Sunday, May 9, 2021

The Brain God Gave You


Previously: The Book of Abraham Controversy Finally Laid to Rest

“I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.” -Galileo Galilei

One of the more encouraging signs I see lately is the growing number of members of the church who are refusing to blindly follow church leaders who are teaching contrary to the will of God. 

I particularly have in mind here apostle Dale Renlund's announcement in December that "wearing a face covering is a sign of Christlike love for our brothers and sisters."

You'll pardon me for wondering how he thinks that's supposed to work.  Before he was selected to be an apostle, Renlund's day job was as a cardiologist. I assume he used to perform heart surgery in that capacity, and I expect he has probably worn face masks during those operations. Is he extrapolating the wearing of a protective mask while performing an operation as somehow comparable to preventing the spread of infection to random people outside the operating room?  Or is he simply suggesting that when we are seen wearing face masks, our brothers and sisters will somehow get the message that we care about them? 

It makes more sense if we're wearing them as mere symbols, because there are no scientific studies that show face masks are effective in preventing the spread of infection. Studies have shown that, outside healthcare facilities, face masks are are essentially useless in stopping the spread of infections. And they do very little good inside those facilities as well.  Since Renlund is a cardiologist, one would expect him to be up to speed on the science in this area.  So, what would make Renlund decide to put on the dumb guy hat and demonstrate to the whole world that he doesn't understand how science works?

To the scientists who have actually run studies on this stuff, Renlund's pronouncement borders on the ridiculous.  Here is what the New England Journal of Medicine had to say:

"We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection." -Universal Masking in Hospitals in the Covid-19 Era, New England Journal of Medicine May 21, 2020

That study was compiled by five medical professionals who hold multiple degrees, and it contains 92 supporting citations which will direct the reader to actual research and scientific studies to support their thesis. Dale Renlund would be aware that the New England Journal of Medicine is one of the world's most prestigious medical journals.  Still, since he is now retired from medicine I suppose he can be excused for not keeping up with the latest science. But I don't think the Lord will look favorably on him for invoking His name to promote superstition in the name of religion. 

And that's what the science concludes: that the wearing of face masks to ward off disease represents the triumph of superstition over science. There's is no other way to look at it.

That NEJM report was written out of concerns for hospital personnel -notably nurses and support staff- who were concerned about contracting COVID-19, given the hysteria promoted in the early weeks last year by the news media, which, you'll recall, greatly exaggerated the dangers of the virus. (It was going to spread and multiply until it killed pretty much everyone, in case you've forgotten.)

While it's true the virus poses some risk to hospital personnel, it's not likely to be fatal as previously believed.  And it won't be a problem to everyone on staff even if directly exposed, and there's almost no risk of healthy persons who do not work in a medical facility being exposed and winding up on an intubator (remember those?)  As the report clarifies, significant exposure to COVID-19 is defined as "face to face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (some say 10 to 30 minutes.) [Emphasis mine.]

Here's the key takeaway for those who do not spend time inside a medical facility:

"The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic."

Remember how this report laid out the truth in its second paragraph? "We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection." The scientific evidence on this topic has never changed, regardless of what you have been told by politicians, news media, or religious leaders.  You should especially question the bureacrats who walk around with near-meaningless titles like "Public Health Official" because they are bought-and-paid-for shills of the political class and they never cite the science they pretend to rely on when telling you what you have to do.

When did you see Dr. Tony Fauci cite a research study when doling out more of his unsupported opinions on why you can't have a life but he can do whatever he wants?   Well, it did happen once that I know of.  The one and only time I ever saw Fauci's name on a bona fide research paper was in the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine itself, where he was one of three MDs who correctly predicted that the expected pandemic would turn out to be little different than a severe flu the likes of which  Americans experienced once per decade back in the nineteen fifties and sixties:

"If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively." Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., H. Clifford Lane, M.D., and Robert R. Redfield, M.D.-Covid-19: Navigating the Uncharted; New England Journal of Medicine February 28. 2020. (Emphasis added.)

It's looking like the early prediction of Fauci and his colleagues may end up being closer to the truth by the time all this pans out, as the actual number of people who died "from" Covid (as opposed to the many thousands deceptively counted as having died "with" Covid) is a tiny, tiny percentage. The great majority of the larger number died from heart attacks, strokes, diabetes, pneumonia, and obesity, as well as various other illnesses it's not uncommon for people to die from. Those massive numbers of fatalities were only counted as Covid deaths because there was money to be made by inflating the numbers.

