tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post7804777479374771814..comments2024-03-28T15:23:18.071-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: Follow The Prophet: True or False?Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger144125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-22068940846467313512018-09-09T23:38:33.038-07:002018-09-09T23:38:33.038-07:00Want To Boost Your ClickBank Commissions And Traff...<b>Want To Boost Your ClickBank Commissions And Traffic?</b><br /><br /><a href="http://www.bannerizer.com" rel="nofollow"><b>Bannerizer</b></a> made it easy for you to promote ClickBank products by banners, simply go to <b>Bannerizer</b>, and get the banner codes for your favorite ClickBank products or use the <b>Universal ClickBank Banner Rotator</b> to promote all of the ClickBank products.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287821785570247118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-32828835921352093742016-11-02T17:08:17.553-07:002016-11-02T17:08:17.553-07:00How do born again people talk?How do born again people talk?Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-56476241105926759892016-11-01T22:00:29.897-07:002016-11-01T22:00:29.897-07:00Born again people dont talk like you. You might ch...Born again people dont talk like you. You might check yourself a little.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04225265980793225506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-56543463976692029752015-06-09T12:37:13.482-07:002015-06-09T12:37:13.482-07:00I have not been able to find or verify that "...I have not been able to find or verify that "Joseph Smith taught that the president holds the keys of Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and can exercise those keys only when the lord sees fit to use him in that capacity."<br /><br />Can anyone please provide a reference? ThanksCannibalCowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10347778352965289614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-27475009187852407882015-04-18T14:20:05.616-07:002015-04-18T14:20:05.616-07:00Madmack,
D&C 1:38-39 are verses that are freq...Madmack, <br />D&C 1:38-39 are verses that are frequently misconstrued in the church today to mean that what the Brethren speak is the same as if it came from God himself. I address that false interpretation in my piece, "Not Quite The Same" which you can find here:<br /><br />http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2014/11/it-isnt-same.htmlAlan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-7285414808008992015-04-18T12:21:18.241-07:002015-04-18T12:21:18.241-07:00The counter I can think of this is D and C 1 38-39...The counter I can think of this is D and C 1 38-39, It is talking directly about the revelations that are written down, but I can't think of many other counters.madmackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14981760095241001644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-24637007756487733012015-01-02T11:42:39.763-08:002015-01-02T11:42:39.763-08:00the church leaders and the people who follow "...the church leaders and the people who follow "their" teachings do not realize the scriptures were tampered during roman empire thru roman catholic church. <br /><br /> <br /><br />the roman catholic church sent this bible to Queen of England and had King James and his crew translate the scriptures to English for the people <br /><br /> <br /><br />The Queen of England and King James did not realize scriptures were tampered. <br /><br /> <br /><br /> clearly we are in fulfillment of the gentiles. <br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />What is daily sacrifice in book of Daniel? Daily sacrifice is proclaiming daily the sufferings and death of Christ on the tree Gal 3:13. This is the true power of G-d Heb 2:14;John 17:2. <br /> <br />1 Cor 1:17-18,For Christ sent me not to immerse in water, but to proclaim the word: not with words of wisdom of men, less the tree of Christ should be made of none effect. For the proclaiming of the tree is to them that perish foolishness; but to us which are saved it is the power of G-d 1 Peter 3:18. <br /> <br />Acts 26:22-23,Having therefore obtained help of G-d, I continue to this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the Holy prophets and Moses did say should come: That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should show light to the people, and to the Gentiles Luke 24:44-46. <br /> <br />The death of Christ's body on the tree destroyed all powers of the devil and put to death all works of the flesh! (Rom 8:3;1 Cor 1:29;2 Cor 4:11;Gal2:20; Gal 5:24;Col 2:11;Heb 2:14; Heb 10:20; 1Peter 4:1-2; 1 Cor 15:31;Rom 6:23) <br /><br /> <br /> <br />More truths.. <br /> <br />No rapture before or during Great Tribulation Dan 12:10,Many shall be purified (Joel2:28-29), and made white, and tried (Rev 7:14); but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. <br /> <br />In Rev 19:12 Christ given a new name because church leaders and their followers using name of Christ in these worship buildings Rev 17:8;Matt 7:22-23;Matt 24:24; 2 Cor 11:15;2 Thess 2:9-10. <br /><br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br />Remember Joel 2:28-29 which is in Torah Joel 3:1-2 is coming first upon all flesh then Great Tribulation, then after those days the coming son of G-d on the clouds. <br /><br /> <br /><br />Luke 21:34-36,And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of G-d. