tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post5427283906573438423..comments2024-03-13T12:52:19.391-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: Why Do We Keep Celebrating Disobedience?Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger192125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-42783110133505103452015-12-16T11:59:51.787-08:002015-12-16T11:59:51.787-08:00There are no easy answers here. If the Americans w...There are no easy answers here. If the Americans would not have intervened, together with the Canadians, during World War II, we would now all speak German. They even thought it more important to liberate Europe first than to conquer Japan, their real enemy.<br />May God bless all those foreign boys who lost their precious lives on our shores.R. Metzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15875261161185193692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-76492921944401050202015-01-16T14:57:21.677-08:002015-01-16T14:57:21.677-08:00I really enjoyed this post Rock. Back in 2004 afte...I really enjoyed this post Rock. Back in 2004 after returning home from my mission I was set apart as one of the gospel doctrine teachers. I remember specifically teaching this section of the Book of Mormon. I remember vividly my dad warning me not to bring up anything inflammatory concerning the Iraq War. <br /><br />I was a bit nervous but after studying and praying I knew what I would have to teach. Thankfully for prayer and asking for there to be a spirit of understanding and learning I stuck with the scriptures and teachings of the prophets and used other source material not suggested by the Sunday school guide. <br /><br />My class was one that the Bishop of the ward attended. Before long it was the class making comments about the errors of our pre-emotive strikes and wars of aggression. Even the Bishop was offering similar comments. Even when I posed the question if the current war was justified there wasn't one person in the class that attempted to defend it.<br /><br />Take into account that this wasn't a ward in a liberal leaning area, but one in the reddest of red areas of rural Southeast Idaho.<br /><br />There definitely remains times that I'm pleasantly surprised by members.Colt H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13096177768238594680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-60746744806003519172013-11-29T23:12:20.480-08:002013-11-29T23:12:20.480-08:00Here is a great article by Butler Shaffer over at ...Here is a great article by Butler Shaffer over at lewrockwell.com. <br /><br />http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/11/butler-shaffer/the-commies-are-coming-the-commies-are-coming/Gary Huntnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-81434799721529803172013-11-29T20:36:08.819-08:002013-11-29T20:36:08.819-08:00War is the art of being a victim, or a victor. War...War is the art of being a victim, or a victor. War is how we justify ourselves in doing wrong to our brother. <br /><br />Most assuredly if the Kingdom is "within" ourselves, then the war is within ourselves also. When we war against our brother, we war against ourselves. We war against our brother, because internally, we are at war against ourselves, and we don't want to admit our weakness and inability to deal with our own reality. <br /><br />War is the art if internal in-congruence, and how we justify existing unrepentant in our own sin before God. Blaming someone else for why "I cannot change". War is finger pointing. <br /><br />War also is Basket Ball, Finnway Park, NFL Gladiators, and friendly Lions Club pool competitions. War is becoming a team of people so that later, we can polish our fingernails after we ground some poor schmucks in the dirt for 60 minutes better than they did to us. <br /><br />War something else altogether. War is also not nourishing our bodies, our souls our wives, our children both spiritually and temporally as they should be. A church cannot be 1 as a people, until the people each personally decide to become congruent within themselves. Only single, whole, congruent, healthy people can inherit the Kingdom. <br /><br />Perhaps if you think I wax preachy and hypocritical, let me stop you short... I was and still to some degree, still am guilty of all the above. I was one of the best at war. But it nearly destroyed me. <br /><br />It's been 12 hard years of repenting. James Brian Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07889997109571762096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-81085772079707881662013-08-30T14:31:09.468-07:002013-08-30T14:31:09.468-07:00Now see? If I had the gift of writing half as well...Now see? If I had the gift of writing half as well as Alissa Mint just did above, THAT would have been what my original post looked like!<br /><br />Well done, Alissa. You encapsulated all the truth I've been trying to get across.Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-57392098405691751032013-08-07T13:38:28.766-07:002013-08-07T13:38:28.766-07:00Allisa Mint,
