Saturday, April 11, 2020

Muh-Muh-Muh My Corona, Part Three - "And Should We Die?"

Previously: Muh-Muh-Muh My Corona, Part Two, "The Virus Is Real But The Test Is A Fraud"

"That which does not kill us makes us stronger"
-Fredrick Nietzsche

"Whatever doesn't kill you makes you weaker. And it will probably kill you the next time it comes around."
-Norm Macdonald  

Let's talk about death and dying, shall we?

After all, isn't it the fear of massive numbers of impending deaths that has resulted in Americans shutting off their brains while putting up no resistance to politicians shutting down their livelihoods?

Despite the fear-mongering and the posting of "official" death numbers, the actual number of deaths caused by COVID-19 remains unknown.  What we can gather from the statistics is that the actual number of deaths actually caused by COVID-19 is extraordinarily low, because the Center for Disease Control has admitted they were lying about those estimates, and the number of quarterly deaths caused by other means (old age being chief among them) remains pretty much the same.

Good ol' Doctor Birx also let the cat out of the bag this week when, in answer to a reporter's question, she admitted the numbers were routinely being fudged:
"So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown. 
"There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death."
Did you get that? It might be easier to understand what she is saying if you watch the video in the link provided above.  Notice she did not say "if someone dies from COVID-19", she said "if someone dies with COVID-19."  In other words, if a patient comes in with, say, a heart or kidney problem and it can also be said they tested positive for COVID-19, they're going to list COVID-19 as the cause of death. Even if the attending physician knows that was not the affliction that person died from.

Never mind that when someone dies from heart failure no one ever says they died with heart failure. They didn't die with heart failure, they died from heart failure.  They died from kidney failure. But suddenly the deal is that if you die with slightly detectable viral traces of any old benign viral shreds in your DNA (aside from that list of afflictions you arrived with that are known to be fatal such as heart failure, kidney failure, diabetes, asthma, or others) -you are going to be listed among those who died from COVID-19. Nothing you can do about it. What are you going to do, argue with the doctor? You can't, you're dead.

The Center for Disease Control is currently instructing hospitals to attribute patient deaths to COVID-19 even if they are not sure that was the cause, or if they are just assuming, or even if they still suspect the patient's underlying illness was the actual cause of death. No laboratory confirmation needed, just write "COVID-19" right in that little box on the form right there, Doc, and you're good. On to the next patient.

Here is that directive from the National Vital Statistics System:

NVSS COVID-19 Alert No. 2

In other words, if I were to go to the hospital as I did last month because I was having severe difficulty breathing, and if I died, the hospital would likely list the cause of my death as COVID-19.  My respiratory ailments could be listed under "Part II" on the form (assuming the doctor felt like going to that bother), which would only mean asthma woulda coulda maybe have been considered secondary. If at all. Because the only thing that matters to those overseeing this fraud is that it was the Coronavirus that killed me, and that's the end of that.

This is insidious. It means that the actual number of people who died from COVID-19 will never be known. There is no way you or I will ever be able to ascertain how many of those reported deaths attributed to COVID-19 were actually triggered by COVID-19.  The truth no longer matters, and science be damned.

But, you insist, clearly there will be regulations in place to help keep medical professionals honest, right?

On the contrary. Free money has a tendency to make the normally conscientious set aside their  integrity. Legislation was recently passed that would provide cash bonuses to every hospital in the country every time they treat a patient who (supposedly) has the coronavirus.  100 Billion dollars has been earmarked to, as the bill puts it, “reimburse … eligible health care providers for health care related expenses or lost revenues that are attributable to coronavirus.”

And this shouldn't surprise you: there are no control measures built into the bill that would require hospital administrators to prove a patient they got reimbursed for actual had the virus.

If that's not a recipe for a free-for-all looting frenzy, I don't know what is.

The little-known secret in the medical community is that the determination of Cause of Death has always been arbitrary enough before the CDC made it official policy that doctors should go ahead and lie outright. Here is Dr. Ann Bukacek:
"Few people know how much individual power and leeway is given to the physician, coroner, or medical examiner, signing the death certificate. How do I know this? I've been filling out death certificates for over 30 years. 
"More often than we want to admit, we don’t know with certainty the cause of death when we fill out death certificates. That is just life. We are doctors, not God. Autopsies are rarely performed and even when an autopsy is done the actual cause of death is not always clear. Physicians make their best guesstimate and fill out the form. Then that listed cause of death … is entered into a vital records data bank to use for statistical analysis, which then gives out inaccurate numbers, as you can imagine. Those inaccurate numbers then become accepted as factual information even though much of it is false.
"So even before we heard of COVID-19, death certificates were based on assumptions and educated guesses that go unquestioned. When it comes to COVID-19 there is the additional data skewer, that is –get this— there is no universal definition of COVID-19 death. The Centers for Disease Control, updated from yesterday, April 4th, still states that mortality, quote unquote, data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19. That’s from their website.
"Translation? The CDC counts both true COVID-19 cases and speculative guesses of COVID-19 the same. They call it death by COVID-19. They automatically overestimate the real death numbers, by their own admission. Prior to COVID-19, people were more likely to get an accurate cause of death written on their death certificate if they died in the hospital. Why more accurate when a patient dies in the hospital? Because hospital staff has physical examination findings labs, radiologic studies, et cetera, to make a good educated guess. It is estimated that 60 percent of people die in the hospital. But even [with] those in-hospital deaths, the cause of death is not always clear, especially in someone with multiple health conditions, each of which could cause the death.
You can watch Dr Bukacek explain further by clicking here.