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-63592964414637571682015-01-02T11:42:15.583-08:002015-01-02T11:42:15.583-08:00`Matt 26:63-65,But Christ held his peace, And the ...`Matt 26:63-65,But Christ held his peace, And the high priest answered and said to him, I adjure you by the living G-d, that you tell us whether you be the Christ, the Son of G-d. Christ said to him, You have said: nevertheless I say to you, Hereafter shall you see the "Son of G-d" sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven Rev 1:7. Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He has spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now you have heard his blasphemy Matt 27:43; John 19:7. <br /><br /> <br /><br />Disciple Stephen said "Son of G-d" in Acts 7:56, And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of G-d standing on the right hand of G-d Luke 3:22,And the Spirit of G-d descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him "The Christ", and a voice came from heaven, which said, You are my beloved Son; in you I am well pleased. <br /><br /> <br /><br />1John 4:14-15, we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. Whosoever shall confess Christ is the Son of G-d, G-d dwells in him, and he in G-d. <br /><br /> <br /><br />1 John 5:5,Who is he that overcomes the world, but he that believes that Christ is the Son of G-d <br /><br /> <br /><br />Testimonies of Christ proclaimed as "Son of G-d" John 1:18;Luke 1:32;Matt 16:16;Acts 9:20, John 1:34,45,49;1 John 5:13. <br /><br /> <br /><br />and there is more! <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-80519132865724991952015-01-02T11:41:48.640-08:002015-01-02T11:41:48.640-08:00Now compare to Torah version Daniel 3:24-25, Then ...Now compare to Torah version Daniel 3:24-25, Then King Nebuchadnezzar was bewildered and stood up in haste. He shouted and said to his leaders, "Did I not cast three men into the fiery furnace, bound?" They answered and said to the king, "The king is true."He called out and said, "Behold, I see four free men walking in the midst of the fire, and there is no wound upon them, and the form of the fourth one is like [that of] an angel." <br /><br /> <br /><br />then you read in Hebrews1:5,For to which of the angels said he at any time, You are my Son, this day have I sent you? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? <br /><br /> <br /><br />We can see that KJV Daniel 3:25 should read is like that of "an angel". <br /><br /> <br /><br /> John the Baptist is called, "John The Prophet of the Highest" Luke 1:76;Matt 21:26 <br /><br /> <br /><br /> In Matt 16:18 they added "Church". The correct word is "Kingdom" Matt 16:18, And I say also to you, That you are disciple Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Kingdom; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it Eph 2:20;2 Samuel 7:12-13;Hebrews 8:1-2;Mark 14:58. <br />2Cor4:4, In whom the god of this world has blinded the minds of them which believe not, less the light of the glorious "Words" of Christ, who is the "Son" of G-d, should shine to them 1John 4:15;1 John 4:2. <br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />They changed many scriptures of "Son of G-d" and put in "Son of Man" <br /><br /> <br /><br />Matt 24:30,And then shall appear the sign of the Son of G-d in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of G-d coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Also in Matt 24: verse 37,39,and 44. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-26490689539875735212015-01-02T11:41:20.126-08:002015-01-02T11:41:20.126-08:00In 1Tim 3:16 they added "god". It is &qu...In 1Tim 3:16 they added "god". It is "Christ, Word of G-d" 1 Tim 3:16, And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: "Christ, Word of G-d" was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit of G-d, seen of angels, proclaim to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory John 1:14; 1John 1:1;1John 4:2. <br /> Here are scriptures that confirm correction for 1 Tim 3:16.<br /> Christ manifested in the flesh: John 1:6,30, 33-34;Heb 1:1-2; Heb 2:14,16; Heb 5:7-8<br /> Christ justified by the Spirit of G-d: John 5:32, 36-37; 14:10; Acts 2:22; Acts 10:38; Isaiah 53:10-11; Roms 3:25-26; 8:30,33; 1 Peter 3:18; Hebs 10:12; 1 Tim 2:5-6<br /> Seen of Angels: Luke 2:15, 17-18<br /> Proclaim to the gentiles: Matt 4:13-16; Matt 24:14; Acts 28:28<br /> Believed on in the world: Matt 24:14 Received up into glory: John 16:28; Acts 1:9-11. <br /> <br /><br />Look at KJV Daniel 3:24-25,Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonished, and rose up in haste, and spoke, and said unto his counselors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king. He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-46431043334489369872015-01-02T11:40:44.043-08:002015-01-02T11:40:44.043-08:00This is where you see huge flocks of people in div...