Thank you for your kind words. I wou...Allisa Mint,<br /><br />Thank you for your kind words. I would have responded sooner but I have been out of town this last week.<br /><br />I believe it's okay to do "huffing and puffing and ranting" because it is an outward sign of the emotion and passion which helps motivate all of us to action. Sometimes people will huff and puff about silly or illogical things. You do not. You are a very good writer who's ideas demonstate your intelligence, understanding, and passion. In other words you ain't no "silly, helpless girl". <br /><br />I think that many of us have felt (and feel) the same feelings and frustrations you describe. The trick is to not let it get us down and/or hurt our health. When I start getting those feelings I like to take a walk and think (work) things out in my mind by putting them into proper perspective. Another technique I like to use is to sit down somewhere quiet, close my eyes and take in a deep breath and imagine the energy going into different parts of my body and returning to my lungs. Then I slowly exhale. "In with the good air, out with the bad air". It really works for me.<br /><br />Finally, here's the original (until last week I didn't know there was an original), unwatered down version of Reinhold Niebuhr's "Serenity Prayer"...<br /><br />"God, give me grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed, Courage to change the things which should be changed, and the Wisdom to distinguish the one from the other. Living one day at a time, Enjoying one moment at a time, Accepting hardship as a pathway to peace, Taking, as Jesus did, This sinful world as it is, Not as I would have it, Trusting that You will make all things right, If I surrender to Your will, So that I may be reasonably happy in this life, And supremely happy with You forever in the next. Amen."<br /><br />BTW I really love your line..."Big money attracts big rats."... and your perspective on the "rock" (Holy Ghost)we are supposed to build upon. Growing up I learned it as the "rock of revelation", which could be taken as revelation through the church leaders or revelation through the Holy Ghost. The emphasis was usually put on the former and not the later.Gary Huntnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-61051388774113361242013-07-29T19:18:34.709-07:002013-07-29T19:18:34.709-07:00Thank you Gary and I love you for being so nice. I...Thank you Gary and I love you for being so nice. I'm huffing and puffing and ranting because it is just so clear that something is indeed wrong in zion. I have a knot in my gut and a pain in my head over it. Half our membership is inactive from boredom. The gifts of the spirit seem to be manifested less and less. It's like Mr Waterman said to me once about the church seemed to be running on fumes. I just feel like such a silly, helpless girl and I don't really know what to do about any of it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015388313921723449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-75429770401100954292013-07-28T20:27:33.588-07:002013-07-28T20:27:33.588-07:00Allisa Mint,
Well said. Allisa Mint,<br /><br />Well said. Gary Huntnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-10188552684061682372013-07-27T05:37:57.041-07:002013-07-27T05:37:57.041-07:00I just read Mr Waterman's essay on How Corpora...I just read Mr Waterman's essay on How Corporatism Has Undermined and Subverted The Church of Jesus Christ. The essay brought tears to my eyes and left me feeling sick. However, it does not surprise me. Big money attracts big rats. It always has. We like to believe that our modern church has been kept immune even though it is clear that the ancient churches were not. <br /><br />Christ said that he would build his church upon the Rock of his gospel. Christ repeatedly defined exactly what that Rock is. Now let me be as clear as I can possibly be as to what the Rock is because this is absolutely critical. The gospel is just ONE thing. The gospel is the gift of the holy ghost. It bears repeating:<br /><br />The fulness of the gospel of Jesus Chris is the gift of the holy ghost.<br />The fulness of the gospel of Jesus Chris is the gift of the holy ghost.<br />The fulness of the gospel of Jesus Chris is the gift of the holy ghost.<br />The fulness of the gospel of Jesus Chris is the gift of the holy ghost.<br />The fulness of the gospel of Jesus Chris is the gift of the holy ghost.<br />The fulness of the gospel of Jesus Chris is the gift of the holy ghost.<br /><br />The Lord explains in 84:54-59 why everything is turning to sheet. It is because we have treated the gospel lightly rather than as the most important and powerful gift given to mortals.<br /><br />Now here's my point and the whole of the matter regarding the awfulness of our situation: Christ declared that the church was to be built upon the Rock of [the gift of the holy ghost] which provides us a consistent (not hit or miss), on-demand (like opening your eyes for sight), full volume (not a wispy intuition) access to ALL truth. With this gift activated, we would do the works that Christ did and even greater! That is the test that is given you to know if you have your gift truly activated or you are using a pretend version of the gift.