I Ain't 'Fraid O' No Ghost 
The possibility of impending death is always present in our home, although that possibility has never given us cause to fear or reason to worry.  Ever since my wife Connie was diagnosed at age 27 with Avascular Necrosis and the many afflictions that followed in its wake (Ankylosing Spondylitis, Fibromyalgia, Neuralgia, Diabetes, assorted Heart Ailments, and that ever-present bugaboo, Arthritis), for the past 25 years I've expected that one morning I will probably wake up to find my wife no longer breathing. And guess what? I'm fine with that.

Connie will be fine with that, too, if one day she wakes up and finds me gone. Of course we would both prefer she goes first so I don't leave her with no one to take care of her. I think that's how it's going to happen. At 68, I'm eight years older than Connie, but her body is poised to give out sooner, so I'm not worried about being the one who leaves the planet first. The smart money says it's going to be her.

There is no official prognosis for Connie. She is considered a medical anomaly. When they replaced her right shoulder, a chunk of the bone was sent to Cedar's Sinai so the scientists there could study it, and we've been told someone wrote his doctoral thesis centered around Connie and her various maladies. That's how unusual this condition was at that time for a woman her age.  Avascular Necrosis was sometimes seen in deep sea divers who got "the bends," but rarely found in an otherwise healthy young female. It took the specialists a long time to properly diagnose Avascular Necrosis as Connie's problem, because they weren't looking for it. (A salient "tell" in a patient with avascular necrosis is that blood doesn't get properly carried to key locations such as hips and other joints, so sections of those bones tend to atrophy and die. Necrosis=death.)

When, back in the 1990s, I pressed the doctor who was most familiar with Connie's case to tell me how long he thought she might have to live, he finally replied with unusual candor, "I don't know. No one knows. But she'll probably wish she were dead long before she is."

He was definitely right about that. Still, neither of us is afraid of dying. Afraid of what, exactly? Afraid to leave behind these cumbersome prisons of pain and misery and return to a state of complete joy and infinite awareness? Gads, what a nightmare that would be!

I don't understand why anyone would panic at the thought of dying of COVID-19, especially when the statistics are still showing that the overwhelming majority of those who are dying of what are now being disingenuously referred to as "coronavirus related illnesses" continue to be, by an overwhelming majority, the aged and infirm who have as many as two or three underlying afflictions that would have done them in by this time anyway.

In other words, statistically we are looking at the same category of people who would be breathing their last at this stage in their lives whether tiny viral shreds were found in their DNA or not.  Yet by the frantic way some people are reacting, you would think dying is a highly unnatural act and something that can be prevented if only we would all just stay home and watch Netflix. The number of people said to be dying with coronavirus who are younger than me is so small as to be infinitesimal.