Fauci was much more conservative in his estimates that time he published in the NEJM than he is whenever he gets a TV camera pointed at him today.  He knew that in the Journal his conclusions would be peer reviewed. So if Fauci were to actually publish, in a peer-reviewed journal, some hyperbolic nonsense about how "it's likely" that if one mask is effective, then two or more "might be" even better when his peers are well aware of the studies that show masks are not effectve at all - I expect he would have been laughed out of the fraternity.  Fauci knows full well that when he was writing for his peers he had to carefully stick to the science, but when spouting off in front of the cameras (where no reporter ever seems to ask him what sources he's citing) he can get away with the most egregious exaggerations as long as he prefaces his comments with qualifiers such as "I think," or "maybe," or "it's likely," or "I guess it's possible."

You should know there are quite a number of medical professionals who have been critical of Fauci for engaging in self-promotion when he could have been making a difference.  But you never hear of them because Fauci has star power and all they have is years of experience treating patients.  Why should Fauci care when others less well-known than he is are critical of him? He's the highest paid employee in the entire U.S. government. That makes him too rich and too famous to care. 

Very Superstitious, Writing's On The Wall
Let's get back to that paper from the New England Journal of Medicine that tells us masks offer very little if no protection against an infection  If this is true, why do people buy into the fraud?  More to the point, why are hospital workers, who one would think would know better, so intent on wearing them even in situations when wearing them isn't even remotely necessary?

Well, the short answer is they've been scared by the non-stop media propaganda telling them how deadly and contagious this virus is.  When people are bombarded with a lie long enough and often enough, they not only come to believe the lie, but to embrace it as the truth. When people allow fear to overtake them they lose the capacity for critical thinking. They become more willing to go along with whatever they're told to do in order to "get back to normal."  In a word, they move from being scientific in their approach to becoming supersitious:

"First and foremost, a mask is a core component of the personal protective equipment (PPE) clinicians need when caring for symptomatic patients with respiratory viral infections, in conjunction with gown, gloves, and eye protection. Masking in this context is already part of routine operations for most hospitals. What is less clear is whether a mask offers any further protection in health care settings in which the wearer has no direct interactions with symptomatic patients..."

From the familiar tools of their profession, the authors eventually show the gradual slide from the scientific method into something decidedly less rational: 

"...It is also clear that masks serve symbolic roles. Masks are not only tools, they are also talismans that may help increase health care workers’ perceived sense of safety, well-being, and trust in their hospitals. Although such reactions may not be strictly logical, we are all subject to fear and anxiety, especially during times of crisis. One might argue that fear and anxiety are better countered with data and education than with a marginally beneficial mask...but it is difficult to get clinicians to hear this message in the heat of the current crisis." (New England Journal of Medicine, ibid)

Do you see how easy it is for otherwise rational beings to go from a scientific mindset to one ruled by the superstitious need for a talisman in order to feel safe?  A "talisman," according to the Oxford English Dictionary, is an object supposed to have occult or magic powers, something "worn as an amulet to avert evil...a thing that acts as a charm or achieves remarkable results." 

I can think of few things falsely assumed to "achieve remarkable results" than a silly piece of cloth worn across the face that is somehow thought to have sufficient magical powers that microscopic viruses will find it impossible to make their way between the comparatively large spaces between the threads.  "Talisman" is the right word to describe this insane superstition.  In an earlier age, a talisman would have been something the local witch doctor would advise you to wear around your neck in order to protect you from bad juju. You've heard the analogy: expecting viruses to be stopped by a cloth or paper mask is like putting up a chain link fence and hoping to keep out a swarm of mosquitoes. 

Face masks are not only useless, they are worse than useless, because the side pressing against your nose and mouth can't help but get more and more moist with bacteria and redirect more and more carbon dioxide back into your lungs at a time when what your lungs need more than anything is pure oxygen.  The only thing I can think of more dangerous than a grown person wearing a mask is when a grown person forces a child to wear a mask.  That does not just border on child abuse, that is child abuse.  If you're looking forward to having a child with some serious health issues down the road, just keep it up.

In order for you to catch the virus in the grocery store or anywhere else, you would have to come in close contact for at least 10 to 30 minutes with someone who was visibly exhibiting flu-like symptoms, and that person would have to cough or sneeze directly into your face, in which case even if you were wearing a mask around your nose and mouth, those juicy little droplets would spray directly into your eyes anyway.  So tell me again what good you thought wearing that mask around your mouth was gonna do if you aren't also wearing a scuba mask? 

I don't know about you, but in my entire lifetime not once has any person over the age of two ever coughed or sneezed directly in my face.  I now live in Northern Idaho, so things may be different in these parts from where you live, but ever since the "pandemic" became a thing, I have not seen any rampant outbreak of sneezing and coughing among the populace at any time when I was interacting out among the locals.  I did once sees a congressman on TV lower his mask like a four-year-old so he could sneeze directly into his hand, but that just demonstrates that he was too dumb to realize the entire purpose of wearing a mask in the first place is if you're going to sneeze, the mask is there to catch all that snot, you slobbering moron. 

But that's a politician.  We expect them to be stupid.  At any rate, there was never any danger of my contracting a virus from that guy because I keep myself more than six feet away from politicians at all times just as a matter of principle. 