<br /><br />Here is what must be clarified and underlined: the church is built upon the Rock of the gospel. It is not the other way around!!!! Somehow we have allowed that simple truth to be perv'd into the gospel being built upon the Rock of the Church. <br />IT IS NOT TRUE!<br />IT IS NOT TRUE!<br />IT IS NOT TRUE!<br /><br />What happens when the gospel (ie. the gift of the holy ghost) is erroneously accepted to be built upon the church? First of all the gifts of the spirit begin disappearing. Then you have officials come 'round claiming the authority to cancel your celestial passport if you are not aligned to the church policy manual because they are employed as the kingdom's gatekeepers. Before you know it there is a turnkey tyranny NSA data center being built in your backyard and you are being told to pay it no attention because all is well in zion!<br /><br />I am sure that this all sounds off-the-chart apostate to many that will read this. So how do we know for sure if what I have postulated is evil and apostate? How can we know the truth and not be deceived? There has only been one answer EVER given to those questions. The answer is the activation of a portal within each of us. This amazing portal is within each and every one of us. It has always been there just like our heart or spleen or liver. It just needs to be activated. The activation is the gift that the holy ghost gives. The activation is the gift of the holy ghost.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015388313921723449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-36104163918543857522013-07-22T20:05:52.202-07:002013-07-22T20:05:52.202-07:00I was working at the Bishop's Storehouse today...I was working at the Bishop's Storehouse today. I think it is a wonderful program, but something struck me as I was shelving in the huge warehouse. Everything I stocked were commercial brands, bought and trucked in. What I'm saying is that I didn't see anything that we make locally anymore. In a disaster scenario would members be any better off than non-members after the short-lived storehouse buffer was divvied out. And in a time of great shortages would we be willing to defend our storehouse from the desperate anger of a surrounding non-member community? Oh well, I thought to myself, I leave all that worry in the Lord's hands.<br /><br />On the way back to campus, I rode my bike past several homeless people and several panhandlers with sad cardboard signs. I know some kids in my class that live in their cars. Only 40% of US workers have full time jobs because companies don't need to pay benefits to part-time and contract workers. 50 million households can't afford to buy food every month and thus rely on food stamps and food banks and charity. Some estimates say it is as high as 80 million people when the unregistered are included. The Fed continues to print money unbacked by new production or corresponding wealth. Entire cities the size of Stockton and Detroit are declaring bankruptcy. Existing wealth is being concentrated into 1% of the population. Manufacturing continues to be moved offshore at alarming rates. The government continues to engage in new costly foreign wars like Syria and Iran. The BRIC nation alliance is working hard to remove the US dollar as the accepted global petro dollar. I won't even start on what is being done to our national food supply especially by Monsanto via GMO and terminator seeds. Foreign corporations are buying the exclusive rights to our remaining viable fresh water sources. I don't need to go on because I think everyone already knows and in fact probably knows even more about the awfulness of our situation than I do. <br /><br />Here's my point. Government no longer serves people but rather protects the interests of mega corporations. The homeless situation and people living in cars and unemployment and hunger is like a spreading wild fire. <br /><br />It's time to break our dependence on government and stop believing that if we can just get our guy into the Whitehouse then all will be well. It's time to stop believing that another wrong-headed costly government program is going to fix everything. Or that more government legislation such as raising the minimum wage will be the answer. It's time that we as people in our own community start our own programs and start producing. <br /><br />Here is an example of what I'm talking about. I recently joined a community group that is constructing multiple mini aquaponic and multiponic grow operations that are incredibly efficient at producing paying jobs for anyone that needs one and massive amounts of GOOD food in very small areas and use only a tenth the water and energy required by big agri soil-based mono-crops that are laden with pesticides & herbicides & chemical fertilizers and is GMO non-nutritive frankenfood garbage. <br /><br />I see other projects like this happening locally in housing, energy production and healthcare. Local communities CAN break their dependence on the big centralized segments. People producing locally could render the biggies irrelevant in as little as a decade. If we don't do this then you don't want to be living here when the Robin Hood syndrome kicks into gear.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015388313921723449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-21774608514676083872013-07-22T10:22:43.453-07:002013-07-22T10:22:43.453-07:00@Allisa,
