tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post2415187374048087520..comments2024-03-26T21:27:42.278-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: What A Great Time To Be Alive!Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-60940803304531985682021-03-14T13:15:31.802-07:002021-03-14T13:15:31.802-07:00I forgot to add ...I have been reading many many a...I forgot to add ...I have been reading many many articles/talks by President Ezra Taft Benson regarding the last days. Very sobering.<br /><br />In my opinion he was the last Prophet who actually prophesied. <br />I attended an assembly in my area with President Benson. He traveled the USA and other countries to hold assemblies in which he warned us. The church as a whole has not heeded his words. The church has gone totally opposite of what President Benson said. <br /><br />We need a President Benson today, not a President Nelson. JRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12745174941243069168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-41299920386132657652021-03-14T13:08:04.510-07:002021-03-14T13:08:04.510-07:00
Excellent article! Thank You! You understand w...<br /> Excellent article! Thank You! You understand what is happening!<br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />JRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12745174941243069168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-3054365637699222452021-03-08T14:07:22.528-08:002021-03-08T14:07:22.528-08:00Quite a post Rock.
If you want to understand what...Quite a post Rock.<br /><br />If you want to understand what happened with all those lawsuits Giuliani was presiding over, I recommend reading deepcapture.com for an account of what things were like inside the law offices. Sydney Powell, doesn't play a large role in the narrative, but from what is said, it appears she was actually trying to do the right thing. Don't know what happened to her lawsuits though. I think the most compelling argument for me was the mathematician's who argue that when you graph the data it's going in the wrong direction. At this point, I'm not sure if their argument can be found online anymore.<br /><br />For most of your post you seem quite positive that the Biden victory would be overturned. Obviously, at this point that is not gonna happen. I think there are lots of reasons for that, including the question of whether SCOTUS was derelict. You did acknowledge toward the end that Biden might remain in power, which is the case.<br /><br />For my part, I put a lot of stock in the prophecy in 2 Esdras 11-12. Prior to the election results, I was supremely confident that Trump was going to be reelected, because my interpretation of the prophecy led me to that conclusion. In the aftermath, I wasn't sure what to think, as it appeared that the prophecy had foundered. A friend convinced me that it was my interpretation that was at fault, not the prophecy itself. The prophecy says that every president after Obama would be a 'short feather', meaning that they would leave office prematurely. Up until this election, the only extant short feathers were JFK and Nixon, so I felt it implied that all short feathers would leave office due to either assassination, impeachment, or some exercise of the 25th amendment. My friend suggested that we were being too narrow; it could also come about by a stolen election.<br /><br />That's the new working hypothesis. It's a bit ambiguous due to the fact that Trump may be seen to have simply lost the election (if one disagrees with your post), in which case the prophecy seems invalid, or to have had it stolen (supporting your thesis), which means that the prophecy is still in effect.<br /><br />Assuming the prophecy is still valid, Biden will also be a short feather. This is quite easy to imagine since he has actually said he'd find an excuse to leave office if he and Kamala don't agree on something. It's actually hard to imagine that he would last a full term, with his apparent mental decline, so it appears that it will really depend on how ambitious Kamala is to take his job. My guess is a couple of years, possibly less. If/when this happens, it will be a vindication of the prophecy. <br /><br />The mathematics are interesting as well, because each iteration seems to fulfill at least two conditions so we have (2x2)^x where x is the number of presidents since Hoover. The odds that the prophecy is right through Obama were 268,435,456:1. If Trump was a short feather, it increases to over a billion to one. If Biden leaves office prematurely it will be over 4 billion and if Kamala and her VP pick go as predicted the prophecy will have overcome odds of 68 billion:1.<br /><br />Unfortunately, the prophecy doesn't stop there. It tells us that almost immediately after taking office, Harris and her Vice Presidential pick appear to be assassinated, which seems to plunge the country into civil war, followed by an occupation by a cruel foreign power (almost certainly China, probably allied with Russia and the EU).<br /><br />Of course, eventually things come out all right, just as you say in your post. The Lord acts to save the children of Israel, but only after they've been humbled to the dust as slaves. It appears that the shepherds of Israel - unrighteous church leaders living off their flocks, are the first to go into slavery.<br /><br />Dale B.<br />Liberty Ghosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11619950493407991226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-65363935102441879612021-01-10T12:20:46.585-08:002021-01-10T12:20:46.585-08:0037 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn ...37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:<br />38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.<br />39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?<br />40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.<br />41 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?