But I digress. 

We were talking about Dale Renland, Weren't We?
Assuming Renland is sold on wearing face masks on account of he's used to wearing them when performing surgery, you may find this of interest: It turns out there is some debate among medical experts as to whether some members of a surgical team even need to wear masks at all, given that the only kind of mask that actually provides a modicum of protection, the N95, sometimes has the nasty side effect of making the surgeon less competent due to the restricted ability to breathe through those damn things.  This means the surgeon experiences restricted oxygen to the brain at the very time he needs to have all his wits and faculties at the ready. This is no time for the doctor to start feeling woozy.

So there is now a debate in some quarters over whether masks should be abandoned, or at least made optional by some team members during some operations. It remains to be seen whether surgeons themselves will ever decide to give them up, but already some anasthesiologists were the first to opt out:

"When introduced a century ago, the purpose of the surgical facemask was to provide protection for the patient from surgical wound infections. But is there evidence that face masks prevent wound infections? A recent review concluded that it is not clear whether face masks prevent surgical wound infections, and the scientific evidence for this practice is weak and insufficient.  Questioning the efficacy of surgical face masks, an established routine in operating rooms worldwide, is clearly controversial given the tradition of the practice. Recognizing the lack of sound scientific evidence, we have changed facemask routines in several units at the Karolinska University Hospital." (Is Routine Use of a Face Mask Necessary in the Operating Room?  Anesthesiology December 2010, Vol. 113, 1447.)

Of course that was a decade ago, before rationality was displaced by fear of the unknown.  It wouldn't surprise me to learn that these sensible polcies have now been reversed, not because the science has suddenly discovered that masks block tiny viruses, but because there has been a sudden change in the zeitgeist.

I think we can all agree that whether or not face masks should be required on members of surgical teams, at the very least protective screens should be mandatory in all hospital galleries after the tragic Junior Mint incident of 1993:

Does God Want You Following The Leaders?

I suppose some dyed-in-the wool Brethrenites in the church will point out that all this talk of "evidence" and the "scientific method" is moot because Brother Renlund made it clear that when he came up with that odd idea about a face covering demonstrating Christ-like love, he was careful to note he was not speaking as a cardiologist, but as an apostle.  Well, unfortunately that doesn't make it any better. A "clarification" like that only raises more difficult questions, such as why in the world would a guy with a position of authority blurt out such an absurd opinion? Didn't it occur to him to first seek the guidance of the Lord before invoking Christ's name in such a flippant manner?

Certainly Brother Renlund must be aware that many latter-day saints will immediately assume that because of his title and station in the Church, he must certainly be speaking on behalf of the Lord.  And sure enough, that's exactly what has happened. 

Although a growing number of members have, like me, read the science and concluded that they would prefer to follow the science rather than blindly follow politicians and media personalities, a separate faction is accusing these sincere believers of sinning against the Church.  And what, you may ask, is that sin? Refusing to follow the leaders.

I think these pro-mask zealots would be hard-pressed to find anything in scripture that would indicate God has declared that anyone should follow any church leader.  That's one of those false tradtions that keeps tripping Mormons up and eventually results in the Church having to frantically backpedal away from it.  The only instance I can find in scripture that one could possibly interpret as a suggestion that members should be  "following" a particular prophet is in D&C 21:4 where the Lord tells His congregation that they should "heed" the words Joseph speaks.  But look closer.  We are not to give heed to Josephs's words simply because Joseph holds the title of a prophet;  we are to heed the words Joseph speaks exactly as he receives them from the Lord. 

So it isn't Joseph's words we are to heed; it is the exact words he receives from the Lord. That is what we should be giving heed to.  We certainly are not to "follow" Joseph, but instead to heed the words he speaks which he received from the mouth of God Himself.  To "heed" means to "give consideration to."  It does not mean you are to blindly follow the speaker simply because the speaker has a title in front of his name.  Joseph himself, who we know was ordained of God because we have the documents to prove it, warned the saints to stop depending on him because that was causing them to be darkened in their minds. The last thing he wanted was followers.

Do you think it's possible for the members today to become darkened in their minds if they blindly comply with the words of a random church leader who did not even pretend to be speaking the words God put in his mouth?  I don't think Jesus would take kindly to that. To promote the wearing of face masks as some peculiar token of your devotion to Christ contradicts all reason, logic, and common sense.

It was this tradition of blindly following church leaders that has gotten us into so much trouble.  The Church is still trying to dig itself out of the mess promulgated by Brigham Young and every president who came after him that had us all promoting the idea that God had declared the African people to be grossly inferior to the rest of us.  It was just assumed by all of us -including me as a missionary in the mid-seventies- that God had given Brigham Young a revelation to that effect.  This tradition we have of "following the leaders" no matter what they say has forced the Church to rapidly backpedal away from statements such as this:

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind . . . Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 290).
We now know Brigham had received no revelation on this, that Brigham Young was a product of his time who carried with him the same unwarranted prejudices of a good many misguided Christians of his day.  Why haven't the members learned from that mistake? 

