tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post616223123990496942..comments2024-03-26T21:27:42.278-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: What Is The Law Of The Land?Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-3207392825097488762013-10-14T23:56:36.651-07:002013-10-14T23:56:36.651-07:00Actually, Christ's laws are backed up by a cer...Actually, Christ's laws are backed up by a certain type of force or insistance. When Christ returns and installs his own government, there will be no tolerance for sin, thus there will be punishment applied for sin. <br><br>Moroni, with his perfect understanding, applied righteous force upon those who would not be righteous & do their responsibilities to protect freedom, family or religion. <br><br>Imagine if Moroni lived today & what he would think of & want to do about most everyone, even in the Church, including most all church leaders from the top to the bottom, who go along with evil & don't stand for freedom & family, but who instead voluntarily support socialism & the disintegration of the family, etc.<br><br>RIghteous civil leaders in the Book of Mormon used force to punish serious sin.<br><br>But the difference between Christ & Satan is Christ gives us a choice to either obey his laws or lose our freedom, Satan does not even want us to have a choice at all to error or choose right. But both Christ & Satan use force. If Moroni didn't use force I don't know who did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-78296022873812745492013-10-14T14:01:55.353-07:002013-10-14T14:01:55.353-07:00The only moral laws are the ones which follow the ...The only moral laws are the ones which follow the ten commandments and the non-aggression principle. <br>Government is based on force and operated by theft. It is a completely immoral institution which demands subjection to its 'authority' and will initiate violence for non-compliance to any of its laws.Greg Shttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01583545885401871178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-15649894927296503072012-05-12T21:41:05.241-07:002012-05-12T21:41:05.241-07:00Thanks.I know there always seems to be some trial ...Thanks.<br><br>I know there always seems to be some trial going on in your life, and it's a miracle that you write the posts you do. I appreciate the time you take to post on here (and I don't think I'm the only one). My best to you and Connie.Tonihttp://ljnsvoice.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-79122562646407447822012-05-12T01:38:49.636-07:002012-05-12T01:38:49.636-07:00Coming up, Toni, and thanks for your interest. As...Coming up, Toni, and thanks for your interest. As you know, first Connie had a flirt with death and then I had my own close call (blood poisoning)from which I am recovering slowly. The motivation to sit down and write something is a bit daunting at the moment. But I will have a new post up this month, I promise.Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-11048251336578800462012-05-11T11:51:16.225-07:002012-05-11T11:51:16.225-07:00I know you're busy, and I know you have proble...I know you're busy, and I know you have problems to deal with - but if you'd throw a few crumbs (new posts) out here to us, we'd appreciate it. Like, how about about three posts from the topics on the list you made of possible topics for your blog. Pretty please?Tonihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08336442943292813905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-89546919629358059622012-04-23T13:13:18.564-07:002012-04-23T13:13:18.564-07:00Wow, that video on Mitt Romney was interesting. He...Wow, that video on Mitt Romney was interesting. Here in Australia, LDS are wondering if the media will take our religion (and I mean religion, not necessarily 'church') to school with dirty play- personally, it's evident they don't need to work too hard...Romney does a fine enough job himself. Hopefully the 'shouting from the rooftops' about all those things the church (TM) has done since Brigham asserted dominant control & that Joseph would be ashamed of, will be the beginning of the cleansing so desperately needed before the light can truly shine on the hill.Against The Clocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-45603372757203645742012-04-08T22:10:53.223-07:002012-04-08T22:10:53.223-07:00Regarding the comments about "Mormons for a ...Regarding the comments about "Mormons for a Baptist President", there is this website, which has some nice quotes from President Hinckley in support of the principles that Ron Paul supports.<br> http://mormonsforronpaul.com/MarkinPNWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-51727950252473954892012-03-31T16:30:45.734-07:002012-03-31T16:30:45.734-07:00Anon @ 5:00, Is there any way I could talk to you ...Anon @ 5:00, <br><br>Is there any way I could talk to you through email. I'm so impressed with your ability to see the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-69699697941060891742012-03-31T09:35:43.642-07:002012-03-31T09:35:43.642-07:00You should consider putting this up on LDS Liberty...You should consider putting this up on LDS Liberty. I'm sure they would like to have such a well thought out article on their blog. And, if I'm lucky, the lady would read it and then I could listen to it instead of read through all of it :) .Jonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05518762624199557168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-82956452719879538912012-03-30T22:36:54.241-07:002012-03-30T22:36:54.241-07:00I too, didn't receive updates to my google rea...I too, didn't receive updates to my google reader until the post after this one, I read your last one and many of the comments, good discussion.