<br />42 Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother’s eye.<br />43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.<br />44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.<br />45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.<br /><br /><i>18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.<br />19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness [falsely claiming knowledge], blasphemies [speaking evil of others]:<br />20 These are the things which defile a man[.]</i><br /><br />46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?<br />47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:<br />48 He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.<br />49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.Jared Liveseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10309044282039536254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-30459264960608624812021-01-10T08:27:37.507-08:002021-01-10T08:27:37.507-08:00Thanks OAN. I’ll re read your post every time I wa...Thanks OAN. I’ll re read your post every time I want to play make believe. OpenMindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245205813750451843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-63937017875169629162021-01-10T08:04:08.018-08:002021-01-10T08:04:08.018-08:00This once was a blog on mormonism. Now it is engag...This once was a blog on mormonism. Now it is engaged in politic debate. Too bad.<br />Let me join in expressing my gratitude about getting rid of Trump. I wonder how this clown ever made it to be your president, but I never understood very much about American politics anyway. What I did understand that he was a dangerous man, and so are his followers, look what they did to the Capitol, that was a mini civil war. There is more to come, as our founding prophets warned. Do you believe them? You better check your year supply. <br />All the best and greetings from the Netherlands.HenrikMetzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03683528453308007251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-3060195393461400282021-01-10T02:45:30.360-08:002021-01-10T02:45:30.360-08:00The greatest threat to the constitution in my view...The greatest threat to the constitution in my view is posed by Donal Trump. He is the greatest threat since Aaron Burr. He is the one who openly encouraged an armed insurrection. He is the one who violently interfered with the democratic process. He is the one who is directly responsible for the deaths of multiple people. He is more reminiscent of a Book of Mormon “kingman” than any politician of our generation. Rock I am shocked and disappointed that you would choose to believe the outrageous lies of the political fringe and become a passive advocate of violence and mayhem in the name of liberty . The people who you apparently agree with politically that stormed the Capital armed with semi automatic rifles ,pipe bombs and Molotov cocktails were no different than the Nazis of the 1940. They are not patriots there are traitors. I would have hoped you would have condemned them rather than implicitly supporting them We are seeing the things that the Book of Mormon warns about but rather than Kiskumens band they identify as MAGA. Please in the name of our sacred liberty disassociate yourself from them and condemn their tactics.boohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03617627507633971672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-12453294601202057352021-01-10T02:30:24.547-08:002021-01-10T02:30:24.547-08:00My guess is that I am the only person reading this...My guess is that I am the only person reading this who has actual first hand experience in supervising security at central polling stations in a national election. I was for many years Arizona State ballot security chairman for the Republican Party and was responsible for ensuring on behalf of the Republican Party in the state of Arizona that each cote was counted in the entire state. I previously did something similar in New Jersey.. I can tell you it is very ,very difficult to steal a modern election ,particularly in a state where there is effectively no “machine politics” ie unlike Cook County I’ll. While I did not hold this position in the most recent election I am well acquainted with those who were ,ardent Trump supports all. They are unanimously of the opinion that the official results in this state reflect the actual vote and are deeply troubled that their hero Pres zTrump would argue otherwise . So troubled that they have become concern about the mental state of their former hero. The idea that one party can steal an election in a state that is dominated by the opposing party is ludicrous in the extreme.In Arizona virtually all the officials involved in the ballot process are Republican and generally rabid Trump supports . Do you real think they would steal an election for the opposition. I am a lawyer admitted to practice before the US Supreme Court. I have carefully followed the legal case brought by Ms Powell and will tell you they are without merit. I fully expect her to be disbarred for her outrageous conduct.boohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03617627507633971672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-75263574737931183652021-01-08T21:21:33.785-08:002021-01-08T21:21:33.785-08:00Hey Open Mind; the Democrats and Liberals are alre...Hey Open Mind; the Democrats and Liberals are already very openly talking about arresting and killing all Trump supporters and voters. With their Biden/Harris win they certainly expect to be able to do it, just as soon as they can get the guns away from all those evil "deplorables".PNW_DPerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16203324465643216620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-84279430744704171862021-01-07T11:16:02.207-08:002021-01-07T11:16:02.207-08:00You still disagree Kay?