Before there were Mormon blogs (long bef...@Allisa,<br /><br />Before there were Mormon blogs (long before) I found it interesting to read little tidbits of the early conference reports, and I can remember finding it interesting how often the 'bondage' to the 'eastern' bankers was mentioned by early church leaders.<br /><br />It's been there all along, I suspect, but it just got deeper. I also believe that either President Woodruff went into bondage with them again or was trying to get out when he, suddenly, died. That is a mystery.<br /><br />I had heard the same thing about President Lee; his death was so sudden and unexpected. Well, it happens all the time in the 'world', so why not in the church?<br /><br />As for the NSA data center, I know there is no perfect place to live, but I am glad to be thousands of miles from there--<br /><br />So sad to hear; all of it.<br /><br />LDSDPernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-61050791542276941842013-07-21T15:15:02.585-07:002013-07-21T15:15:02.585-07:00I rode my bike from campus down to Camp Williams y...I rode my bike from campus down to Camp Williams yesterday. The day was blazing hot and the trail along the Jordan River was just incredibly beautiful. My face was redder than my hair by the time I got to Camp Williams. On the west side of Redwood Road lay the infamous Bluffdale NSA data center! Through the construction gate, I could smell the stench of Satan's smoke and hear the clicks of his hoofs as he walked the grounds inspecting the progress of the NSA data center. haha. Actually, there wasn't a lot I could see; a lot of confusing construction and you can't get all that very close. I took some pictures but I guess I can't post them here. <br /><br />Joel Skousen and a couple hundred people did a July 4th protest where I was sitting on my bike. I missed the event so I can't say how big it was. Most folks around here seem to feel that if there was anything to worry about with the NSA data center, then our Prophet and Apostles would tell us what to do. A lot of others just feel that if there might be some kind of job - any kind of decent paying job out of there then they don't care if Satan literally is building his endtimes cathedral in Bluffdale. <br /><br />Then there are those that believe we are not going to hear anything from the church leadership about the NSA facility. I was told by a one-legged man selling jerky out the back of his truck parked at the side of the road. I was grateful for a chair to rest in, and for something to eat and drink. This is the story that the one-legged man told me: In 1966 the church leaders got into hot water by securing, with church properties, some big loans from Chase Manhatten Bank to buy land that later became the Florida Deseret Ranch in Orlando. When things didn't work out as quickly as hoped, the two trusted advisors that had promoted and arranged this whole transaction for the church presidency mysteriously disappeared. The church was in trouble and in real danger of losing temple square unless the loan could be serviced! The one-legged man continued: Amazingly, Robert Vincent de Oliverri, the second richest Rothschild in the world, apparently was baptized that same year and wrote a check to pay off the entire Rockefeller bank debt. However, some insiders say that there is some evidence that the generous payoff was not totally selfless and that shares of the Corporation of the Presidency were given for the timely donation. <br /><br />The church building programs and huge BYU expansion and many other programs took off immediately after that and have grown into hugely successful financially projects. It is also said that one of the largest money laundering operations in the world is run within those church programs and that Harold B. Lee was given a shot of potassium chloride to simulate a heart attack when he attempted to make public the church corporation ownership to the church members by changing a corporate amendment. Is there any truth in it or is it all total nonsense? I'm sure that I don't know. All I know is I got some free buffalo jerky and an interesting tale. <br /><br />Many would say that the Lord would never permit such a thing to happen. My grandma used to refuse any idea that the Lord would allow the temple ceremony to be made public. I'd say Gran, it's on the internet and I can show you. No it's not! she would insist. The Lord would destroy anyone that reveals the sacred ceremonies. But I can show you Gran. I don't need to look. It's not there! For myself, I've never thought that all the historical exposee nonsense about who supposedly did this or supposedly said that has any matter. In fact, rather than try to explain my thoughts on all that here, I think I will save it for a separate post because - to me it is the crux and whole of the matter.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015388313921723449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-23139282903133815772013-07-09T17:07:54.503-07:002013-07-09T17:07:54.503-07:00Ah, you are welcome. How difficult to lose your p...Ah, you are welcome. How difficult to lose your parents so young!!!