe the book will prove me wrong on this) but abortion was common among the Romans during this time period as well. Does the book go into more detail why both groups of people can be doing the same thing but one is wiped out and the other more or less untouched?

HenrikMetz said...

Abortion must be considered as child sacrifice. I came to that conclusion myself just lately, considering the matter. It was the great sin of the neighouring tribes of Israel, for which the Lord warned the people. Now this practice is rampant throughout the whole world (though in some countries it is prohibited). I guess many people don't even realize the gravity of it.
May God have mercy and forgive where possible.

Robin Hood said...

Interesting post. I have the book, but didn't get the same out of it as you clearly did. I think you make a small error in your reasoning right at the outset, which has a disproportionate influence on your mindset regarding definition of "saint". To be fair, the author does the same. You quote Websters dictionary entry for "saint" but then immediately add your own definition "innocent". Webster does not use that word, or even a word which means it. Now, babies unborn or otherwise are clearly innocent, but Saints are not. Sanctified doesn't mean innocent. Saints clearly doesn't refer to babies, especially as the BoM refers to "Saints in captivity". Again, clearly not referring to babies.
I think the secret murders could well be referring to abortion or even infanticide, but interjecting the word "innocent" to make "saint" mean something it doesn't is unhelpful.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

I have to disagree with you on this, Robin Hood. OF COURSE when one is sanctified it means made "innocent." When an adult is sanctified, or made holy by the blood of Christ, he is made to become like a little child, he becomes a saint, and therefore innocent. You say Webster didn't use the word innocent to describe a Saint, but surely we can't expect Webster to use every possible sysnonym in his definition; Certainly becoming like a child in the sense that one no longer exhibits guile would qualify.

In fact, when I used the word innocent as a quality found in a saint, what I had in mind was a being "without guile" which I would hope would be a quality present in one who has been sanctified. To test my hypothesis I just pulled down my Oxford Thesaurus from the shelf and looked up "Guileless" and sure enough, "innocent" was among the synonyms. The example sentence provided was "Paul's questioning had the quileless innocence of a child."

I would guess some people today tend to equate "innocence" with lack of sexual experience, and of course one's virginity is something one can never get back, but I would submit that one can indeed become innocent like a little child while still having been married for decades. I don't think that kind of innocence is what is referred to when one is made to become innocent like a little child.

I suggest one can be lacking in guile like a little child while still having had more ordinary life experiences than most little children have known. It's all in the QUALITY of one's converted character, and I submit that sanctification is a miraculous experience similar to obtaining the baptism of fire and/or especially the Second Comforter (an example I referred to in my piece when linking to Joseph's words at History of the Church 3 380-81) It's an experience that is so miraculous as to be ineffable, and yes, one can -and should-expect to revert to a state of innocence when one is sanctified by Christ. As Amberli wrote, not all Saints are little children, but certainly all little children are saints.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Mountain Mud,
In answer to your question I would assume it was because the Nephites knew better and had been God's people that they were without excuse. But the book does cover this more fully.

Indeed, Amberli demonstrates in the book that abortion IS child sacrifice, and how the blood of massive numbers of innocents is necessary in order for Satan to retain his power. Such sacrifices are more "meaningful" (for lack of a better word) because the children are voluntarily given up by the mothers.

Amberli Peterson said...

Robin Hood,
In the book, I was careful to point out that the term "saints" in The Book of Mormon does not exclusively refer to babies. The case I make, instead, is that according to Webster's 1828 edition, babies qualify as "saints." Put simply, not all saints are babies, but all babies can be considered saints. Taken together with the words of Jesus Christ in 3 Nephi 9, where he declares that "saints" were being killed on a massive scale via "secret murder," it is pretty clear that, while that title (saints) could refer to more than babies, the most plausible explanation for the shedding of the "blood of the saints" on that level (that it would invoke the wrath of God) is abortion (aka secret murder). Context clues such as those found in the words of Jesus in 3 Nephi 9 and 10 are essential to deciphering the meaning of some of these words and phrases.

Additionally, when all the above is considered in the context of the prophecies by Nephi and Moroni in which they both indict the modern-day Gentiles for shedding "the blood of the saints" on a scale so massive that it will bring down the sword of vengeance upon them, the most plausible explanation as to how all these "saints" are being killed in this country is through abortion (at roughly 3500 per day.) Therefore, it is crucial to see there are multiple strands carefully weaved together by the writers of The Book of Mormon. And each strand is interdependent upon the others for the bigger picture to emerge and come into focus.

Amberli Peterson said...