<br />This is where you see huge flocks of people in diver places of worship known as "Revivals" and "Church Services"Matt 24:23; Luke 17:20-23!, which is Rev 16:14 and "Mystery of Iniquity" Matt 24:12; 2thess2:7! <br /> <br />As we get closer to the end thousands even millions of people following a "MAN" Rev 13:18; Rom 1:23,25, like the pope or famous Christian evangelists, even famous T.V. Network Matt 24:24,26; Rev 17:17! <br /> <br />Rev 18:22-24,And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in you Is 5:12; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in you; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in you; And the light of a candle Luke11:35 shall shine no more at all in you; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in you (increase ministers increase divorces in the land Dan 8:12;Ezk8:17): for your ministers were the great men of the earth Rom 10:3-4;2 Cor 11:15; for by your sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of holy prophets, and of the holy ones Rev 6:9-10;John 16:2;Luke 21:12-13, and of all that were killed upon the earth 2thess2:7;Ezk 9:9. <br /> <br /><br />People of G-d must leave all churches and get into prayer Matt 6:33 for their household to receive Joel 2:28-29 to escape spiritual plagues Rev 18:4,1Peter 4:17;John 16:11. Be ready for Great Tribulation Matt 24:21, and coming son of G-d Luke 21:36. <br /><br /><br />Rev 17:5 is Babylon the Great, The" Mother" of Harlots and all her buildings set up for worship "Churches". This worldwide church system spread out on earth is spiritually connected to "Mother" church in Rome Dan7:7,19-20>Rev 13:1-2 and the Great City Rev11:8. <br /> <br />This "Mother’ and all churches on the earth including the one you attend, support is subjected to judgment of G-d 1 Peter 4:17-18;Rev 14:7-11, and soon to receive the spiritual plagues Rev 9:4;Rev 22:18-19. <br /><br /> <br /><br />I can show proof that the old testament Holy Bible scriptures are incorrect compared to the Torah old testament scriptures because these men during time of roman empire change the truth of G-d into a lie and spread it to the nations. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-5461581749700629452015-01-02T11:40:05.151-08:002015-01-02T11:40:05.151-08:00Matthew 24:15,this spiritual false image appears i...Matthew 24:15,this spiritual false image appears in any four square worship building called of G-d 2Thess2:3-4! This false image is devil appearing as "Christ" to people in churches! <br /><br /> <br /><br /> My testimony is against the beast Rev 17:8 and the serpent Rev 12:9, because one true living G-d came to me and show me the true "Messiah"and the spiritual truth of what is really happening to these people's souls in these worship buildings around the world! <br /><br /> <br /><br />Christ spoke about believers saying to him we did great works in your name but Christ says to them depart from me I know you not. <br /><br />Matthew 7:22,Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? Matthew 24:24! This is where "Mystery of Iniquity" comes from these worship buildings 2 thess2:7 and 9! <br /><br /> <br /><br />Matthew 24:23,Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not and Luke 17:20-23,And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man (G-d), and ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. <br /><br /> <br /><br />Christ is talking about these worship buildings where men are calling out to the people "Come and join us in worship"! Matthew 24:4-5, And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many! <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-21796903887127282062015-01-02T11:39:32.950-08:002015-01-02T11:39:32.950-08:00Hebrews 10:29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppo...Hebrews 10:29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppose you, shall he be thought worthy, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? Were talking about Rev 11:2 and Luke 21:24,And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive (church buildings) into all nations: and spiritual Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. <br /><br /> <br /><br />1Peter 4:17-18,For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the words of God?And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? <br /><br /> <br /><br />we are talking about Matthew 24:15; Rev 17:8! <br /><br /> <br /><br />this Jerusalem is heavenly in Rev 11:1-2! this is spiritual Jerusalem not the earthly one. <br /><br /> <br /><br />Remember John 4:23,But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him. <br /><br />John 6:44, No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Luke 10:22, All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knows who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. Matthew 16:17, And Jesus answered and said to him, Blessed are you, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it to you, but my Father which is in heaven.