<br /><br />I can only imagine that you don't take people for granted!!!<br /><br />I'm sorry--<br /><br />I mean, for the loss, not that you don't take people for granted--<br /><br />LDSDPernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-20585881031405794122013-07-09T11:51:23.851-07:002013-07-09T11:51:23.851-07:00LDSDPer, I have read several of your previous post...LDSDPer, I have read several of your previous posts on this site. I consider you to be a person of wisdom, strength and compassion. I appreciate you and send you my love. I suddenly lost both my parents when I was 14. I was young but I still vividly remember my dad playing guitar and singing me an old VietNam era song: Reflections of My Life. Oh how they fill my eyes....There is so much for me to learn from people like you. Yes. We are on the same page. Thank you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015388313921723449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-88363607014990136392013-07-09T09:18:32.150-07:002013-07-09T09:18:32.150-07:00Allisa, I understand. :)
I spent years studying ...Allisa, I understand. :)<br /><br />I spent years studying Isaiah--<br /><br />I've tried to do it on my own. There was a time when I couldn't put it down, and I had a very hard time understanding the lack of interest so many of my fellow LDS had--<br /><br />so I think we're on the 'same page'--<br /><br />I am afraid, however, that I grew weary. I got to the point where I realized I could only change myself.<br /><br />Your words ring true.<br /><br />LDSDPernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-32524828857578929632013-07-09T09:07:44.527-07:002013-07-09T09:07:44.527-07:00lol, no LDSPer, I'm not passing out membership...lol, no LDSPer, I'm not passing out membership applications for the Harbinger club and newsletter. The only reason that I brought The Harbinger up was to illustrate just how impossibly precise and how densely substantive are the words of Isaiah. Every single detail of 9:10 has been fulfilled in our day and eerily verified by the heads of our government by actually quoting that previously unknown verse to describe the 9/11 situation. So as with ancient Israel, we will not even consider changing our ways either, but rather defiantly insist on rebuilding even stronger - and btw, if there is a God (and we doubt it) then just get out of the way because we don't need you mucking up the waters. And thus we see the prophetic fulfillment of 2 Nephi 19 happening right before our eyes in our day. Maybe all those Isaiah chapters stuck into the BoM actually contain more than just filler. Maybe Isaiah is in there because it is of vital importance for us to understand his words. <br /><br />However, one thing is clear: for a people that prides itself on having the unspeakable gift of the holy ghost and a living prophet, Isaiah pretty much remains a sealed book to us. Take a look at Bruce's chapter summary for 2 Nephi 19. All he sees in 19 is Unto us a child is born and he will reign on David's throne. McConkie does not stand alone here because none of our brilliant LDS commentaries and BYU professor's of religion had a clue either. And the prophet seems to have been busy repeating amusing anecdotes of how he met his wife. So we hold our ineffectual meetings and smile fondly at our children goosesteppng around the primary room to the catchy tune of Follow the Prophet, and we just know all is well in zion. Maybe we should be at least asking what can be done to heal our blindness, but instead we just say Aw, the hell with it and whatever happens happens. I mean, c'mon - there's nuthin' we can do about it anyways. And we sure as heck don't need some mouthy little red haired girl chattering on about nothing and gettin' folks all riled up.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015388313921723449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-26474818680695388312013-07-08T06:56:34.590-07:002013-07-08T06:56:34.590-07:00I've appreciated reading this--
I have been w...I've appreciated reading this--<br /><br />I have been wary of the Harbinger, because it seems to have a 'following', and I'm a suspicious person--LOL!<br /><br />But there are those who can sift--<br /><br />I read a little about it, so I couldn't be completely fair--on the site for it--<br /><br />and I get the idea that it is about how America should 'save' the world or could have saved the world, but it has been the exact opposite--<br /><br />or something. And I have a 'fear' that many LDS and other Christians will get the idea that social conservativism and more laws against 'evil' will somehow take care of the problem, which--<br /><br />I don't agree with that. Does the man who writes the Harbinger acknowledge the existence of global secret combinations, or does he just believe that if Americans make more laws against social 'evil', things will be all right?<br /><br />I used to love Elder Oaks' talks, but since he began to talk about how important it is to make more laws (against homosexual marriage, etc.