Yes, I am aware that the current president of the Church has made a show of taking the vaccine, and he did so as an example to all the members, obviously hoping they would do the same.  But I suppose it doesn't occur to some of these Brethrenites that those who have chosen not to take the vaccine have come to that decision after weighing the overwhelming evidence that is now coming forth exposing these experimental "vaccines" to have been untested and in many cases quite dangerous.  They have prayed for guidance as to whether they should take that jab. Why would they want to follow the president of the Church if the Lord tells them otherwise?

One of the strangest things I've seen lately is the comments under the Salt Lake Tribune stories where those who favor masks, lockdowns, and vaccines are convinced these think-for-themselves members have only taken their contrary stands because they chose to follow Donald Trump as their prophet.  But this shows a mountain of ignorance on the part of the pro-vaxxers.  The reality is most of those who have decided to forgo the needle have not made that choice because of any political leanings.  The guy you think these people worship is the same guy who irresponsibly fast-tracked those untested vaccines, and he has quite recently encouraged everyone to take the shot in spite of the overwhelming evidence that accepting that shot would be akin to playing Russian Roulette with one's health.

The people you criticize for "not following the prophet" are most decidedly not following Donald Trump in this matter.  If anything, they are angry at him. They are vigorously rejecting Trump's counsel, just as they are rejecting the counsel of men who put forth their own unsupportable opinions without consulting the science and without having importuned for a single revelation from the Lord in order to make certain they're not in the wrong. 

I'll have more to say about the so-called "vaccines" at a later date.  For now I wanted to focus on what the science says about the wearing of face masks in public, and why the Lord does not bless those who blindly obey politicians merely because there has been a concerted push by the those same politicians to get everyone on board. God gave you a brain because he expects you to use it, to seek the truth and not simply do what those in power tell you you must do. 

I follow the Lord and I follow science.  What I don't follow is people pushing pseudo-science and people pretending to speak for the Lord who have not been privy to His counsel.  The former is unscientific and the latter is blasphemy.

When you believe in things
That you don't understand,
Then you suffer,
Superstition ain't the way.
-Stevie Wonder


Related Posts:

How Not Wearing a Mask Will Eternally Damn You is a recent post written by my friend and fellow blogger over at Latter-Day Truth.  LD has an annoying habit of writing pieces I wish I had written, so don't miss this.

Not Quite The Same
Some people reading this might object to my position that the general authorities are not authorized to simply speak and have their words accepted as doctrine every time. This explains how the Lord works through revelations spoken in HIS words and His alone.

Muh Muh Muh My Corona Part One: Science Is Your friend
This is the first part of my classic study on the virus, the first of which was published on March 22nd of last year. The facts recorded then still hold up.  You can follow this post to get to all four.

I'll be talking about the dangers of the covid "vaccines" next time, along with a ranting screed about the dangers of The Brethren talking out of their butts and trying to pass their opinions off as the will of God.  In the meantime, if you have the stomach and the stamina for it, I'll leave you with this collection of horror stories that have accumulated in just the past few weeks.

As it happens, no sooner had I posted today's issue than Denver Snuffer also weighed in on the the odd way in which the covid vaccine is being promoted.  In this short piece Denver, who is an attorney,  reminds you that because the vaccine has been neither tested nor approved, if you take it and experience death or disability, the onus is on you. You cannot sue the manufacturer, the pharmacy, your doctor, or the government, even if they all assured you the vaccine was perfectly safe, because the law assumes you knew the dangers and took the risk anyway.  Read it HERE.


Connie Waterman said...

Rock, this is a fine blog post. I have known al lot of this for the most part, for some time now. It is SO tragic that really good people aren't using the brains that our God has given us! I feel so helpless to warn our fellow brother's and sister's all over the world! Thank you for warning as many souls as you can. Good job as usual Rock.

I feel I must recommend the link that talks about adverse events and deaths at the bottom of your blog post. I had to click on a few other links to get to what is actually in this so called vaccine. Anyone with milk,egg,latex,peanut or soy allergies will get hit hard by this vaccine and that is just the beginning! There are so many poisonous ingredients in this, many of which have been banned in Europe!! We are literally speaking of poisons! Why would they need to put glyphosate in this??! I highly suggest we ALL do our homework on this!

Ask yourselves, Why would religions from all over th world be pushing this vaccine?!! Time to take this to our God in serious prayer. Please!

Dave P. said...

"Americans won't believe anything until they see it on television." - Richard Nixon

Renlund and Nelson are two of the most dangerous people in the church. Doctors are already notorious enough for having god complexes, so just imagine how inflated their egos got even more after being called as corporate Apostles?