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-23445679686879949892015-01-02T11:39:02.096-08:002015-01-02T11:39:02.096-08:00Do you know about certain men during time of roman...Do you know about certain men during time of roman empire took the original scriptures and changed the words? These men were the ones that formed the roman catholic "Mother" church Rev 17:5. <br /><br /> <br /><br />they put together the "Holy Bible". they change words of Torah and words of Christ. They change Isaiah 9:5Torah to Isaiah 9:6KJV, which is the spiritual false image Rev 17:8. <br /><br /> <br /><br /> this is not a joke. <br /><br /> <br /><br />Disciple paul talked about these men in Acts 20: 28-30; Romans 1:25. Disciple John talked about them too in 1John 2:18-19. <br /><br />Christ talked about it in Matthew 24 and Luke 21. Christ foresaw our generation on the mount of temptation in Luke 4:5 all the kingdoms including <br /><br /> <br /><br />these worship buildings Isaiah 14:13, And you said to yourself, 'To the heavens will I ascend, above God's stars will I raise my throne, and I will sit on the mount of the assembly, in the farthest end of the north. Daniel 8:10,And it grew until the host of heaven, and it cast down to the ground some of the host and of the stars and trampled them. <br /><br /> <br /><br />Luke 4:9,And he brought him to spiritual Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said to him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from here: Daniel 8:11,And until the Prince of the host it grew, and through him the daily sacrifice was removed, and the base of His Sanctuary was cast down. Rev 11:2, But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given to the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months- Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-72646762738176970422015-01-02T11:38:22.048-08:002015-01-02T11:38:22.048-08:00Hear fulfillment of 2thess2:3-4 on video called, &...Hear fulfillment of 2thess2:3-4 on video called, "Christ testimony of the churches around the world". Just Google name of video and hear my testimony! <br /> <br />Hello my name is Deborah. Please read my message and hear my testimony. <br /><br /> <br /> <br />Many Christ believers in these churches are asking me, who are you? <br /><br /> <br /> <br />I am the witness of Rev 11:3 and the woman of Rev 12:6. These two are the same person. I am witness in seeing beast ascend out of pit and in spiritual perdition as I send my testimony and biblical prophetic message night and day to churches around the world. <br /><br /> <br /><br />G-d came to me. I did not come to him. <br /> <br />The one true living G-d and his Christ brought me out of worship buildings known as churches, which are Rev 17:5. <br /> <br />G-d thru his only word revealed truths about spiritual false image, church leaders, and their followers in these worship buildings spread out on earth. <br /><br /> <br /> <br />I am telling truth, G-d brought me out of Rev 17:5 both physically and spiritually 2 Peter 2:18; Col 1:13. Then G-d anointed me and sent me spiritually into the Great City Rev11:8. I spiritually saw my body leave my bedroom and go down into the earth. So as I send biblical prophetic message and my testimony to these churches around the world, I see night and day people's spirits in this Great City which is spiritually connected to all churches on the earth! <br /><br /> <br /> <br />The beast, who is Rev 17:8 and comes from devil Rev 13:2;Isaiah 14:13;2 Thess 2:9 deceiving church people in worship buildings spread out on earth Dan 11:45;Rev 17:8;Luke 4:9;Dan 8:24-25;Dan 9:26-27. <br /> <br />These worship buildings are according to 2Thess 2:3-4 which is 2 Tim 3:5; Matt 24:24; 2 Cor 11:13-15; Luke 6:26; 2 Peter 2:1; Matt24:23>Luke 17:20-21. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-59862466869642722612014-10-26T13:49:01.239-07:002014-10-26T13:49:01.239-07:00If anyone else knows the source, please let me kno...If anyone else knows the source, please let me know.Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-4240783946812009792014-10-26T13:48:15.577-07:002014-10-26T13:48:15.577-07:00Anonymous, I wish I had included the link to the s...Anonymous, I wish I had included the link to the source in my piece, because at the moment I don't recall off the top of my head. It was probably in the Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, but I don't know what happened to my copy for now. I'd look up Keys or authority in the index.<br />Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-54900872340391373762014-10-25T20:06:09.616-07:002014-10-25T20:06:09.616-07:00Rock, you said J"oseph Smith taught that the ...Rock, you said J"oseph Smith taught that the president holds the keys of Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and can exercise those keys only when the lord sees fit to use him in that capacity."<br />Can you please provide me with that reference? ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-76014702251044200962014-06-26T02:36:06.235-07:002014-06-26T02:36:06.235-07:00Clarisse, Continued -