Time For A Reality Check
If you favor real statistics over padded numbers, there are few statisticians more competent in providing them for you than David Stockman, former Director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Reagan. Here is an excerpt from an article that appeared just this morning. It won't surprise you to learn he scoffs at the ridiculously high number of deaths predicted before the models were adjusted for reality:
What’s needed is isolation and protection of the elderly and already medically afflicted populations and an opening of the spigot for any and all therapeutics and palliatives which could mitigate the illnesses and minimize deaths among those who contract the virus (whether the FDA approves or not), not a freezing of commerce, economic activity and social life among the overwhelming bulk of the population which would otherwise weather this new form of winter flu and develop herd immunity. 
Thus, of the 4,758 deaths in New York state attributed to Covid-19 as of April 6, 63% of the deaths were among those over 69 years of age, while just 7% of the cases were those under 50.
So we will say it again: The death rate per 100,000 population in New York was 70X higher among those over 69 years than among those under 50 years:
  • 3,000 Covid deaths among those over 69 years = 183/100,000;
  • 333 Covid deaths among those under 50 years = 2.6/100,000;
Likewise, 86% or 4,089 of those who died had at least one other chronic disease:
  • The leading underlying illness was hypertension, which showed up in 55% of the deaths.
  • Next was diabetes, which was diagnosed in 1,755 deaths, or about 37% of the cases.
  • Other top illnesses found in those who died from coronavirus were hyperlipidemia; coronary artery disease; renal disease and dementia.
Folks, this isn’t the data for Wyoming or East Jesus. This is the epicenter of the putative plague, where upwards of 13 million New Yorkers under 50 years of age have essentially been put under house arrest by Governor Cuomo. And for what? To protect them from a 2.6 per 100,000 death rate?
Let’s be clear. It is not our choice to trade in the ghoulish data on the death rates of American citizens. But when CNN carries the death rate on a continuous screen crawler, which is apparently updated by the hour, you have no choice but to, well, get the facts straight.
So in the first place, New York’s tiny Covid death rate of 2.6 per 100,000 among those under the age of 50 years needs some context. To wit, in the most recent year, the total New York death rate in that age category was 91 per 100,000 or 35X the Covid rate. Moreover, the under 50 death rate for accidents and suicides alone was 34 per 100,000 or 13X the Covid rate.
So, yes, every death is tragic, but what we are dealing with is marginalia from a societal viewpoint, not a once in a 1000 year plague that requires the virtual shutdown of economic life.
Indeed, if we wished to be politically incorrect, we could slam Governor Cuomo for running the ultimate Nanny State gambit and be done with it. Except except…. there are the old and sick folks allegedly being protected by his sweeping stay-at-home orders.
But exactly how keeping young folks out of restaurants protects the elderly with medical conditions, who would now be well advised to stay away from said venues, is hard to fathom. Besides, even the smoking gun New York state data on the high 183 per 100,000 death rate from Covid-19 for those over 69 itself needs contextual amplification.
In the most recent year, for example, the death rate for the New York State population over 69 years of age (1.642 million) was 6,465 per 100,000 or 35X the current Covid rate.
That is, the grim reaper doth cometh, inexorably. And in the case of the four leading co-morbidity diseases that have been widely present in Covid cases – diabetes, heart disease, pneumonia and lower respiratory illnesses – the death rate is 2,800 per 100,000.
In other words, the leading co-morbidities with Covid have a year-in and year-out mortality rate that is 15X higher than the Covid death rate that has occurred to date among New York’s over 69 population.
Nor are these New York stats some kind of aberrant outlier. If New York is the epicenter of the US corona contagion, then Italy has been ground zero for the Grim Reaper on a worldwide basis.
In fact, as of yesterday (April 8), there had been 18,280 corona deaths reported in Italy. That represented a death rate of 30.5 per 100,000 total population and which was only slightly below New York’s 32.0 per 100,000 rate.
Yet according to the Italian National Health Service’s own numbers and we quote, the aged, infirm and medically vulnerable have borne the overwhelming brunt of the deaths:
“According to the latest data of the Italian National Health Institute ISS, the average age of the positively-tested deceased in Italy is currently about 81 years. 10% of the deceased are over 90 years old. 90% of the deceased are over 70 years old.”
80% of the deceased had suffered from two or more chronic diseases. 50% of the deceased had suffered from three or more chronic diseases. The chronic diseases include in particular cardiovascular problems, diabetes, respiratory problems and cancer.”
“Less than 1% of the deceased were healthy persons, i.e. persons without pre-existing chronic diseases.
Moreover, the Italian government agency attempts to distinguish between those who died from the coronavirus and those who died with the coronavirus. But in many cases it is not yet clear whether the persons died from the virus or from their preexisting chronic diseases or from a combination of both.
 The two Italians deceased [!!] under 40 years of age (both 39 years old) were a cancer patient and a diabetes patient with additional complications. In these cases, too, the exact cause of death was not yet clear (i.e. if from the virus or from their preexisting diseases).”
In short, in some real sense, the Covid-19 is not a fatal pandemic which afflicts the entire population; it’s a highly contagious virus that preys upon a limited, identifiable, isolate-able sub-population that could be generously protected and cared for at a tiny fraction of the cost being imposed by the hysterical shutdowns now in place. 
Once upon a time, there were actually thoughtful conservatives among the GOP ranks who knew their economics and were listened to by the rank and file. Senator Robert Taft in the 1950s, Barry Goldwater in the 1960s, Bill Simon in the 1970s and Senators Pete Domenici and Alan Simpson in the 1980s and 1990s, among others, come to mind. 
But today’s Republicans are simply beltway domiciled fundraising robots, whose philosophy boils down to keeping themselves in office, whatever it takes. So in the face of a statist-instigated hysteria that virtually cries out for repudiation, they simply genuflect to the CNN body counts, or as Ann Coulter sarcastically put it: 
It turns out a person with Stage 4 lung cancer and a bullet through the heart will be counted as a “coronavirus death” if he also tested positive for the disease, OR merely exhibited symptoms associated with it (symptoms that are coextensive with the flu and pneumonia). 
Of course, you wouldn’t necessarily expect a 55-year beltway slug like Mitch McConnell to investigate the case when passing out trillions to the business PACs was the ready alternative. But last we heard, the Donald’s new chief of staff is the tea-party born, big-government hating, former Freedom Caucus Chairman, Rep. Mark Meadows. 
Did he get the Mick Mulvaney Memorial Lobotomy, too, when he got his White House identification badge? 
In fact, you can kick any so-called conservative Republican on Capitol Hill and you will get the same brain-dead eruption of fiscal incontinence, such as this budget buster from one of the recently minted Republican Senators from Missouri: 
“The circumstances are just overtaking us here in terms of the depth and scope of the economic fallout of this public health crisis,” said Sen. Josh Hawley (R., Mo.), who has been pushing a plan to restore workers’ paychecks by having the government cover 80% of employers’ payroll costs, up to the national median wage, at all firms affected by the crisis, and provide incentives for rehiring workers laid off last month. Is he kidding? 
In the most recent year, there were 84 million US wage earners below the median, who collectively generated $1.3 trillion of payroll. Does the good Senator really mean to underwrite 80% of that ($1.1 trillion) or does he plan to set up a government tribunal to determine which firms were “affected by the crisis” and therefore entitled to Free Stuff from Washington? 
Here’s the thing. Any conservative Senator worth his salt from the state of Missouri should be waving the bloody shirt about the insanity of the the plenary lock-downs, not pimping for restaurant chains, hotels, airlines and cruise ship companies that have gotten caught in the crossfire. 
Indeed, it was only in the era after the detestable Dick Cheney pronounced that “deficits don’t matter”, and thereby delivered the coup d’ grace on fiscal rectitude, that the business lobbies were transformed into principle-free racketeers and shameless parasites on the public purse. 
Still, here are Missouri’s corona-facts as of April 8. The state has had 3,327 positive cases and 58 deaths to date, which amount to 54 cases per 100,000 and 0.94 deaths per 100,000. 
Yet this compares to annual death rates in Missouri of:
  • All causes: 1,008 per 100,000;
  • Heart diseases: 241 per 100,000;
  • Lung cancer and other lung diseases: 124 per 100,000;
  • Diabetes: 26 per 100,000;
  • Pneumonia & influenza: 20 per 100,000; and
  • Suicides: 19 per 100,000
No matter how you slice it, Missouri is not the subject of a deathly pandemic in any way, shape or form. Yet this pathetic rookie GOP Senator can think of nothing better to do than to thrust his snout deep into the Bailout Trough along with all the rest of the Dem pols and Republican lifers in the Imperial City.
Old People Have No Fear 
I wonder how many of you actually know people near the end of their lives. I've known many, and I've only known one who was actually afraid of dying. By the time the chronically infirm get to the stage where death is imminent, the chance to cross over is usually something they look forward to as a sweet release from all that misery.