--and I don't believe that government should be involved in marriage at all, which would pretty much take care of the homosexual challenge there)--<br /><br />I began to feel that most members of the church believe that evil is only in social 'crimes' (such as abortion, fornication, etc.--and, yes, I am very much against abortion personally, but the laws are a mess)---<br /><br />I think that being 'against' things is part of the problem; if more righteous people could be for:<br /><br />purity (without trying to impose it on others)<br />helping those who can't take care of their babies, so they aren't tempted to destroy them--<br /><br />then maybe that is the real answer--<br /><br />I got the idea that the man who wrote the Harbinger started from a premise of:<br /><br />if America made more strict abortion laws and set up laws against homosexuality all would be well--<br /><br />whereas, heterosexual people are at least as much of the problem, in terms of divorce, remarriage, etc.--<br /><br />So, maybe I haven't given the harbinger a chance, but I have been focusing on the Book of Mormon--<br /><br />As for what is happening with the World Trade Center, etc.--<br /><br />I have had nothing to do with any of that. I feel that the choices an individual makes are more important than worrying about how rotten the society has become--<br /><br />because, frankly, I can't do anything about what is happening in Washington or New York--<br /><br />or the tangle of laws that have become such a worry to so many LDS--<br /><br />I can be faithful to mine and to God--and I can't do more than that--<br /><br />so, let happen what will happen--<br /><br />:(LDSDPernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-85055243897981620162013-07-02T16:27:35.909-07:002013-07-02T16:27:35.909-07:00Allisa Mint,
Thank you for the information. I wat...Allisa Mint,<br /><br />Thank you for the information. I watched the video you referenced and was amazed by the stories of the sycamore tree, the church surviving/ cracked foundation and the founding of this country etc... and how they relate to Isaiah 9:10. <br /><br />There was one part where I couldn't help but laugh. It was the part where Rabbi Cahn brought up the examples of the two politicians quoting Isaiah 9:10. Sorry, but politicians ("native American criminal class") quoting scripture is very funny. They are as far removed from godliness as one can get. Who are they trying to fool? I guess people bought it.<br /><br />Isaiah 9 and 2 Nephi 19, and also remainder of the Book of Mormon, are written specifically for us today. We need to read the Book of Mormon and study, ponder and pray about it! Then we can come to an understanding of what it says and actually believe it! I believe that the main problem we have today is that we don't believe the Book of Mormon. <br /><br />By the way, I did find Gileadi's translation of Isaiah online and found that it does bring more clarity to this book of scripture. Now I have a lot more reading and studying to do.<br /><br />I agree that this thread is both appropriate and timely. I read where One World Trade Center, which was formerly named the "Freedom Tower" (pandering to the public), will be done early in 2014, so we better get repenting. And yes, the new name does better fit its true purpose.<br /><br />Again, thank you for the information. I feel like you've given me a key piece of the puzzle. Gary Huntnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-52743175206619204322013-07-01T18:40:40.624-07:002013-07-01T18:40:40.624-07:00A messianic rabbi, Jonathan Cahn, wrote a book abo...A messianic rabbi, Jonathan Cahn, wrote a book about Isaiah 9:10, The Harbinger, that has been on New York Best Sellers list for months. There are a ton of youtube videos elaborating the amazing book's content such as this one:<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHSs73IAoPs&list=PL1DADB3CB66C7C007&index=7<br /><br />It details how not every building was destroyed at ground zero on 9/11. There was a small chapel at exactly ground zero that was left untouched except for a warning crack in the foundation. It was to this chapel that George Washington, immediately after his presidential inauguration, walked the entire first sitting government of the United States and knelt in prayer at that chapel, dedicating this land to the glory of God and made a specific covenant with the Lord. We don't like to talk about these parts of our nation's history in our secular public schools. <br /><br />When you see or read The Harbinger story, you begin to see just how exact and dense Isaiah's writings are. Although we treat Isaiah's inclusion of certain chapters into the Book of Mormon like it is merely filler material to be skipped over - in spite of the Lord's strong admonition in 3 Nephi that we pay careful attention to the writings of Isaiah. <br /><br />Isaiah 9 is contained in 2 Nephi 19. Isaiah's writings are included in the BoM because it has precise relevance to us in the land of Jacob and to our day!