What happened to 10 year...You still disagree Kay? <br /><br />What happened to 10 years minimum for anyone damaging a federal building?!? Now it’s ok? Completely unhinged people walking through the capitol buildings they broke into holding confederate flags. What an image. Never thought I’d see this.<br /><br />Probably not since the Pharisee’s of Christ’s day has such open hypocrisy been on display. Even truly evil Individuals like McConnell and graham are saying this is too much crazy for them. At that point you know things are off the rails if even THOSE dudes are out. <br /><br />For a long time the justification of evil demonstrated in this post and others was more comical and perplexing than anything else. At this point I think it has stopped being funny. OpenMindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245205813750451843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-30810907659059978212021-01-02T22:43:09.057-08:002021-01-02T22:43:09.057-08:00They already know how to fix it. Kill all who vote...They already know how to fix it. Kill all who voted for Biden. They are currently trying to figure out a way to do it without massive repercussions. They are growing closer everyday to simply not caring about repercussions. You’ll know the breaking point when you see it. OpenMindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245205813750451843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-67839683121583256742021-01-02T08:30:03.332-08:002021-01-02T08:30:03.332-08:00The answer to the prayer for covenant and Book of ...The answer to the prayer for covenant and Book of Mormon are the only source of accurate and unbiased news in my opinion. Blows epoch times and all the other trash, both left and right, out of the water. OpenMindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245205813750451843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-9322352010683111022020-12-21T21:03:44.086-08:002020-12-21T21:03:44.086-08:00Hey Rock,
Have enjoyed reading your blog for seve...Hey Rock,<br /><br />Have enjoyed reading your blog for several years now. I have to admit though that this particular post just didn't register. I'm not going to say there was no fraud in this election. Personally, I don't see how anyone can make it possible for 50 states who all run their elections independently of each other to come up with a system that is 100% fraud proof. It certainly is possible for people to take advantage of that, and it no doubt happens to some extent. However, at the same time, some of the fraud allegations floating around out there are just so left field that I can't believe people are putting so much stock in some of the claims. I mean, you put Sydney Powell down as your source of election machine/software fraud. Really? Sydney Powell? Even the Trump legal team dumped her because she was so ... unbelievable. Now the two companies that Sydney dissed are posting fact checks on their own websites, and they're threatening defamation lawsuits against all the people and organizations spreading false information. If all these accusations were true, the so called "true" news sites that are supposedly publishing the truth like Fox News and Newsmax, which said the same thing you're posting on your website, should be pushing to defend and prove this information. However, now that they're being threatened with defamation, they're retracting all the things they said about the voting machines. If this information about fraud in the voting machines/software were true, if there were all this solid evidence to prove it, why are these "true" news organizations not defending this story? What are they scared of with this potential lawsuit if they can prove all these voting fraud allegations? <br />https://www.syracuse.com/politics/2020/12/fox-newsmax-walk-back-claims-on-dominion-smartmatic-election-fraud.html<br />https://www.newsmax.com/us/smartmatic-dominion-voting-systems-software-election/2020/12/19/id/1002355/<br />The real question I'd like all the people screaming and crying about fraud to answer is how do we fix this? How do we fix voting systems and processes across 50 states and DC? Do we force everyone who is out of state to go back to their state of origin to vote in person? Do we force everyone to vote in person even during a pandemic? Do we force the weak, old, sick, etc. to vote in person, or not at all? Do we not allow military personnel overseas to vote because we can't trust their votes?<br />Do all these people who want zero fraud also want to instigate things like a federal ID card, which can be tracked and used across state lines? Do they want to go as far as getting chips inserted into our foreheads to prove who we are when voting? LOL ... can you imagine all the people already claiming the end is coming if the government were to propose that? How do we solve this? How much proof is enough proof? How much fraud is an acceptable risk to not have to go to the opposite extreme to make 100% sure no fraud happens at all? What rights and privileges would you and I be willing to give up to make sure the government can eliminate all fraud from future elections? <br />The other thing is your post like many others only focus on the 4-5 "battleground" states that Trump lost. What about other states that Trump won? Was there zero fraud in those states? Florida used voting machines/software from Dominion, and Trump won Florida. Why aren't people screaming fraud for that state. Why do they only care about the states that Trump lost with such intensity?