I'll tell you what Connie and I don't care for: Pain. Pain and discomfort. Connie is in constant, unremitting pain, despite all the palliatives prescribed to her that are intended to mitigate it. So you can understand why she would prefer a simple, painless passing to anything she is currently going through.

Last Saturday Connie began to get sicker than normal. Vomiting, shaking, and lots of vomiting.

Did I mention vomiting? Twelve times in two days, which would have been enough to alarm a Christian Scientist.  Sunday night I took Connie to the hospital, where she was admitted and found to have a bowel obstruction. They kept her there three days and three nights while they tried to figure out how to uncork her without surgery. They fed a tube through her nose and down into her stomach with which they extracted quart after quart of bile.

Eventually they dislodged something or did something to fix the problem somewhat, and I brought her home late Wednesday.  She is still in serious condition.  Not doing well at all. So far she is able to eat only a little broth, herbal teas, and ice chips. The only soup she ever liked was Campbell's Chicken & Stars, a comfort food from her childhood, and now she can't eat the stars.  After a few sips of the broth, she's had all she can handle, and that's her meal. I bought a variety of flavors of yogurt since that isn't a solid, but even that makes her feel sick. She can eat part of a jello snack pack cup, but neither of us can think of what else to try feeding her. Considering she still has diabetes, her food choices were limited long before we had to deal with this bowel obstruction. Not even a cracker goes down well.

Anyway, all this is by way of explaining why we are open to the possibility that once again my lovely bride may not be long for this world.  On the other hand, you can add "bowel obstruction" to the long list of maladies that may eventually contribute to Connie's demise, but who knows when that may occur?  The point is that when death finally comes for her, trust me when I tell you she will embrace it. For me it will be a time to mourn, but not a time to grieve.

As for me, what I experience with my respiratory afflictions is mostly discomfort. That beats suffering from chronic pain any day. So I've got the better deal, although during those many times when I've contracted pneumonia I have begged God to take me home.  I'm a bit of a wuss that way.  Asthma I can endure because I have my handy-dandy nebulizer nearby. But there is no relief from pneumonia. You have to wait it out, and that wait can seem interminable, mainly because there is no sleep to be had when your lungs are filling with fluid and you struggle for each tiny breath.

I don't mind dying either, but I don't want to die of anything related to my lungs. Give me something quick and clean like a car accident.

I become very melodramatic when I get pneumonia.

We're Shutting Down The Country Over THIS? 

Alex Berenson is a former reporter for the New York Times with impeccable liberal credentials, but because he is doing actual research and questioning the narrative of the Ruling Class, he is getting viciously attacked by his peers on the left. For what? For making observations like this:
"In February I was worried about the virus. By mid-March I was more scared about the economy. But now I’m starting to get genuinely nervous. This isn’t complicated. The models don’t work. The hospitals are empty. WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT INDEFINITE LOCKDOWNS?"
You can read more of what Berenson has to say here.  But the takeaway from all of this is that when the Ruling Class makes lying the default program, those who attempt to expose the deception can expect to be viciously attacked. Scientific researchers like the guy I quoted from last week are keenly aware that telling the truth is professional suicide, so he writes anonymously to report what every other scientist in his field would affirm if they, too, weren't afraid to do so.

The Lord warned us three times in the Book of Mormon that lies and deceptions would be the order of the day in our time.  I just didn't realize the deception would be so widespread and that so many ordinarily intelligent people would be incapable of seeing through it.

We live in a world gone suddenly mad. Is it any wonder Connie and I aren't going to mind when our time comes to leave it?

Related Posts:

Fear Is A Virus

Science Is Your Friend

COVID-19 Is Real, But The Test Is A Fraud


jstcommentary said...


I will miss your writing whenever you do leave this literal hell. When I go I just want to go where there are no people who do no think for themselves, so anywhere TBMs and Democrats end up would be hell for me. All I need, as proven during this ridiculous lockdown, is my wife and a pet and a good book. Thank you for all your efforts to bring truth to people.

John Scott Peterson

Sandy said...

You did a great job of painting the truth. Thank you for taking the time and effort... Praying for you and Connie.. to have less pain and more comfort... <3

PNW_DPer said...

Well, thinking about three deaths that happened just before this epidemic; one a nephew who was suffering from a lot of health issues, another a member of our local ward who over the last few years was treated to death for "suspected" narrowing of the arteries, the third a friend originally from Russia who survived war and the labor camps and died from natural causes related to aging; and now it seems that with all of the present craziness their deaths don't seem so tragic, like they just escaped this craziness.

Brian Bowler said...