<br><br>As for the law of the land. That is the conclusion I came to also. Just from reading the scriptures you can come to the same conclusions. It really is a shame that there are so many that don't understand this concept, of course it is much clearer to me now that I read you last post and much of this one. <br><br>Really, when we believe the law of the land means we must obey all the insane ideas of our "rulers" we throw away all the work that the saints did to throw off the oppression of the state, in the Book of Mormon and bible.<br><br>Now, the next step, get people to believe that taxation is theft :) .<br><br>I just got done reading Mosiah, it is interesting how they were living God's law under Mosiah and King Benjamin (and others) and neither taxed their people. It is also interesting how Mosiah even held elections for a new king before going the way of the Judges, I didn't notice that until this reading.<br><br>People confuse Christ as our King like He would be an earthly king, but that's just God using people's "own language" so people get confused. If we take Benjamin and Mosiah as the ideal kings then what would Christ be as a king? I think he wouldn't be any different than he is now.Jonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05518762624199557168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-6695149097535347662012-03-28T10:57:37.751-07:002012-03-28T10:57:37.751-07:00Amen, and Amen.Amen, and Amen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-21294604817240692992012-03-27T08:37:09.278-07:002012-03-27T08:37:09.278-07:00This is a great posting I have read. I like your a...This is a great posting I have read. I like your article...busana muslimhttp://toko-baju-muslim.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-19988706105647079132012-03-25T21:57:58.365-07:002012-03-25T21:57:58.365-07:00Thanks Rock - I didn't understand the differen...Thanks Rock - I didn't understand the difference between law of the land and maritime law. Great Explanation.<br><br>It helps me understand these two scriptures a little better.<br><br>1 Nephi 14:11-12 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over all the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people. And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were few, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters; nevertheless, I beheld that the church of the Lamb, who were the saints of God, were also upon all the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small, because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw.<br><br>Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:John and Jennifer Willishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04899746045646203432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-9342107600244273562012-03-25T05:00:50.255-07:002012-03-25T05:00:50.255-07:00This post is spot on. All too often we are taught ...This post is spot on. All too often we are taught to accept the unrighteous dominion of those in power, whereas God has commanded us to fight against such corruption wherever it is found. Various scriptures support this.<br><br>Some examples include: <br><br>1) In Mosiah 19 we see Gideon attempting to kill King Noah. His rebellion against the government was what saved the Nephites from the Lamanite invasion. He is also held up as a paragon of righteous action, not as a wicked man.<br><br>2) Captain Moroni in Alma 60 threatens to kill all the corrupt leaders that are withholding support to the troops. This is direct rebellion against the authority of man, but this letter is contained in a book where only less than a hundredth of the record is written. It is held as an archetype of righteous behavior, and even Pahoran praises him for it.<br><br>3) Many prophets of old fought against wickedness in the leaders of their people, such as Jeremiah, Isaiah, just to name a few. In fact if Jeremiah had not rebelled, Lehi never would have found the truth, and as a consequence we wouldn't have the Book of Mormon.<br><br>4) Even Christ himself, the exemplar of all righteousness actively cast out the wicked money changers from the temple of God. He rebelled against wickedness and corruption in Israel, which was supposed to be God's people. He didn't bow down to nor cow-tow beneath the gaze of the Sanhedrin, nor Herod nor Pilate.<br><br>In JST, MARK 9:42–47 we read:<br>“42. And again, if thy foot offend thee, cut it off; for he that is thy standard, by whom thou walkest, if he become a transgressor, he shall be cut off.<br><br> 43. It is better for thee, to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell; into the fire that never shall be quenched.<br><br> 44. Therefore, let every man stand or fall, by himself, and not for another; or not trusting another.<br><br> 45. Seek unto my Father, and it shall be done in that very moment what ye shall ask, if ye ask in faith, believing that ye shall receive.<br><br> 46. And if thine eye which seeth for thee, him that is appointed to watch over thee to show thee light, become a transgressor and offend thee, pluck him out.<br><br> 47. It is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God, with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.”<br><br>Ultimately as disciples of Christ we must not accept authority besides His, especially in His church and kingdom. Any worldly authority that we obey is only because we accept what they teach and say. We must discern for ourselves the truthfulness and righteousness of their commands and act accordingly. We are commanded to rebel and fight against wickedness no matter where it lay, which teaching is directly contrary to what the current “leaders” of the Church teach, so as to exert greater control over the membership. Is this not unrighteous dominion? Is this not wickedness? Is this not the very works of Satan that we were born to fight against? Yes it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-2265254407744518842012-03-23T21:22:36.154-07:002012-03-23T21:22:36.154-07:00At least the Baptists are preaching Christ's g...At least the Baptists are preaching Christ's gospel of 'unconditional true love' in marriage, more than any other church today, with their movie "Fireproof". <br><br>While the LDS church is preaching & encouraging the disintegration & abandonment of marriage & family, by allowing divorce & remarriage for any reason whatsoever, no questions asked, over & over as many times as you want, without any consequences & even with the added incentive to be able to collect many wives by multiple divorces & sealings. Thus their high divorce rate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-91406799230813671982012-03-23T13:00:52.620-07:002012-03-23T13:00:52.620-07:00I'd join, Steve.I'd join, Steve.Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-13674312510301229652012-03-23T11:59:49.073-07:002012-03-23T11:59:49.073-07:00I've been thinking of starting a group: Mormo...I've been thinking of starting a group: Mormons for a Baptist President. What do you think, Rock?Stevehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13745901786962474174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-88469087068515419922012-03-22T21:11:09.704-07:002012-03-22T21:11:09.704-07:00Thanks for that link, Anonymous. For those who ha...Thanks for that link, Anonymous. For those who haven't seen it, this news report is labeled "Mitt Romney Denies Key Tenet of His Faith."Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-37439995636878536802012-03-22T10:32:49.111-07:002012-03-22T10:32:49.111-07:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiQdIwUrejchttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiQdIwUrejcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-22358380391077966252012-03-21T07:44:06.194-07:002012-03-21T07:44:06.194-07:00Dead Poet,You are the second blogger who has told ...Dead Poet,<br>You are the second blogger who has told me that the updates are not occurring. Beats me why this is happening, but I'm looking into it. Hopefully someone at Blogspot help will hear my plea.<br><br>And yes, all that legalese is admittedly overkill. But some people, like the obstreperous member I mentioned at the start of the addendum, will refuse to entertain even the possibility that someone else's position could be valid unless they are hit over the head with it by the proper "authorities."Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-49358205769347693562012-03-20T19:33:32.928-07:002012-03-20T19:33:32.928-07:00Thanks Rock.I probably already mentioned this in t...Thanks Rock.<br><br>I probably already mentioned this in the previous post, but I found your explanation of the law of the land very helpful in resolving the myriad apparent contradictions that occur when we subordinate the commandments to human legislation. It just never made sense to me. Why would God even bother giving men a law if he included such a gigantic loophole that they were justified in disobeying it however they wanted -- they just need the stamp of (earthly) government approval on their behavior! It would be impossible to establish the Kingdom of Heaven under those circumstances. You can't bring peace to Earth if you're required to engage in violence at the whim of others, for example. Such a God is even more dim-witted than I am! I couldn't reconcile that with what I've been taught about God since childhood.<br><br>Well, it should've been obvious where to look for the answer: If it didn't make sense, then one of my premises was wrong. In this case I was mistaken in my understanding that the scriptural injunction to obey the law of the land meant that we should obey anything legislated by our government... Ah, well, the Man above turned out smarter than me after all. God - 1, Jeremiah - 0.Jeremiah Stoddardhttp://www.jeremiahstoddard.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-26740211078829786342012-03-20T19:33:24.828-07:002012-03-20T19:33:24.828-07:00I just wanted to let you know that I have not rece...I just wanted to let you know that I have not received updates to my feed through Google of your last 2 posts. I have no idea if you can fix it, or if it is their problem. I even deleted and resubscribed, but it remains stuck on the last installment of Infallible Authority.<br><br>This post is very good, and very confusing. Not because I can't wrap my head around the change in the definition of the law of the land (I wasn't raised Mormon), but because of all the legalese. Oh well.Dead Poethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09903125060174519559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-7557725702678238552012-03-20T18:12:11.306-07:002012-03-20T18:12:11.306-07:00Hi Rock, I really enjoyed your remarks and agree c...Hi Rock, I really enjoyed your remarks and agree completely with your assesment on what the "law of the land" actually is. I couldn't tell you the number of debates that I have had and the deep frustration that I have had on this topic. The Prophet Joseph said that we would be foolish to live any law that is not contitutional. I eventually realized that those that believe "the law of the land" is any thing the government tells you it is, are not Israelites. The Lord said that in the last days He would put His law in the hearts of His people and in their inward parts. I came to believe this because of the extreme attitudes of some LDS people. One in paticular I remember, I asked this good LDS man if he would kill his innocent neighbor if the government or the "law of the land" told him to and he replied that he would. So I have decided that these types are not Israelites but are gentiles, and quit debateing such. The prunneing will take care of such unintelligent psuedo Mormons. Sincerely Brand Nu ThorntonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-37337295550498820592012-03-20T13:28:27.919-07:002012-03-20T13:28:27.919-07:00Fine, Rock. But can you DOCUMENT it? ...Fine, Rock. But can you DOCUMENT it?<br><br> :)Gaybob Spongebathnoreply@blogger.com