And yes, polygamy is one...Clarisse, Continued -<br /><br /><br />And yes, polygamy is one of the many vile things the Church continues to promote, promise, preach and practice, if only 'serial polygamy' at present. But other evils the Church preaches and practices are divorce and remarriage (which Christ said was always adultery) and ignoring the fatherless and the needy, paid ministry, destruction of families by supporting and looking the other way as men abuse and abandon their wives & families, disrespect of the true equality & authority of women in church and home, just to name a few, as if those things weren't enough. <br /><br />The Saints in Christ's day met in their homes with family & friends. We can do that too, and need to if we are going to protect our children and loved ones from false doctrines and false prophets. Christ gave us his full Gospel when he was on the earth, that is all we need. God gives every righteous person is power, Priesthood power, it is the power of true love, charity, which again is God's power. No man can bestow God's power, it must be earned, then God will grant us a portion of his power. <br /><br />The LDS Church wants us to believe we are dependent on them for eternal life, nothing could be farther from the truth. But don't take my word for it, only believe Christ. Even Joseph Smith said to compare everyone's teachings, especially prophets, to what Christ said, and if they teach contrary or add to Christ's doctrines, then we mustn't listen to them, or we can lose our salvation. <br /><br />Christ warned us of false prophets, learn how to tell the difference, learn how to discern charity, to tell who are the true followers of Christ, not just those who look good and seem good and say all the right things but do the opposite, like the LDS leaders do.Anon 23noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-77724633767415394592014-06-26T02:34:26.413-07:002014-06-26T02:34:26.413-07:00Clarisse,
2 Timothy says & I believe, that &q...Clarisse,<br /><br />2 Timothy says & I believe, that "God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of love and a sound mind..." <br /><br />While it is good for you to be careful to not fall for falsehoods and make wrong choices, God does not expect you to automatically believe whatever anyone says or commands, even if they claim to be prophets, ancient or modern. <br /><br />God has commanded us to 'prove all things' before following or believing in them. <br /><br />I understand how you are feeling, I felt the same way as I was waking up. It can take many months or years to gradually learn enough truth and search out enough answers to be able to see how false and evil the Church is and to feel not only 'ok' leaving it but how very wrong it is to stay a part of it and support it.<br /><br />I would recommend you not worry so much about making any huge decisions quickly, for God knows you need time to research, pray, study, question and learn the truth, before you know exactly what you are to do. Heavenly Father gives us the time we need and as long as we are sincerely searching for the truth he will not hold us accountable for not knowing more or for being deceived at present. For if we have a sincere heart, in time we will learn all things and have the courage to follow truth, no matter where it takes us.<br /><br />The RLDS Church has no true Priesthood or authority either, nor does any church on this earth, imo. I believe we are back to square one, with just the Gospel of Jesus Christ that he left us which is all recorded in the New Testament. If Christ didn't teach something I wouldn't believe it. He said everything that needs to be said in order to gain eternal life. <br /><br />You only believe in the LDS doctrines that have been added to Christ's words because you have been raised in it. But neither Christ, nor Joseph, taught about the temple the way the LDS use it, or about sealings, endowments, etc. <br /><br />It is a false doctrine made up by Brigham Young that we must be married in the temple in order to have eternal marriages and families. (and I was married in the temple and was as true blue as anyone else, for 50 years)<br /><br />But all (1st) marriages and families are eternal. It's impossible for them not to be. There is no way to keep anyone from knowing and loving their family members in the next life. <br /><br />It is only the LDS Church that has taught that we must pay to have eternal families, when it has always been a completely free gift, for both the good and the bad. <br /><br />But you will come to see this as you study the teachings of Christ and compare them with what the Church has been teaching all along. <br /><br />Anon 23noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-11366084569567473942014-06-26T01:23:40.558-07:002014-06-26T01:23:40.558-07:00I'm SO late to the party. As a young latter-da...I'm SO late to the party. As a young latter-day saint with two very young children I've been contemplating the Church versus Gospel as of late. I suppose the Kate Kelly debauchle has lead me to Dehlin and Snuffer and Waterman and the like. <br /><br />And while I've always been resistant to authority, I was always too afraid to resist church authority. And now I find myself at a church school with my education hanging over my head (if my bishop feels I am not following the church as I should, he pulls my endorsement...which has been threatened for little things like mentioning the Journal of Discourses in Sunday School...)