Rock, excellent coverage of this. I have worked in the healthcare fields for most of my career, and I worked in health and (in-) Human services(HHS) for9+ years. During that time I was part of the emergency scenarios training and planning related to FEMA, and we were all trained how to report so we can access $ for any given crisis. I saw the power and possible miss use then. I had thought it was only a matter of time before a FEAR virus would sweep through and trigger this. The people that rise to the top in these organizations love power, and get used to pleasing others and playing politics. There are still many good people who work in these fields, but to survive it becomes habit to look other way. After awhile, its automatic and err people are aware they no longer can distinguish the truth from lies.

Underdog2 said...


You'd be shocked to know that hospitals get a lump sum payment of $13,000 from the nanny state if somebody is diagnosed with Covid-19.

And if they use a respirator, even for 10 minutes, the hospital gets $39,000, whether the patient is there for a half day or 4 weeks!

Cha ching!

They're incented to get a positive Covid-19 test result, and to prescribe and use a ventilator, and then to discharge the patient asap to make room for the next customer!

Some hospitals share their profits with the staff doctors.

Underdog2 said...


zenoch said...

Really pleased to see somebody articulate these things so clearly, and to see that so far none of the commenters seem to be in adamant opposition. Gives me some hope for an eventual return to sanity.

Underdog2 said...

I think the Book of Mormon gives us an inkling of what is to come for Christians in America, the land of the slaves. If you think you're not a slave like the children of Israel were for 400 years, try to live free and avoid a relationship with the Babylonian god the state, which has orchestrated this Corona "calamity" to destroy the middle class.

Interestingly, the light of the sun's corona is seen during a solar eclipse. Luciferians are using very meaningful words and symbols during this crisis. We have entered the era of the corona ("crown" of Baal), where Lucifer stands between us and God, thinking they are blocking God's light.

Some Christians now may begin to do this:

"And they did humble themselves even to the dust, subjecting themselves to the yoke of bondage, submitting themselves to be smitten, and to be driven to and fro, and burdened, according to the desires of their enemies.

"And they did humble themselves even in the depths of humility; and they did cry mightily to God; yea, even all the day long did they cry unto their God that he would deliver them out of their afflictions."

Limhi's people eventually found deliverance.

However, concurrent with Limhi, there was another Christian colony, led by a prophet, who found deliverance by the power of God.

This was their experience:

"And it came to pass that so great were their afflictions that they began to cry mightily to God."

They too humbled themselves.

I think this is the era which we are now entering for the next several years.

Americans have stood down and let the politicians totally destroy their rights and economy by this plannedemic. Trump has done nothing to stem the tide of tyranny under his watch. Tyranny has skyrocketed to levels never before seen in all of American history. But the people WANT the tyranny overall. They are asking for the lie of security over Liberty.

The lack of opposition signals to the tyrants to take more rights, wealth and freedom from the people.

It is inevitable in this environment that we go through what Limhi and Alma's people experienced.

Here is a comforting verse in light of the covenant offered in our day:

"And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord came to them in their afflictions, saying: Lift up your heads and be of good comfort, for I know of the covenant which ye have made unto me; and I will covenant with my people and deliver them out of bondage."

If the carrot of Zion has not been motivating enough to cry to the Lord that Zion be established as a refuge from Babylon, then the stick of tyranny may help supply the motive.

I feel the hand of God in this remarkable chapter of American and world history. If this is a not an example of God hastening His work, then I don't know what is.

The wicked will punish the wicked, and remnants all around the world will be crying to the Lord more because of the affliction taking hold of the planet.

jjkrambule said...

Where are you, Rock? How is your dear wife? We are all concerned for you both and are keeping you in our prayers.

Alan Rock Waterman said...

Thanks for providing that info on the payments to hospitals. I completely forgot to mention that the government is providing incentive to fudge the numbers and I appreciate your providing that. Also I appreciate seeing Dr Jensen's opposition to that dishonest practice; thanks for the link to that. Also that is an astute observation provided by those examples from the Book of Mormon.

Connie is eating a bit better now. Still mostly soup, and more than just broth. Her health overall continues to be miserable, and she is not very strong. I'm fine; like I said, my complaints are mostly due to discomfort, which is better than constant pain like Connie goes through. Thank you for your continued prayers for both of us.

I have not been able to keep up my goal of posting every other day here, though I do throw interesting videos onto my Facebook page almost daily. I hope to continue blogging on this theme of the great deception in our day every two weeks, if not every couple of days as I had originally intended.

gruden said...


I know most people in Utah and Idaho think the Chinese Flu is a hoax. As someone who lives further east in an active area for infections (although not NY) I can provide at least a little insight.

I commented on one of your previous posts on this, my wife had/has it. She suffered with it for 4 weeks, sometimes coming very close to having to go to the hospital because she could barely breathe. While she's been able to recover from it, she's still having some lingering symptoms.

Additionally, we know a couple who spent a week in the ICU because of this virus. They're both at home now recovering, but also seem to be facing a lengthy recovery process.

The young daughter of a family friend is still in the ICU and now in an induced coma because of this virus. She had been battling cancer for a number of years so she was a prime target for it.

A former colleague of mine who retired a few years back died from it (he was in his 70s).

Additionally, my wife works at a high school recently did an informal poll among her students (it's all online right now) and a full 50% of them reporting being directly impacted by the virus, each having a family member or friend who had contracted it. And it's not all old people with various ailments, it's also middle-aged and younger people as well.

So I'm telling you, it's real, and if you get it, it's not fun, and might even kill you. Even if you survive it, and many will, there are long lasting impacts from it, one of which is permanently reduced lung capacity, heart damage, and others.