As for Nelson "receiving" the vaccine: It was just another photo op akin to many other "leaders" wherein one or more of the following is true: 1. The cap was still on the syringe. 2. The administering nurse's hand "just happened" to block the needle. 3. The syringe was empty. 4. If he was actually injected with something, it wasn't the non-vaccine.

A picture is worth a thousand words, but those thousand words are perfectly capable of also being a thousand lies.

Rhone said...

"Each of you, for himself or herself, by himself or herself, and on his or her own responsibility, must speak. It is a solemn and weighty responsibility and not lightly to be flung aside at the bullying of pulpit, press, government or politician. Each must decide for himself or herself alone what is right and what is wrong, which course is patriotic and which isn’t. You cannot shirk this and be a man, to decide it against your convictions is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor. It is traitorous both against yourself and your country.

Let men label you as they may, if you alone of all the nation decide one way, and that way be the right way by your convictions of the right, you have done your duty by yourself and by your country, hold up your head for you have nothing to be ashamed of.

It doesn’t matter what the press says. It doesn’t matter what the politicians or the mobs say. It doesn’t matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. Republics are founded on one principle above all else: The requirement that we stand up for what we believe in. no matter the odds or consequences.

When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move. Your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth and tell the whole world:

No, you move.”

~Mark Twain

Hear Hear Rock. The fact that celebrities, politicians, unelected bureaucrats, tech oligarchs, religious leaders, and other powerful figures in this world are all pushing this tells me that it's probably not a good idea. This is Satan's kingdom after all.

OpenMind said...

“Americans won’t believe anything until they see it on Tucker Carlson”

I updated the quote to fit the context of this post.

Gavin said...

Our ward came back for regular meetings two weeks ago. The mask "mandate" has been lifted for Arizona. We had been holding sacrament meeting in our home throughout the plandemic. We decided to go back, but we also decided we were not going to wear the masks, or our children. We were the only ones. Several people have talked to us and said we were "brave" and that they couldn't do it because of their calling, or their husband's calling or whatever. That's fine. Our family chooses courage in the face of the crowd.

My 13 year old son reported back that he was told by one of the teachers in his class that he would have to have a mask next week. That set my wife off, so she went back into the building to confront the issue. We set up a time to meet with the bishop. My wife said, "what's more important, having us here, or the mask rules, because the Curtis' will not be wearing masks." To his credit, our bishop said he would rather have us here, and that none of us should judge one another over this issue.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Dave P.,

Yeah I don't believe for a second that Nelson took the actual vaccine. A friend told me yesterday that if you look at all the photos of the GAs who appear to be taking the shot, the needle isn't in the skin. At best, they are probably being injected with saline, which is what most people in the know assume Bill Gates and other members of the ruling class did.

The GAs didn't get where they are by being stupid. At this point in time we have so much information about the literally thousands of adverse effects that anyone would be a fool to take the shot now.

Nevertheless, it would be interesting to see if any of the guys at the top of the LDS corporation get sick and die. That would tell us somebody actually didn't know better. I think they do.

Eric Kuntz said...

Any member that stays a member of the 'Church' after seeing how the 'Brethren' have handled the Covid-19 PSYOP deserves what is coming to them. The Brethren have been finally fully exposed for the tools they are of the secret cabal that runs the world, nothing more.  Your average LDS member who can't see this now is beyond gone, there is no hope for them.
8 And it shall come to pass that the Lord God shall commence his work among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, to bring about the restoration of his people upon the earth. 9 And with righteousness shall the Lord God judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth. And he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. 10 For the time speedily cometh that the Lord God shall cause a great division among the people, and the wicked will he destroy; and he will spare his people, yea, even if it so be that he must destroy the wicked by fire. (2 Nephi 30)

jstcommentary said...

I agree with Rock's post and his comment that Nelson did not get the actual vaccine. I am hoping GOD lets Nelson live until he is 111, so Mormons will finally see how idiotic their succession model for leadership is.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Rhone, that's a dynamite quote you found attributed to Mark Twain. I'm a bit of a Twain buff and had vaguely remembered seeing it years ago, so I did some hunting and was reminded that a good part of it was from Mark Twain's Letters From Earth.

Now here's the interesting part: Comics writer Michael J. Straczynski adapted and improved upon it putting it in Captain America's mouth in "Spiderman: Civil War." Sraczynski is responsible for adding the latter part including this knockout final line: "When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move. Your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth and tell the whole world: No, you move."

Apparently this Straczynski fellow has created some eminently quotable words. Thanks for bringing it to my attention; I may use it in a future post.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Kudos for standing your ground. It almost seems like the church is TRYING to turn away the faithful.