Mountain Mud,

Thank you for your comments and interest in the book. You ask a good question about why several groups of people "can be doing the same thing [abortion], but one is wiped out and the other more or less untouched?" The truth is when it comes to the effects of a nation/people practicing abortion, they never remain "untouched." Sooner or later, destruction comes to them. A great video was made about this that documents the disastrous effects abortion has on nations and peoples throughout history and how, ultimately, they were destroyed for it. The title of the video is "The Abortion Matrix," and it can be purchased at It is nearly three hours long and is highly instructive.

For the purpose and premise of my book, I chose to focus on the comparison between the Lamanites (not destroyed) and the Nephites (who were) and the reasons for that, which Jesus Christ spelled out in 3 Nephi 9 and 10. Additionally, in the prologue, I pose the question about why Jesus Christ, as His first order of business after "yielding up the ghost," destroys most of the Nephites and their lands instead of avenging the innocent blood shed in Jerusalem. That is not to say that the Romans did not practice abortion because they very much did. However, the Romans that occupied Jerusalem (34 AD) were mainly military personnel there to uphold and support Roman rule and interests in Israel. Therefore, it is not likely that they (soldiers, etc.) were engaged in the practice of abortion on a large scale (if at all) while living in Israel as military personnel. At least nothing in my research seems to indicate that they were.

And, lastly, when it comes to the Nephites living in a promised land that is subject to a divine covenant that Father Lehi elucidated in 1 Nephi (and elsewhere) along with the conditions God set forth regarding said covenant, the Nephites violated it when they formed secret combinations and then joined the Gadiantons in their secret murders - which set them up to be destroyed. That was my primary focus for the book. Discussing other nations and the consequences they were dealt for their practice of abortion was outside the scope of my book but makes for a fascinating study nonetheless as it demonstrates that God ultimately destroys (sooner or later) all those nations and peoples who shed the innocent blood of His most precious and holy ones. If you are interested in knowing more about that, I highly recommend The Abortion Matrix presentation.

Robin Hood said...

I'm sorry Rock, but I can't let that go. Sanctified is not synonymous with innocent, and there is no scriptural justification for claiming otherwise. The sanctified are forgiven, cleansed, blessed and so on, but that is not the same as innocent. An innocent person does not need forgiveness. Once forgiven, they are not innocent, they're redeemed. Big difference.
I think the author may well have a point about abortion, but the "blood of the Saints" means what it says... the blood of those who have been forgiven, cleansed and redeemed i.e. the sanctified. Babies do not require these things as they have nothing to forgiven of, cleansed for, or redeemed from. They therefore cannot be described as Saints.

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Your book sounds very interesting and I will order off Amazon for my Kindle.
In the BOM Jacob said:
3:5 Behold, the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins, are more righteous than you; for they have not forgotten the commandment of the Lord, which was given unto our father—that they should have save it were one wife, and concubines they should have none, and there should not be whoredoms committed among them.

6 And now, this commandment they observe to keep; wherefore, because of this observance, in keeping this commandment, the Lord God will not destroy them, but will be merciful unto them; and one day they shall become a blessed people.

7 Behold, their husbands love their wives, and their wives love their husbands; and their husbands and their wives love their children; and their unbelief and their hatred towards you is because of the iniquity of their fathers; wherefore, how much better are you than they, in the sight of your great Creator?

As I read this the fact that the Lamanites didn't engage in polygamy was what saved them. Maybe they didn't abort their babies either.

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Alan Rock Waterman said...

Robin Hood, I think we're nitpicking here. Perhaps it would be helpful if you interpreted my use of the word "innocent" as "in a state of innocence." An adult person who has been sanctified, I would submit, is in a state of innocence as though he had never committed sin. Has he had earthly experiences, some of them negative and of his own doing? Certainly, but upon sanctification it is as though his unholy person has been entirely erased.

As Noah Webster defined "sanctified," it means "MADE holy, set apart..." I have no doubt that prior to being sent to earth, the spirits of all babies are in some way "sanctified" by God, which would certainly qualify them to be considered "saints" no matter how we have come to misuse the term in modern times. Certainly they are innocent.

Here is How Amberli puts it in her book:

"[I]t can be said with certainty that all babies, born or unborn, are sanctified, holy, and pure and, thus, qualified to be labeled as saints. Especially considering their wholly innocent state, which makes them incapable of sinning until they reach the age of accountability. This is not to say that other groups or individuals do not qualify as saints under that definition, just that babies certainly do."

I'd rather not quibble over whether or not Joseph Smith translated the Nephite word for unborn babies as we would prefer. It seems to me that his use of the word "saints" as it was understood in his day hits the nail on the head. I can't think of a more suitable word available in that day that would properly encompass the horror of the victims of unborn children on a massive scale. When the Book of Mormon was published, no one in America could have foretold what we are seeing today, and therefore the words "innocents" and "saints" seem synonymous enough to suit me. Remember, that's ME drawing the comparison, not the translator.

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