<br /><br />But I digress. Despite my position at school I am earnestly seeking answers to questions, and, above all, truth. I feel Rock's writings (as the ideas of those I mentioned earlier) have set me on a path to truth and happiness. For that I am grateful. <br /><br />The last poster, Anon23, said, nearly 8 months ago, that the prophets of the church today teach the vilest whoredomes. Can you elaborate on that for me? Give me specific examples (other than polygamy, because that one I know)? I''m honestly interested. <br /><br />Also, the question never was answered, if the modern LDS church has fallen away and does not have proper priesthood authority, why not join the RLDS church? Or leave the church altogether? It seems that anyone who shares Rock's views (or Snuffers) are just biding time until they are excommunicated (unless they meet in secret and keep their mouths shut in church). <br /><br />As I'm learning and reading and asking more questions I'm filled with even more questions and concerns. And it makes me really wary of corporate church. But at the same time I feel fear. Fear that I'll be punished for not raising my children in the church. Fear that I'll lose access to the temple. Fear of losing my place in the Celestial Kingdom (and therefore my eternal marriage to my wonderful spouse). And then I feel like I shouldn't be feeling fear--it feels too brainwashy for me to be comfortable with. <br /><br />Am I making any sense? I don't want to be nonsensical like Scatterbrain was (no offense meant). <br /><br />If anyone is still active on this particular post, I'd love to hear thoughts and ideas and read suggested articles or scriptures. <br /><br />Thank you, Rock, for fostering a place of honest, civil discourse, and a place where I don't feel like a diseased animal because I have questions.Clarisse McClellannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-60978325636106672052013-11-19T09:13:34.009-08:002013-11-19T09:13:34.009-08:00Dale,
You may not ever see this, but in answer t...Dale, <br /><br />You may not ever see this, but in answer to your question about 'why not just stay in the Church for community' even if it is not true or does not have true authority or true prophets, I believe there is great harm to our Celestial standing in doing such. <br /><br />For Joseph Smith warned us that we would be damned for allowing ourselves to be deceived to follow, support or go along with false prophets, especially when they teach and promote false doctrines and vile whoredoms as the LDS leaders have since Brigham and still do today. <br /><br />We come under further condemnation if we allow ourselves to give sacred tithing (meant for the poor) to false prophets and imposters who will use most of it on themselves or other things rather than the fatherless 1st & foremost. We will share in the blame for the hardships that the fatherless have to suffer if we don't make sure 'all' our money (fast offerings & tithing) gets to them, until there are not more poor among us. Then we can think about using donations for churches & temples, true temples that is, not Brigham's false temples with his false ordinances and endowments & sealings.<br /><br />So I believe there is great condemnation by staying in and supporting an apostate Church, despite how much they may claim to be or look like the true continuation of the original Church.<br /><br />Alma & other righteous people had to flee the apostate Church of King Noah when they realized just how apostate & evil it was. It could not have been a good thing to stay with it. <br /><br />I believe the LDS Church today is just like King Noah's Church back then, with all it's false priests and prophets living lavish lives supported by the poor while the leaders commit or support the vilest of evils.<br /><br />I don't believe it will be overlooked on judgement day that we stayed and were deceived to support such evil and evil leaders, it's just far too blatant when you start to awake to it all.<br /><br />Remember, Joseph and ancient prophets warned that we would lose our salvation just by being deceived to support evil and false prophets, we don't get a pass just by saying we didn't know. We are all able to wake up to our the awful state of the Church, if we are willing to. To stay deceived and in denial is a choice we will be accountable for.