Keep in mind there is always room for believers in the Fellowship movement, which is now international and home to thousands of disaffected Mormons who have been made to feel unwelcome in the halls of the corporate Church. If you're tired of not feeling the spirit in church, there's a place you'll find it near you. To find a group near you just go to

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Eric Kuntz,

I find it very revealing that the corporate church is heavily invested in Pfizer, maker of just one of these so-called "vaccines." These things are designed to alter a person's DNA, which in my book means they're trying to mess with God's creations when they try to alter the very fabric of what makes a person who he is.

Over at, (I linked to one of his pieces at the end of my post), you can see a chart showing how much of the member's tithing money Nelson's corporation invested in the maker of these abominations. OF COURSE they want the members taking the poison. You'll find that information in a chart at this link:

Look for the link that reads "Click Here to Access My Ensign Peak Advisors Tracking Chart."

I'm sending you to the blog first because the author explains how to read the information on the chart. You'll find a LOT more of the Church's inappropriate spending in that link.

Gavin said...

Thanks Rock. That's good to know. We have discussed how long we are willing to stay and so far we are happy to just be a fly in their ointment. But I will check that out.

BTW, this is Gavin Curtis. I haven't been commenting on your FB lately because I'm half way through a 30-day FB ban. Apparently I'm too dumb to know how to put my name on these comments.

Dave P. said...

If any of the corporate higher-ups die, it will be one of the ones who didn't get the non-vaccine and the death will be declared as "COVID" in order to scare the members into submission for the non-vaccine.

It wouldn't be the first time the church utilized a "sacrificial lamb" to further an agenda. Of course, they don't all work out either. Hinckley's suicide was a failed gamble to get Mitt Romney elected.

gruden said...

I had the same thought about the Mormon leaders getting the shot, and if it's true they have crossed another line into evil in a very blatant way (withholding billions in tithes from helping the poor is certainly another milestone).

At the end of TPJS is Joseph's final (recorded) dream. That's something we should really pay attention to, it foretold the direction of the church.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Gavin, I didn't know you were facebook banned! Kinda wondered why I hadn't seen you comment on my page lately.

Why those commie bastards haven't kicked ME off yet is a mystery I can't explain.

Gavin said...

yeah, it's my 4th ban. I've had three days, three days, seven days, and now a month. It's making me realize I really don't need FB though, so that's good. I'm pretty sure once you are banned once you get put on some kind of list so now everything I say is scrutinized.

Wanna know what got me banned this time? someone posted an article about red states passing laws allowing people to drive through riotous mobs. I simply asked if the law allowed us to also back up to finish the job. Sarcasm anyone?

OpenMind said...

Sarcasm I’m sure!

Dave P. said...

Got a good chuckle out of that question, though I'd imagine that, legally, the answer is no, given you're more than likely to have escaped the condition that necessitated the situation to begin with.

But, yeah, FB is not needed. Even if you don't use it, it's still a tool of privacy invasion as I can attest with my sister blabbing to everyone about family affairs that aren't anyone else's business.

OpenMind said...

I got a good chuckle as well. I find murder pretty funny, especially when we are talking about people that aren’t really people amiright? It’s actually not even murder because they deserve it! Them getting so angry about a video of a guy literally being slowly murdered in broad daylight. They are so stupid to be mad about that. Don’t they know he deserved it?! They should really be mad that the trump god got his election stolen! Those idiots…I hate them (sarcasm)

Gavin said...

The answer is clearly no. You must use the least aggressive means to extricate yourself from the situation. It should be obvious to anyone with a working sense of humor that I would not personally back up on someone or advocate the same.

OpenMind said...


Eric Kuntz said...

You can now be 100% certain that COVID-19 is a complete psychological operation and nothing more because DS is really pushing it as legit over on his blog.

OpenMind said...

It’s ironic because your comment, along with many others on this blog, prove DS is calling it exactly how it is. He is right.

David P. said...

If the leaders of the LDS church got the jab with anything in the needle other than a real “vaccine” dosage, then what we have here is a planned deception from so called “prophets, seers, and revelators”. Deception and fraud are tools of the devil. There is poison in the needle that will kill our bodies and there is poison in the church that will kill our spirit.

Dave P. said...

Let us not forget that the church has plenty of stock in the pharmaceutical companies that are pushing this non-vaccine.

Eric Kuntz said...

Yeah but even if the LDS knew about the deception of their leaders , they wouldn't even care.

Remember Jeremiah 5:31...

"The prophets prophesy falsely, And the priests rule by their own power; And My people love to have it so. But what will you do in the end?"

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Eric Kuntz,
I don't know how you concluded that Denver is pushing the vaccine as legit. I re-read all four posts in the order in which they were written, and I see nothing of the sort. Rather, he has examined the controversy from two angles: first, as a lawyer he promotes the view that in time we will have more evidence concerning whether the vaccine is both safe and effective; and second, he urges his audience not to be led by emotions, and to not engage in anger and hatred, either toward those who have taken the shot or toward those who choose not to.

