tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post3835738479029854255..comments2024-03-26T21:27:42.278-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: Over-Ruling JesusAlan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger72125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-20630651400959817252017-09-23T14:34:48.422-07:002017-09-23T14:34:48.422-07:00Wow, Rock, did not know you took the Old Testament...Wow, Rock, did not know you took the Old Testament that seriously; to remove unclean foods. I did that decades ago, not by any edict from the Church or a Person, but from God. As you say, it is personal, and between you and God, but that he same time, it says a lot, about becoming submissive to the will off God and becoming Israel. <br /><br />The Lord told me decades ago, concerning this matter, that one cannot live a higher law, unless they are still living the lower or lesser law. <br /><br />In the Millennium it appears that the rules of diet will even be s stricter or more elevated; even animals will loose their propensity to kill and eat flesh; if we take what scripture says as truth. <br /><br />I found that in my life, the more I was enlightened , the more my diet changed to be like the one first imposed upon Adam and Eve. I was always told by the Church and members that, the Gospel is more then food and drink, but when you read the warnings and blessing of the Word of Wisdom and etc, that statement seems more false then true.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10632785288526440644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-50432649174654451772013-03-02T00:56:22.993-08:002013-03-02T00:56:22.993-08:00This idea that we take our physical addictions int...This idea that we take our physical addictions into the next life with us is one I do not find supported in scripture. If it were true, then the pain your body experiences here would continue after you left your body. Does your doctor presume that the dependency your body has on Big Pharma's synthetic drugs will somehow magically dissipate while your dependency on a plant would continue? He is spreading Mormon urban legends.<br><br>This is why I advocate looking only to actual scripture and revelation for our doctrine, and not to cultural myth.<br><br>Some medical marijuana patients here in California have found that it is best not to share with their general practitioner the fact that they use medical marijuana, since many mainstream doctors are motivated by fear of federal persecution, while others simply don't believe anyone really needs more than mild pain relief for even the most intense pain. Many here who find medical marijuana beneficial get their prescription from a doctor who is more concerned about the patient's wellbeing, while keeping mum about it to their GP. Utah doctors are notoriously unsympathetic to their patients who experience pain, and are very stingy with any pain medications. I wish you well.<br><br>I don't know how it is today, but during the era of Baseball Baptisms, mission presidents were under intense pressure to compete with one another in numbers of baptisms. It's no surprise that your mission president considered welfare work unproductive since it didn't help him achieve his personal goals.<br><br>We would all do well to stop looking to Church "leaders" to lead us (and that would include any LDS authority figures such as doctors), but to instead follow the spirit and live the religion of Christ from within.Rock Watermannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-90997869730099722892013-03-01T21:34:49.847-08:002013-03-01T21:34:49.847-08:00Great job Anon.! It would be wonderful if all mis...Great job Anon.! It would be wonderful if all missionaries (& members) would be independent thinkers like you & follow the Spirit instead of church leaders. <br><br>I agree that there is rampant abuse of authority in the Church and abuse in general. I don't think I have ever had a righteous bishop or stake president or I don't believe any of the leaders of the Church are righteous, even at the top. They all appear to allow, support, encourage, & often reward, some of the vilest of evils. <br><br>I don't know one leader who is doing his duty in his calling, they seem to be supporting the destruction of members, marriages & families far more than helping them to be righteous & eternal.<br><br>The Church preached & practices so anti to Christ, that it appears to be one of the most unChristian Churches in the world today. The Catholics, Baptists & so many other Christian Churches stand by & teach so much more of Christ's doctrines than the LDS Church ever has since Brigham Young took over.<br><br>Joseph Smith started things out right but after he died the Church went into apostasy from there and was overtaken by false prophets who taught opposite to Christ & Joseph Smith.