<br />I dunno. I'm really at a loss. Was there fraud? Most likely (i.e. in both this 2020 election and all prior elections). Was it to the extent that team Trump is claiming? Eh? What do we do to prepare for the next election? Are we really willing to make those changes to eliminate fraud? What will it cost us? Sometimes we get what we ask for, and then we don't like the consequences.<br />Take care!<br />Vaughn JorgensenUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13011507834240083529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-63989712063231836772020-12-21T07:22:45.903-08:002020-12-21T07:22:45.903-08:00Recent history on what, OAN? Absolute trash. I phy...Recent history on what, OAN? Absolute trash. I physically saw the trump swarm, armed, at polls in my hometown. OpenMindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245205813750451843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-26987972584928955272020-12-21T06:06:33.190-08:002020-12-21T06:06:33.190-08:00Here is how Epoch Times is reviewed by Media Bias/...Here is how Epoch Times is reviewed by Media Bias/Fact Check (summary):<br /><br />“Overall, we rate The Epoch Times Right Biased and Questionable based on the publication of pseudoscience and the promotion of propaganda and conspiracy theories as well as numerous failed fact checks.”<br /><br />https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-epoch-times/Clair Barrushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11537853381222533640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-67333407349407994022020-12-20T10:14:19.359-08:002020-12-20T10:14:19.359-08:00OpenMind—I disagree with your position that Trump ...OpenMind—I disagree with your position that Trump supporters/conservatives/the Right would intimidate Biden voters at the polls. Recent history has demonstrated that the Left are generally the ones who do the intimidating...on the streets, at the polls, in the media.Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10178278331961899314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-75130534701897108492020-12-19T18:39:31.765-08:002020-12-19T18:39:31.765-08:00I read the Epoch Times. This is by far the best so...I read the Epoch Times. This is by far the best source for unbiased news in my opinion.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06136990531032870168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-43245660725727770202020-12-18T11:35:42.407-08:002020-12-18T11:35:42.407-08:00Clair,
“One simply cannot call the judges failure...Clair,<br /><br />“One simply cannot call the judges failure to rule for Trump’s cause part of a conspiracy of liberal activist judges”. <br /><br />I regret to inform you these fanatics absolutely can and they absolutely are. People beloved one day can be inundated with death threats,hated, and labeled traitors the very next day if they don’t side with trumps attempt to destroy this nation. We see new examples of this every single day at this point in the GOP. Never underestimate that ancient spirit that puts fear, mistrust, and suspicion into the heart of men. Eventually, they are convinced beyond persuasion that every single other person is out to get them. Everything is just one big conspiracy theory with them at the center. This late hour before the coming of the Lord is a walk back to the beginning essentially. Prior to His return, we will see the return of that spirit that put it into the heart of Cain, the first murderer, to murder Abel out of fear and suspicion of his brother, even though no such thing was found in the heart of Abel. That spirit is here now on obvious display in the hearts of millions. Logic will not work. Rationality, morality, and impartiality will not work. <br /><br />Just consider this: Hillary Clinton lost a MUCH closer election only 4 years ago and she conceded basically right away. Yet these minions of trump hate her with the fiery passion of a thousand suns. A person obsessed with power and control does not concede an election for which they won the popular vote. A person obsessed with power and control would fight the least close election in quite some time and stop at nothing to achieve victory by any means necessary. By their fruits ye shall know them indeed. <br /><br />Where are all these people who voted for Biden the trump army asks? (ar-15’s in hand). This is at the heart of their claim of rigged elections. Answer: They are keeping their heads down to avoid the murderous spirit now animating YOU! It’s self preservation.