<br /><br />There is only one of the nine warnings left to be fulfilled and that is the completion of what was originally named the Freedom Tower. The name of course has now been changed to the One World Trade Center which probably better reflects it's true purpose. <br /><br />The rest of Isaiah 9 (or 2 Nephi 19) goes on to detail what would happen next if we refused to repent as a nation and change our ways. The prognosis for America is horrific to say the very least. btw I like Gileadi's translation of Isaiah that he did at BYU under his mentor Hugh Nibley. It is more understandable than the KJV of Isaiah. <br /><br />Mr Waterman started this thread by suggesting a day of national repentance. In light of Isaiah 9, he could not have posed a more appropriate and timely idea. So take a look at one of the videos like the one I posted above and let me know what you think.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015388313921723449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-65012468272428547832013-07-01T11:54:13.670-07:002013-07-01T11:54:13.670-07:00Allisa Mint,
Very good comments. They remind me o...Allisa Mint,<br /><br />Very good comments. They remind me of some things others have said many years ago.<br /><br />Speaking about President Teddy Roosevelt, Mark Twain, who met him twice, judged that he was "clearly insane,". <br /><br />Mark Twain also said "It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly native American criminal class except Congress."<br /><br />The great H. L. Menken said... "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods. He also said... "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."<br /><br />One of my favorite quotes by H. L. Menkin is this..."The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable." He came to the same conclusion you and many of us have.<br /><br />By the way, where did you learn about Isaiah 9? It sounds very interesting. I've never read it that way before. Gary Huntnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-33742742837549774412013-06-28T12:18:17.456-07:002013-06-28T12:18:17.456-07:00When I saw John Mccain call for the invasion of Ho...When I saw John Mccain call for the invasion of Hong Kong in order to get Snowden, and Donald Trump calling for Snowden's execution without due process, and just because Snowden dared defend the constitution and whistleblow on the secret combinations - it was then that I realized that America is now being run by the criminally insane. Isaiah 9 speaks of nine warnings that would be given to the land of Jacob followed by 3 judgements. We received the first judgement in 2008, exactly seven years following the nine warnings that America's divine protection had been removed. The second judgement will occur seven years after the 2008 judgement and it is going to be massive. The final judgement follows seven years after that and will be the destruction of our country. Our land will be healed only if we can repent as did Ninevah otherwise it will follow the exact pattern laid down anciently resulting in Israel's destruction and enslavement.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16015388313921723449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-21087465647957192492013-06-24T17:40:10.448-07:002013-06-24T17:40:10.448-07:00Well, if she and you don't mind, I'm glad ...Well, if she and you don't mind, I'm glad to have the answer. She mentioned the neurologist, and my mind had been on that--<br /><br />this sounds very good; sometimes progress really is made!!! :)<br /><br />It's all right; I just didn't want to put pressure on either of you, this being a 'public' blog--<br /><br />I appreciate the information. Especially since I will not have access to a computer (or phone) for a time--<br /><br />:)<br /><br />LDSDPernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-36209101071502951542013-06-24T14:19:02.510-07:002013-06-24T14:19:02.510-07:00Oh well, I just answered above, DPer, but I'll...Oh well, I just answered above, DPer, but I'll tell Connie and she'll look forward to another chat.Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-18528841609243789502013-06-24T14:17:44.061-07:002013-06-24T14:17:44.061-07:00Regarding Connie, we have just started seeing a ne...Regarding Connie, we have just started seeing a new neurologist who is giving us hope. Tests were run last week the like of which no earlier neurologist has bothered with, so this guy seems to be looking in areas no one heretofor has thought to bother about. She was given botox injections in her neck which have been shown to numb some nerves, and that has helped some with the mystery pain that has been going into her head. Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-83778757495648682062013-06-24T13:42:52.626-07:002013-06-24T13:42:52.626-07:00Actually, Rock, don't answer on here; just pas...Actually, Rock, don't answer on here; just pass on to Connie that, though we will be without technology for a time, I am planning to call again after we have the equipment again (it's not a crisis, just a happening)--<br /><br />We've talked about privacy; this is awkward on here--<br /><br />just pass it on. So please don't answer. Thanks--<br /><br />(not trying to tell you what to do here--LOL!)<br /><br />It's just my gut feeling--<br /><br /><br /><br />LDSDPernoreply@blogger.com