I do agree with you, we will never know the true numbers of the infected and casualties. The CCP did everything to cover up the true impact, and I saw some interviews with Chinese doctors who said the number of infections and deaths were 20-50 times higher than what the CCP reported. And for the US and Europe, who knows. I've seen credible reports stating it's lower or higher.

One thing I'll point out is that the first wave of the Spanish Flu targeted the sick and infirm, before returning for younger, stronger people in the second and third waves. That appears to be the case here. It certainly seems to be true that this virus is targeting people with other health issues, but if you've checked the statistics recently, there are a great many people with diabetes, obesity, who smoke, cancer, and other chronic diseases. That's a lot of targets, and while it's accurate to say that many of the casualties had other serious health problems, the thing to keep in mind is that it is this virus that is finishing them off. It almost seems as if it were designed to do exactly that.

While the instances of the virus has been very uneven, it will certainly get everywhere eventually (it is a coronavirus after all, which resists long-term immunity and vaccines, just like the common cold which is also a coronavirus). I know many Utahns and Idahoans are very skeptical of the existence of this virus, but I have no doubt you will all become acquainted with it soon enough. By Thanksgiving there will be a lot more believers, possibly even including you. By then you'll get to experience what some of us have already seen.

Meanwhile, while you're waiting for it to come your way, take some time to read some thoughts Robert Smith has posted about it:

Underdog2 said...

Part 1


Rock's main point was the masses are being deceived. We have a historically unprecedented event in American history with the government KNOWINGLY unleashing devastation on millions of people by ordering a shutdown of "non essential" businesses and ordering people to self quarantine, and the potential STILL EXISTS RIGHT NOW for a total collapse of America into a zombie, fratricidal apocalypse which the minds of all Americans have been carefully prepared for by the countless zombie movies and shows.

Rock's inherent message is BE NOT DECEIVED, and you attempt a rebuttal with some anecdotes which cannot be confirmed, and with victims who all may have underlying conditions.

The deception is not trivial. Your life and your family is at risk, and not from a trumped-up novel virus whose very existence IS very debatable, on account of the massaged numbers. The real threat hails by the name of democide (by famine or sword), the leading cause of death on the planet in the 20th century and if you know the prophecies of Jesus Christ, esp in the BoM, you know democide will be the leading cause of death this century as well dwarfing the previous century's numbers of 200-250 million dead at the hands of their government.

Your animus towards his observation is clearly felt.

You then go on to quote some victims, with every single example likely having other underlying health conditions.

You go on to say, "I'm telling you, it's real," as an intended warning and rebuttal to Rock's expressed amazement at how easily people are deceived. Rock lamented, "I just didn't realize the deception would be so widespread and that so many ordinarily intelligent people would be incapable of seeing through it."

You said: "I know most people in Utah and Idaho think the Chinese Flu is a hoax."

It's important to avoid conflation and to state this accurately. First of all, it has nothing to do with geography, it has everything to do with critical thinking. Second of all, an actual virus is one thing, and the statistics and the accurate reporting of the statistics is another thing. You lumped the virus and the statistics together.

The novel virus may be real. And for the sake of argument let's say it is.

But what of the statistics and their reporting? Are they outright fraudulent numbers, or in other words, "hoax" statistics, or real (Dr. Birx has addressed that below)?

We don't have to wonder about the answer to this question, it is no mystery.

First clue, and understanding this point answers the question conclusively:

Who is tabulating the statistics?

The short answer is, the government (CDC), in concert with the United Nations and the W.H.O.

Do I need to say more? Case closed right there. Except for those deceived. Let's examine your skepticism that we should not trust the government, and esp the UN.

When you hear the government saying, "we are here to help you and protect you", who here believes that?

To all but the very naive or the leftists, you may know when the government talks like that they are lying and plotting something not in your interest but in THEIR interest.

Underdog2 said...

Part 2

I have no doubt that you and your wife will absolutely disagree with my last statement.

Because if you agreed that the government should in no wise be trusted to tell the truth, you would never have taken the time to write out the comment you wrote, indignant about Rock's thesis that many are deceived.

Indeed, you implicitly trust the government. You have enduring faith in the politicians. You believe the government is here to help you and to look out for the general welfare of the people.

I'm in Kentucky. There has been, admitted by the govt, one death in Kentucky where there were no other underlying conditions like cancer or leukemia, lung disease, etc.

One. Death.

And yet half the state has been shut down and the economy has been utterly devastated by the gov't. Suicides are up, people are much poorer, stress is unprecedented, businesses going bankrupt, and all this over ONE death.

You are quite a remarkable sample of the population. Nobody in my family knows anybody that has died of Covid-19. Furthermore, none of our friends or associates have knowledge of anybody who has died from Covid-19. Our hospitals in KY are much more empty now, REAL sick people are being turned away, with furloughs of healthcare workers affecting more and more hospitals everyday.

Of all the victims you have mentioned, who doesn't have anything but Covid-19? Possibly zero.

Let's get to the meat of the deception or ignorance. Will you thoughtfully answer this multiple-choice question:

How far can politicians go in denying large segments of the People (society) the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness (i.e., the right to work)?

A) They never can. Government is supposed to protect the People's rights. The government can only operate with authority granted by the People, and with the consent of the People.
B) They can blanket violate the People's rights at their own whims (simply create fear, declare an emergency and a solution, and start the violating! Zieg heil! This is exactly what Hitler did and what evil tyrants do).
C) If they can prove a singular individual is diseased with a deadly, contagious illness AND intentionally trying to infect another, they can use force then to quarantine that person. Quarantines are not for healthy people.