I'm not certain he's aware of the thousands of medical professionals who have already come forth with warnings against the vaccine; if he had I think he would be less ambivalent because if the vaccine is ineffective, that's one thing -no harm done. But according to these professionals it is so dangerous that anyone taking it is taking a huge risk, not only with their health but with their very lives.

I'll be talking on the phone with Denver about this soon, and I'll also be weighing in myself on the topic of vaccines in my next post, with plenty of links to the science warning of the clear dangers. It's my feeling that since this is an experimental drug that has not yet been given government approval, I would much rather err on the side of caution by NOT taking the shot, rather than taking the shot and sitting back to see if anything bad happens to me, since the professionals are saying there is no coming back from that decision. Seeing as at last count some 4,000 people have either experienced serious injury and/or death after receiving the shot (which only became available a few weeks ago!), I'm inclined to agree with the science rather than the politicians and the media talking heads who are frantically trying to get me to go along.

If ever there was a time for critical thinking, this is it.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Apropo of my previous comment, I've been surprised at the number of people I have heard from who are unaware that the covid "vaccines" have not been given government approval. This is because there was not sufficient time to test the drug, so they remain in the experimental stage. If you take the shot now, congratulations: you are part of the experiment, but you're not getting paid for taking chances with your health.

The government has made an "allowance" for experimental drugs "for emergency use" for those who are willing to assume the risks, but "allow" is not the same as "approved." Since the Covid injections have not yet been approved by the FDA, neither the government nor your employer can mandate that you accept the injection. In fact, a thousand attorneys and 10,000 medical experts have teamed up to provide legal assistance to persons pressured to accept the injection, so if your employer tells you that you must take the shot in order to keep your job, there are remedies at law. I would think a letter from an attorney warning them they could be sued would be sufficient to get them to back off.

This is what is driving the ruling class nuts: they cannot mandate that you get the shot because it has not gone through the proper testing necessary to get approval from the Federal Drug Administration.

Here is the applicable law concerning drugs "allowed" under the Emergency Use Act:,21%20U.S.%20Code%20%C2%A7%20360bbb%E2%80%933%20%2D%20Authorization%20for%20medical,products%20for%20use%20in%20emergencies

Eric Kuntz said...

Hi Rock,

I didn't say DS was pushing the vaccine as legit, I said that he is pushing COVID-19 as legit, meaning COVID-19 is a real medical condition that has come about because of natural causes. It's not. Like I said previously, COVID 19 is a psychological operation, a hoax , a fake news story, aka B.S.

I agree with the point in your article that the mask is a 'mind control device' nothing more.

Like Dave P. mentioned earlier "Americans won't believe anything until they see it on television." - Richard Nixon

COVID -19 is a fake news story. DS is pushing it as real.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Thanks for that clarification, Eric.

My position is that there may be a new strain of Coronavirus which has been named SarsCoV-2 which more and more experts believe very well escaped from the lab in Wuhan, China (it wasn't long ago that some were deriding this as a conspiracy theory, even though experts will tell you that it is quite commonplace for viruses to escape from the labs where they are being experimented on).

What is not likely -and would lead one easily to believe the whole thing is a hoax- is that this new strain of coronavirus is unusually dangerous. As the New England Journal of Medicine pointed out early on, this strain does not promise to be any worse than a severe seasonal flu of the type we seem to experience every decade or so.

As it happens, there are 7 betacoronaviruses floating we know about, and most people who get the swab test do test positive for ONE of those coronas, but not necessarily for SarsCov-2. Most people tested positive for one of the 6 others coronaviruses. For example, in Janurary I came down with a serious case of bronchitis for which my doctor prescribed Augmentin, an antibiotic, and prednisone, an anti-inflammatory corticosteroid that is best used sparingly. When the sickness dragged on, as it often does, I requested more prednisone, but due to the current hysteria he insisted I be tested for Covid-19 "in case there might be negative interactions with the prednisone".

Well, when you take the PCR test, EVERYTHING comes back as Covid on the document, by which they mean Sars. They don't tell you which particular coronavirus you might have in your system. I clearly had either the OC43 coronavirus or the HKU1, either of which is known to exacerbate pneumonia, bronchitis, or COPD. I simply did not exhibit any symptoms of SARS. After I was told I tested positive, I called around and was unable to get a specific answer to my question as to precisely WHICH coronavirus I tested positive for. No one seemed to know what I was talking about because these lab testers are completely unfamiliar with the science. Their job was to swab and send to the lab. The labe technicians were no more enlightended because they had not been taught there are different strains. After going round and round with lower level medical personnel I had to abandon my search for information. The personnel administering these tests honestly don't know anything about what they're looking at.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

To Eric Kuntz (Continued)

If you've had a common cold in the past few months, there will remain enough traces of that coronavirus in your DNA to cause you to read positive for corona, and they incorrectly assume you have THAT coronavirus, the "scary" one, the new SARS number 2. The system is looking for a way to inflate the numbers in order to instill fear in the populace, so they report every relatively benign coronavirus as though it is the big bad boogeyman SARS virus. Calling it Covid-19 is just a deceptive way of saying it's the COronaVIrus that appeared in two thousand and "19". And then they group all the coronaviruses together as if they are all the same.