<br><br>As the prophets warned would happen in these last days, the righteous in the Church today appear apostate and the wicked appear like wonderful members & leaders in good standing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-26586675269591899972013-03-01T18:22:35.089-08:002013-03-01T18:22:35.089-08:00I have chronic pain. My former doctor who treated...I have chronic pain. My former doctor who treated me for this pain became meaner and meaner to certain patients and I was one of them. The DEA has been overstepping their bounds and authority by going after legitimate doctors who treat chronic pain and destroying their career. This former doctor of mine who happens to be LDS told me one day that he , quote, "had a good mind to quit giving me pain pills, as well as his other patients who are in chronic pain" unquote. He then asked me if he had given me his LDS talk. I said no, what is the LDS talk. He said that if I don't get off pain medicine while mortal, then when I die I will be in more pain and torture because I will be addicted and there won't be anything I can do about it because I will be a Spirit. He said it would be better to be in pain while alive than to go through addiction cravings in the Spirit World. If I go off pain medicine I will be bed ridden and will have horrible pain - what a life to consider. I have tried ALL prescription and non prescription medicine to help with the fibromyalgia. Narcotics are the only thing that help. I could tell more of the story but it is too long. His comment has bothered me because we are told we take cravings and addictions to the Spirit World when we die. I would like to think that Heavenly Father has prepared a way for those who can't help their condition while mortal and have to take addicting medicines, versus those who use addicting drugs or other substances for recreation and abuse. <br>I had a mission president who made his own rules. I am female, and when I put my papers in for a mission I was called as a welfare missionary (this was 1982). Welfare missionaries were to serve anyone, LDS and non LDS. My mission pres. said welfare work was a waste of time and we were not to do service of any kind and he wanted to see baptisms from the welfare missionaries. When I was fortunate enough to get a companion who was also called as a welfare missionary (only twice during mission) we did welfare work without the mission pres. knowing. We did more good for people and I felt good about what I was doing. It goes without saying the good it did for the image of the church. That mission pres. went against Pres. Kimball and the program Pres. Kimball implemented. We served people with no strings attached, which is what the true church of Jesus Christ should be, in my opinion. I understand what you are saying about the mission pres. in Oregon. There is a lot of abuse of authority in the church. On my mission I clashed with almost everyone because I tried to live by the Spirit of the law versus the letter of the law and the other missionaries thought I was an apostate. No kidding.<br><br>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-11288611482232961402013-02-24T20:58:07.122-08:002013-02-24T20:58:07.122-08:00I'll second this!I'll second this!jenheadjenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07729691287229935563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-86490272548740079912013-02-16T23:40:09.949-08:002013-02-16T23:40:09.949-08:00Yeah, it's really starting to get out of contr...Yeah, it's really starting to get out of control lately. The Blogger filter is catching up to a dozen or more a day, but some still get through. <br><br>I hesitate to add further controls requiring readers to type in those fuzzly words, adding roadblocks like that tends to discourage people from commenting.<br><br>Ever spam that gets caught by the system still lands in my email box just like every legitimate comment, which isn't really a problem for me, but a reader recently notified me that as a follower of this blog, he is getting them in his email box too. I apologize to you readers who are getting this stuff. Perhaps in the future I may have no choice but to add controls.Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-27043634258925750062013-02-16T23:35:41.089-08:002013-02-16T23:35:41.089-08:00I hear you about the storehouse food. At the risk ...I hear you about the storehouse food. At the risk of sounding like an ingrate, my family depended on that food for a spell, and a lot of it was under par. I once helped bag potatoes at the storehouse that were to be distributed to the needy in the stake. They were clearly rotting, but the director of the storehouse insisted I keep bagging them. Apparently he felt that beggars can't be choosers.<br><br>We really should help the sick and needy with food that will "nourish and strengthen their bodies" in my opinion. But, that's corporate think for you. Do it all as cheaply as possible.Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-36499654871834722212013-02-16T22:45:04.465-08:002013-02-16T22:45:04.465-08:00Rock, you must be quite popular. More and more spa...Rock, you must be quite popular. More and more spammers are getting in past the filters. I wonder if they know how idiotic they sound, in light of the posts and comments they drop their spam into.Toninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-33780695330960291182013-02-12T11:41:14.545-08:002013-02-12T11:41:14.545-08:00It's actually a nice and useful piece of infor...It's actually a nice and useful piece of information. I am satisfied that you simply shared this useful information with us. Please stay us up to date like this. Thank you for sharing.