<br /><br />If we are righteous and have the Holy Spirit as our guide we do not need a Church or leaders to lead us. We can, as the ancient saints did in Christ's day, meet in our own homes with family & friends to worship and study together and who give help the fatherless directly so they make sure it gets to where the Spirit tells them it's needed. There are many who do this and it works just fine. <br /><br />The longer we ourselves stay in an apostate church with apostate leaders who have not real authority and who preach and practice completely opposite the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the harder & longer it will be for our children, friends & family members to wake up and see the light too. <br /><br />True prophets continually warn us to wake up to our awful situation today. I believe staying in the LDS Church is like refusing to board personal life rafts & instead staying on the Titanic, a ship no one thought could ever sink either. Anon 23noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-80610678277353127982013-10-11T15:50:57.289-07:002013-10-11T15:50:57.289-07:00It follows right along with the worship of the sta...It follows right along with the worship of the state and its rulers. All people are conditioned to obey and submit to and not to question 'authority' these days.<br />Satan is so happy about this.1https://www.blogger.com/profile/01583545885401871178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-69441433977599276472013-09-26T22:01:31.053-07:002013-09-26T22:01:31.053-07:00Hello,
I have been reading several of your posts ...Hello,<br /><br />I have been reading several of your posts tonight and want to thank you for writing them. I appreciate your perspective. I just had a question (which maybe you've already answered in the comments here but there are so many to go through!)<br /><br />I was curious about where you got this:<br /><br />"That word is received by us in three ways:<br /><br />1. Through scripture, where it is clearly specified as coming through revelation.<br /><br />2. Through the witness of the Holy Ghost<br /><br />3. Through modern revelation.<br /><br />The Lord has very carefully placed conditions on how modern revelation is given and received. He placed these safeguards on the church so that we can differentiate His words from those of the prophets.<br /><br />A revelation must indicate that it has come directly from the mouth of the Lord, for instance being prefaced with the words, "thus saith the Lord"; it will not contradict previously given revelation; it will not violate the doctrine of free agency; it must be written down; the people are to pray about it so that the Holy Ghost may witness to the people that these words truly are of the Lord; and finally the people, having had a witness from the Holy Ghost, are to vote upon the written revelation in conference as having come directly from the Lord and therefore is binding on the whole church."<br /><br />I'm sorry if it's an obvious answer that I should know already as a member of the church. Thanks again for giving another perspective on many church issues, for voicing another side of the story.AKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-55977847463999921512013-07-28T14:55:18.547-07:002013-07-28T14:55:18.547-07:00Dale B.,
I hope what I have to say doesn't of...Dale B.,<br /><br />I hope what I have to say doesn't offend you, but I will have to burst the bubble of your communal living utopia. <br /><br />1. The Law of Consecration and the United Order are two separate things. The first is God's law. The second was a vehicle adapted at the time to try and implement God's law.<br /><br />2. The United Order was never intended to be "communal living". Joseph Smith made very clear that it was not a communal order and that it was an individualistic order. In other words no eating every meal at the community table. No communal ownership of property (the church doesn't own everything). Each individual has legal title to their possessions. No equal distribution of goods, no "if you want a new pair of pants everyone gets a new pair of pants" if approved by the leaders of the collective, etc.... The only thing that went into the Bishop's Storehouse was the excess beyond the family's needs and wants.<br /><br />By the way the Amish own their own property individually and not collectively.<br /><br />3. There were many experiments going on in Mormon communities, in Utah, to try and live the United Order. Orderville being the most famous. Brigham Young saw what other religions in the east and midwest were doing, regarding communal living, and tried to copy them. He was not following revelation, the scriptures or Joseph Smith's instructions regarding the United Order. To paraphrase John Taylor, it was one of Brigham's pet projects not revelation. These experiments failed because they were not following the Lord's instructions in the scriptures and Joseph Smith's understanding of the revelations given to him. Gary Huntnoreply@blogger.com