So yes, all the talk at the beginning of this thing that promoted visions of millions of people with intubators down their throats turned out to be a hoax. The reaction was a hoax. The decision to count every death that took place in a hospital as resulting from covid was a hoax.

Judging from the hysteria you would think people never got the flu or caught the common cold before. What we're seeing is nothing to be alarmed about. People who are very sick and very elderly have ALWAYS died when contracting the flu or a bad cold. We've been taken for a royal ride on this one, and the amazing thing is that so many Americans bought into the fraud without ever questioning any of it. And they haven't paused for a minute to ask the right questions.

Too bad God promised to never flood the earth again because in my opinion we could use just one more quick deluge. Nothing major, just enough to wipe the dumb people off the planet long enough for the rest of us to get a breather.

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Eric Kuntz said...

'conspiracy theory' is a term brought into circulation by the CIA to keep the average 'normie' scared and dumbed down. 
It's used to silence critical thinking. "Oh that's just a "conspiracy theory!". 

When you develop the courage to step outside of 'group think' you will discover everything is in fact a 'conspiracy fact'.  

OpenMind said...

“Conspiracy fact”. This statement is probably what should be used as the relative “ten” on the lunacy scale to weigh against everything else.

And the word “normie” is the ultimate display of unadulterated ego manifesting itself in language. It’s one of the more anti-Christ things I can think of manifested into a singular made up word.

OpenMind said...

And if I had to write something that most accurately captures “group think”, I would copy your entire response Eric, verbatim. I wouldn’t change one word.

Gavin said...

shut up normie

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Have you ever considered changing your username? The one you're using doesn't seem to fit you.

1 said...

The only way I would ever believe anybody in "authority" took the experimental drugs called "vaccines" would be if I personally went to one of the factory production lines, removed a vial, filled a needle with it and then injected it into their arm myself. I trust nobody in power, ever. Power is abused by "all men" and most women.
I believe there is going to be a lot of death and misery brought on by these drugs. People are willingly and either naively or ignorantly allowing them to be injected into their bodies, when they were given a perfectly good and effective immune system by their Creator, which does the job of protecting them far better.
And there is Ivermectin, High dose Vitamin C, Hydroxychloroquine, NAC, L-Lysine, Nebulizing Hydrogen peroxide and other simple, cheap treatments to support their immune systems, if needed. Covid 19 or whatever it is, is not really the threat. The threat is the scum at the top using this as an excuse to control and make us fearful and stupid and easier to manipulate.
Never trust anyone in power to do the right thing.
Have never worn a mask and will never take their "vaccines".

lysander said...


OpenMind said...

“Conspiracy fact” is a precise synonym for “closed mind”. And I never used that term. So my username is fine.

Janeen said...

Oh the real life and lived stories I could tell about conspiracy facts that have nothing to do with having a closed mind.

OpenMind said...


I was not referring to the few things people hear about that actually are true. It is true there are some very bad things happening the world. The Book of Mormon prophets saw them all. All of what they saw are happening now. I was referring to the “conspiracy fact” mentality of simply believe everything one hears on something like Tucker Carlson (one example). That dude is batshit crazy and a truly evil dude. This political garbage is so far beyond out of hand at this point. The right talks about the left as “sheep” when someone like Tucker could say freakin anything and they would believe it. I mean holy sh#% Trump got those poor people to invade the capital?!?? That poor girl that died going through a broken window did the literally equivalent of jumping off a building because trump told her to. She had ZERO freedom left to think for herself. Both sides do it. I’m tired of those pretending only 1 side does it or that they are neutral. And yes Trump is wrapped up in all of it exactly as much as all of them. He is evil. This stuff about the vaccines is getting really out of hand. People are seriously on the brink of killing over it. The anger that poisons their minds is so much worse than whatever is in the vaccines. I don’t agree with Denver Snuffer on everything, but his post on the vaccine debate is the only sane one I’ve read anywhere that isn’t rooted in hate.

Eric Kuntz said...

Tucker Carlson...LOL

JR said...

The Salt Lake City church leaders gave been going left since President Benson passed away. The SLC church leaders are now left of center.
Pushing political BS instead of defending our freedoms and rights is the obvious tell.

MonicaGG said...

As usual you are spot on! This has nothing to do with health, it is about power and control and money and manipulation. They will answer in big ways for the propoganda and lies and use of power to get people to comply! They have sold out to big banks, big pharma, and big tech to speak of a few!
They make billions on their stock in all of the above named sectors! Shame in them and according to Doctrine and Covenants 121(the whole chapter)
But especially verse 37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man.