<br><i>Here is my homepage</i> :: <b><a href="http://barcamp-bordeaux.com/wiki/index.php?title=I_Stop_Smoking_Crack" rel="nofollow">barcamp-bordeaux.com</a></b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-25367954123828349462013-01-14T20:30:54.849-08:002013-01-14T20:30:54.849-08:00Anonymous of January 5, 2013 at 4:39 AM...seems to...Anonymous of January 5, 2013 at 4:39 AM...seems to being missing a lot of what is to be discovered by taking the advice of Ether 4:15. Alan...I truly congratulate you on your strength and integrity. With all the ill winds blowing opinions around like "vote for me" signs at a campaign rally after everyone has gone home...it is really difficult for most people today to speak out against the precepts of man. You really have to have a certain "arrogance" about you. I...have it to a fault. I...absolutely and positively desire truth. Truth usually doesn't hurt long. Lies can hurt for a lifetime. And sometimes even longer! There is no doubt...this Mission President is WRONG! Toeing the company line...sucks! Being a company weasel...well don't get me started. <br><br>I've often wonder about the hypocrisy of the church wherein the word of wisdom is concerned. A word...given for the concern for "our health". Yet...the food the church gives out to the poor and needy is terrible...health wise. There are ingredients included that are proven to be cancerous and toxic to the human. The very thing that the WOW seems to be trying to steer us from. I know this for a fact...if the Lord appeared out of the blue and said to the brethern "Ill be here for about 6 to 8 months and I need a place to stay and some food to eat." There is NO WAY...NO WAY AT ALL...they'd bring him what the church delivers to my family twice a month. ~~I was totally disabled from an on the job injury many years ago. I also take pain medication...which I could go on about for the benefit of anonymous of January 5, 2013 at 4:39 AM...but won't...as there is not enough space or time available in this part of the universe. Suffice it to say...the side effects of the pharmacueticals (prescribed by an LDS doctor) will one day soon KILL ME! I will not die from the injuries. But the side effects of this profit driven crap will be my end! MARK MY WORDS! Also...if I wanted to get off of it...I'd have to detox at about $16,000 to $20,000. A cursery glance at my check book...just causes a semi-serious laughing attack. So...that won't be happeneing. Death will be my detox.<br><br>People put way too much faith in modern medicine and hardly any in God. Heavenly Father is quite capable of getting it right. Satan said he'd rule...and by golly..he is! I have LOTS more I could tell...but will allow the readers to discover these truths on their own. After 52 years in this church...you'd think you'd seen it all. LOL! (Being located so far out on the vineyard here in the south...we didn't know nearly 1/4 what you people out west know about the church. If someone did learn something...they'd keep it to themselves either by way of disbelief or afraid to be mocked. Thank goodness for the internet) These last 8 years has felt like being in a dog fight with 25 enemy planes...while taking flak from 10 different ground based gunnery positions...and my guns are jammed. BUT I'M STILL FLYIN'!<br><br>Lastly Alan...I'd like to thank you for the wonderful article. The time you must have spent in the writing of this info must by something. Also...if I may...thank you for telling us all that you are a trained legal analyst. Since this fine article uncovered so much of this "poop" that we Americans are seeing more and more about us each and every day...I was beginning to think you might be an experienced plumber! Xc DMarc Stacynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-86325524649884999842013-01-05T12:03:53.555-08:002013-01-05T12:03:53.555-08:00I believe you have missed the larger point. The qu...I believe you have missed the larger point. The question is whether any mere mortal has the authority to deny the sacred ordinance of baptism to someone who desires it because he believes they are not in compliance with his personal interpretation of the law. If so, then Alma was wrong, very wrong to defy the authorities and baptize people at the waters of Mormon.<br><br>If you believe the smoking of pot is not the only way of relieving pain, how do you feel about administering the medication sublingually via tincture? How does that differ from other approved medications?<br><br>And what's wrong with people choosing to use the cheapest medication available? Is there some reason those suffering afflictions should be forced to purchase their drugs only from Big Pharma?Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-33460716065497519822013-01-05T04:39:04.163-08:002013-01-05T04:39:04.163-08:00I know this article was written way back in May, b...I know this article was written way back in May, but I have only just read it. I have to say I believe you are wrong, very wrong, in your criticism of this mission president. The smoking of pot to relieve pain is not the only way of relieving pain. It is probably the cheapest though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-66522507316272049282012-06-27T16:42:01.844-07:002012-06-27T16:42:01.844-07:00One of the more oppressive yet inventive pronounce...One of the more oppressive yet inventive pronouncements from LDS hierarchy is their insistence that Elohim and Jesus Christ must and should be bribed for blessings [a.k.a. TITHING]. "Pay your tithing first," they said, "and the blessings shall follow". But they don't do they?