I assume you're not so lost and confused and evil as to choose B. That leaves C, because you're obviously ignorant of or antagonist towards God-given rights and refuse to choose A.

If you concede that B is wrong and indeed evil, then you must concede the current government response is unmasked TYRANNY!

Will you concede this?

Now, let's look at your predictable choice, C, because you know B is wrong:

1) Notice C is a case by case deal. An INDIVIDUAL has to be accused of a crime, and then tried by a jury.
2) The government MUST now prove 3 things: a) the existence of a deadly disease; b) that the charged person is infected; and c) intent to harm someone. Who?
3) Do you see that the politicians are not remotely close to even proving there's a novel disease, much less charging any individuals with possession of it and then TRYING to harm others?

Obviously, this is not what is happening. Instead, in the government's eyes, EVERYONE is "a Jew" and guilty! The politicians are creating the same conditions as in Nazi Germany in which today's "evil Jews" will be those who refuse vaccination for an unproven disease! The yellow armband will be your vaccination papers.

Underdog2 said...

Part 3 of 3

Can you see that it's flagrant totalitarianism for politicians to dictate who is essential and who is non essential? Do you see these actions are indeed Satanic?

What are you willing to concede, Gruden?

You condemn the Chinese Communist Party's statistics as false, but put your complete faith in the hype of the communist UN/ W.H.O. scaremongering propaganda, which the U.S. government has copied.

I'll conclude by referencing what the sociopath scarf lady Birx said, as Rock noted. Let me translate. She said the U.S. death numbers for Covid-19 are fraudulent statistics. She admitted this on video! She acknowledged the Covid-19 numbers are a scam!

This SHOULD BE the unrelenting, main news story in the world because it PROVES the government's actions are fraudulent and criminal, and even a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY, as millions are going to eventually die worldwide from the U.S. government's shutting down of commerce, and segments of agriculture.

The government has essentially attacked the People. It's an act of war, designed to kill humans through malnutrition, starvation, poisonous vaccines, and war/ civil unrest that is inevitable because of the economic repercussions that the federal and state governors caused, all in the name of "protection".

The BoM did call it. It's truly remarkable how Americans who pride themselves on Liberty and brag, "Ain't no way nobody's gonna take our Freedoms", have been "Stockholm" conditioned to willingly accept and enjoy their slavery and destruction.

gruden said...


Wow, someone who post longer novels than I do! I've been thinking about how I wish to respond, I think I'm going to keep it simple, because there are simple aspects to this for us little people that are very real.

I note you did say I conflated aspects of virus reporting/attitudes with geography, then you go on to add a great many things I did not address (and intentionally so, I wanted to keep this focused on a few aspects).

We live in the midwest, but my wife and I have a great many connections with Utah/Idaho, and since presumably many of the readers hail from that area, including Rock himself, I highlighted that. I know people from many areas think different things, including my home state, they were just an example because so many of them we know have expressed this perspective that it's a hoax. For the most part it felt like you were reciting an argument for someone else since you placed a lot of attitudes on me (including, apparently, a dislike for Rock, which is not the case), many of which are not accurate at all. Let’s not talk past each other, and let’s not make too many assumptions about each other.

I do agree there has been major overreaches by the government, and I do not agree with how this has been handled. Quarantine is for sick people, while house arrest is for healthy people, which is what we have. Destroying our economy and food production/supply system will do as much or more harm than what the virus does. I am watching these developments daily and am greatly concerned about them, but for Rock's blog posts I wanted to keep a more narrow focus. The virus is real, just as real as the limit to our freedoms. I wanted to make sure Rock and his readers understand this virus does exist and it is harmful, even lethal. And, at some point, everyone will be exposed to it. Both the threat and the invalid response can equally exist, and they do, even if not yet perceived equally. If you look at how the Chinese government responded to the breakout, you get a pretty good clue as to the nature of the threat (and Bill Gates’ praising of their response points out another ominous aspect for us).

You stated that the people who suffer from the virus had other issues, if you go back and read my post I make that clear. My wife is immuno-compromised, similar to Rock's wife, the girl still in the hospital has had a long battle with cancer, my former colleague who died was in his 70s. So yes, the virus targets the old and those with some kind of health issue, as if designed to do so, which I clearly stated.

To make my point clear: people with health issues are a very large portion of our population, which means there are millions of people who can fall prey to it. Here's some quick stats at what we're looking at for Americans:

12% are 65 or older
42% considered obese
~5% have or had cancer (they say many more will have it in the future)
10% have diabetes
45% have at least 1 chronic disease

Those stats should make us very uneasy. Easily half of Americans or more have a potential co-morbidity that makes them a target for the China virus. When you write off the death as people who were weakened by something else, well a lot of people have 'something else'. There's no reason for smug assurance that it is something reserved for a small percentage who are sick. The field is ripe and ready for harvest, and it will, because many of us are sick. That's the sad state we're in.

gruden said...

Another thing to keep in mind is this virus is now a permanent part of our disease landscape - it's here to stay. There's lot of talk about making a vaccine, but researchers have been working on vaccines for coronaviruses for years which have always resulted in complete failure. As I said previously, the common cold is a coronavirus and there are no vaccines for that, and we all suffer colds many times in our lives, and the same will be true of this. Our immune system can't maintain anti-bodies for viruses like this for long, especially as it mutates.