<br>Church leaders have built the City Creek Mall while washing their hands off of the accusation that it was done on the backs of the poor here and overseas. They've literally ground the faces of the poor and extracted the smallest farthing from them regardless of their being unemployed, with insurmountable debts, living paycheck to paycheck. For every faith promoting story in Ensign and Era magazines about the "blessings of tithing", there are a dozen REAL life stories of members who are struggling to put kids through school while paying off their own student loans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-76781640888234769262012-06-23T14:09:08.112-07:002012-06-23T14:09:08.112-07:00I'm only 56 Steven. My apologies for my cond...I'm only 56 Steven. My apologies for my condescending statement. I'm just saying that when the old "I'm right and you are wrong" attitude comes into play over spiritual matters....the spirit is gone and it's childish and ugly.Bruce in Montananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-21829957212272071012012-06-23T07:35:19.464-07:002012-06-23T07:35:19.464-07:00Don't call me a child, Bruc. How old are you?...Don't call me a child, Bruc. How old are you?Steven Lesterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01285355643172321289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-34040921591860762612012-06-22T16:34:00.074-07:002012-06-22T16:34:00.074-07:00Children,Let's all go back to primary and reme...Children,<br>Let's all go back to primary and remember that we are all on "different rungs of the ladder".Brucnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-29432422878335902982012-06-21T15:32:23.556-07:002012-06-21T15:32:23.556-07:00Both at the same time if possible.As I understand ...Both at the same time if possible.<br><br>As I understand the meaning of spam, I am not promoting anything in the form of a one liner. Like, I don't know, the name of my own blog.<br><br>Btw, I love the way you think and write, Z.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-45153012686329549912012-06-20T22:32:40.109-07:002012-06-20T22:32:40.109-07:00Care to actually make a point? Or do you just pref...Care to actually make a point? Or do you just prefer one liner spam?zo-ma-rahhttp://zomarah.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-52987522593148381062012-06-19T17:04:06.355-07:002012-06-19T17:04:06.355-07:00How long have you been home, Elder?How long have you been home, Elder?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-45630326770961168652012-06-19T10:52:05.952-07:002012-06-19T10:52:05.952-07:00And with your self-righteous attitude, weston, you...And with your self-righteous attitude, weston, you sound like a Mormon who hates, but doesn't know it because you think of yourself as so pure.Steven Lesterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01285355643172321289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-82430280169148746512012-06-18T10:42:39.388-07:002012-06-18T10:42:39.388-07:00To me, you sound like a pure Mormon-Hater.To me, you sound like a pure Mormon-Hater.weston krogstadthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06759228799187904000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-73931931671255151632012-06-16T02:06:20.308-07:002012-06-16T02:06:20.308-07:00Toni,That's an abbreviation for "The Dail...Toni,<br>That's an abbreviation for "The Daily Paul" which is a sort of clearinghouse for all news, videos, discussion, etc about the good doctor.<br><br>Several new readers have arrived here after comments I made there on Mitt Romney. The DP is always my first stop of the day, before checking email or anything else:<br><br>http://www.dailypaul.com/Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-38565626084391509772012-06-15T19:28:16.586-07:002012-06-15T19:28:16.586-07:00What does DP mean?What does DP mean?Toninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-27358654501356773962012-06-13T15:00:50.925-07:002012-06-13T15:00:50.925-07:00Thanks, DP'er. I enjoyed the title card on tha...Thanks, DP'er. I enjoyed the title card on that second video, "How To Silence A Room Full of Clapping College Students."<br><br>I did include that clip of Romney turning his back on a cripple in my piece about Romney, but thanks for suggesting it again. In my opinion, that clip cannot be seen too often; it demonstrates Romney at his most glad-handing and least compassionate. It's interesting to recall that the patient's question is not "will you allow the government to supply me with marijuana?" All he wants to know is will Romney have him arrested for using his medicine.Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-57905961511626929042012-06-13T08:14:13.391-07:002012-06-13T08:14:13.391-07:00Thank you, Rock--After witnessing the meltdown on ...Thank you, Rock--<br><br>After witnessing the meltdown on DP this past week I decided to come back and look at "Mormon blogs"--<br><br>this is a very well done blog article, and I thank you.<br><br>Has everyone on here seen the youtube of Romney's treatment of a medical marijuana patient?<br><br>I knew only a very little about the propaganda campaign to rid the country of cannibas; it certainly did much to help the pharmaceutical companies, who so quietly make money off others' pain--<br>I hope you don't mind if I link that youtube--<br><br>Sadly, that man in Oregon (and I don't mean to persecute him either; I won't even use his name) has MUCH support from within the church; he won't be affected by this article--<br><br>here's the youtube:<br><br>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY6UTnS6Z-A<br><br>LDS DPer (before and during its meltdown)<br><br>Romney's "I'm sorry" sounds so robotic; it's really frightening--Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com