BTW, did you take the opportunity to read the posts I linked for Robert Smith's blog? I recommend his blog in general, he has many interesting things to say, and I am certainly interested in what anyone with a real connection to heaven (as opposed to just presumed or elected) has to say. Here they are again:

We also need to consider the spiritual aspects of this. There is something else happening here. For many years we have read and discussed the end times. It will not be a short series of events which rapidly culminate with the Lord's return, but a gradual - and very painful - unfolding of many tragedies, starting here in America. The Lord is reclaiming His land of promise. Rob posted a video last year about the end times as they pertain to us that touches upon what we are currently seeing. I highly recommend:

Models I have seen indicate only about 1% of Americans have been exposed to this virus. Some models say other things, but I'm telling you by autumn you will have a very different view of this virus. As for the government... that isn't going to get any better either.

The virus is real, Underdog2, I assure you. The government’s tyrannical response is real to, and while it may be more easily perceived by some than the former, you will be acquainted with both equally when all is said and done. Very likely sooner than later.

Underdog2 said...

Part 1

I read Rob from time to time. Read the first link. I own a book of his which I've read with profit.

Not to belittle Rob's "connection", but I don't believe he has proclaimed any "thus saith the Lord" revelations that he has been commanded to share with the world, has he? I think you and I and everyone in fact have a connection to heaven.

And, as we both know, the formula is to study things out and really ponder it then ask if it's true. In short, to be guided by the holy ghost. And those who give effort to research and understand are typically the ones who are the beneficiaries of receiving heavenly guidance. I think Rock is a good example of someone who studies
things out, and it would not surprise me one bit if he has studied two, three, four times more than Rob has on the subject. Rock > Rob on this topic.

In either case, we need to discern what's true for ourselves.

My main point to you was that the statistics are lies. Any model that you have seen is likely using false statistics (why would you think otherwise?), therefore the model is completely useless.

And since you confirmed that your wife also has a serious health condition, along with the other examples you shared, it is not only plausible but probable that something OTHER THAN a novel coronavirus affected them.

It happens every day. People who are already sick and dying catch something else and their demise is hastened.

However, governments are creating bioweapons. This very well could be one, albeit a very tame one.

I personally believe that the Covid-19 hysteria CREATED BY THE GOV'T AND MSM is purely a cover for the rollout of 5G radiation which pollutes the oxygen so we cannot breathe it, thus appearing to be some strange and novel respiratory virus. If you haven't looked into that, I highly recommend looking into it. Joe Imbriano predicted this very Covid-19 event in Feb 2018. Watch:

Joe is a "prophet" on this matter, in my view. If you want a "connection to heaven" on this topic, get acquainted with Joe.

Underdog2 said...

Part 2 of 2 (to Gruden):

His prediction (towards the end) sounds prophetic, but he just knows the plan. In the first 2.5 minutes of the video he lays it out bluntly.

You're giving lip service to the tyranny, but focusing all your energy on fake statistics, and then being whipsawed by the fear that brings.

I'm glad you agree the government is guilty of overreaches. I think, however, it's more apt to characterize their actions as criminal and precisely Satanic. Denying people the right to worship together in meetings is something almost 100% of Americans would have said was an utter impossibility in America just two months ago. And yet today IT'S REALITY. Satan's fingerprints are all over this plannedemic.

Indeed there is a spiritual nature. Luciferians are fond of wearing masks at their ceremonies. The Corona (crown; blocking out the sun's light) is a blatant symbol of Luciferianism. And they now have half the population wearing masks, and thinking about "Corona", and cowering in fear. Wow!

Well, it seems you want to continue to double down on the reality of a "virus" which is killing very few people, statistically speaking. For your sake, I do hope you consider the possibility of the 60-gigahertz radiation that is being aimed right at Americans. It is a weapon. President Trump has allocated 80 billion dollars for the rapid deployment of this weapon.
And the intent is to kill. The existence of this genocidal weapon completely depends upon deceiving the People. HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars and the successful depopulation and destruction of America depends on this deception.

So please, do yourself a favor and when this Fall comes and you see people who've fallen sick, to consider that maybe what the gaslighting mainstream media is telling you, or what the government or UN is telling you is NOT the truth.

I believe Rock's warning is about deception.

I've just seen 3 videos made by Joe. He exposes the deception. I'll leave this next one as a bonus for you.

In the middle of this March 2018 video (below) too, he gives a precise description of the event we know today as the Covid-19 pandemic:

And he gives a testimony of Jesus Christ which everyone here will appreciate.

gruden said...

Thanks, I'll watch those links because I like to keep an open mind and learn new things. While suspicions of the MSM, government and health agencies are well-founded, this is based on a real phenomena. It's an engineered virus that is dangerous. I've seen it up close for myself. I'm telling you it's real because I've seen it for myself and had to deal with it personally. The people I know didn't lay at home or in the hospital sick because they were overweight or whatever, it's because this virus made them sick to the point they could barely breathe. It leaves behind permanent lung damage in many people.

To anyone still reading up to this point, I'll simply offer the solutions I found to be effective in helping my wife survive this.

If you don't have a nebulizer, get one. Get some good colloidal silver and eucalyptus oil to put in it. This combo opened up her lungs and allowed her to breathe when it became difficult.

Get as much Vitamin C and D as you can. There are also plenty of good herbal anti-virals, lung support and immune system builders. The medicinal mushrooms reishi and chaga are also highly recommended. Quercitin is also very good in combination with zinc.

Maybe around Thanksgiving Rock can post a small update to this if he's up to it then. In 3-6 months you won't need people like me to tell you the China flu is real.

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