<br /><br />I see talks of trump declaring martial law to run re elections in swing states, one of which I live in. Does anyone think the same people who voted for Biden the first time could work up the courage to face down the armed poll campers a second time?!? Probably many could not. I didn’t vote for Biden, but if I had, I would absolutely never set foot in one of those repolling places. I guess the only way I would is if I wore a maga hat to the location while sporadically shouting “stop the steal” in between swigs from my kill liberals mug. But then I’d secretly voted for Biden in the booth. If they do re-elections and they come back with less Biden votes from the first time, they will use that as proof of rigged elections. <br /><br />It’s like trump repeating ad nauseum at every single rally for weeks before the election telling his supporters to not vote by mail. Then he uses the low % of his mail in support as proof of rigged elections? Trump probably would have won if not for so many mail in ballots. Not because there was widespread fraud, but because like half the Biden supporters would be too afraid to vote in person. Who tf could blame them?!? <br /><br />Many of these people are “passed feeling” Clair. It’s literally a waste of time to point out anything you have pointed out, though it hurts to say it.OpenMindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245205813750451843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-35858923377448374292020-12-16T22:17:34.643-08:002020-12-16T22:17:34.643-08:00Alan -- as one of the "handful of dumb regula...Alan -- as one of the "handful of dumb regular people who comment" on your Facebook page I'd like to clarify my position. You state that we "stop by to remind [you] that no evidence of election fraud has ever been found." While others may have made those claims, I've been careful to state the *courts* have have found no convincing evidence of *widespread* voter fraud. Those are important distinctions.<br /><br />There is always some fraud in each election. And evidence of this is easy to come by. But a coordinated effort to throw an entire election is of course, a much greater charge, requiring a much larger, coordinated effort.<br /><br />Trump and his associates have been opened 60 court cases, promoting various charges about election irregularities, hoping to prove allegations of widespread fraud. How have they fared?<br /><br />59 -- failed cases<br /> 1 -- successful cases (although it was not about voter fraud).<br /><br />This is important. Our court systems are the ultimate fact checkers. Lawyers are professionally trained. Multiple judges with multiple appeals offer resiliency to the system. Judges have years of experience weighing evidence and making calls on what is actually factual.<br /><br />Cases that are won have merit. Cases that are rejected, or lost -- obviously do not have enough evidence to stand on their own, particularly when appealed through the system. 59 such cases is very telling.<br /><br />Some conspiratorially minded people might suggest the judicial branch is in on the supposed massive conspiracy. But consider that of the 59 failed court cases, two were rejected by the supreme court which has three Trump appointees, and is dominated by conservatives. Six other judges who have ruled against, or refused to hear cases are either Trump appointed judges, or were on Trump's shortlist for the Supreme Court. In fact, 10% of Trump's shortlist heard cases and failed to rule in Trump's favor. Not a single one ruled in his favor.<br /><br />Trump-appointed judges have called the cases "bizarre" and "extraordinary," stating that "calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."<br /><br />Another Trump-appointed judge stated, the pro-Trump case "harms the public interest in countless ways . .. I find has no basis in fact or in law."<br /><br />Over 80 judges were involved in cases. Many other republican judges that were not Trump-appointed were also involved. One simply cannot call the judges failure to rule for Trump's cause part of a conspiracy of liberal activist judges.<br /><br />And many of these cases were tried multiple times through appeals. The count of 59 lost or rejected cases does not include appeals.<br /><br />Its best to think about what it means that our countries talented fact checking system (the judicial branch) has rejected in one way, or another, *all* the claims put forth by Trump and his associates regarding massive voter fraud. Even through Trump's claims originally sounded compelling, when put before the courts, the claims simply did not hold up.Clair Barrushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11537853381222533640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-45068682986449421142020-12-15T15:15:58.816-08:002020-12-15T15:15:58.816-08:00Rock!
I responded before but there was an error w...Rock!<br /><br />I responded before but there was an error when I hit post. <br /><br />Are you and Connie going to be in Nevada in March? We could talk then maybe? As a long time beneficiary of your blog, Ive wanted to meet you for some time already. I was very sad we couldn’t attend the chalice conference and would have loved to meet you guys.<br /><br />I don’t watch any “news” from any source, so my only evidence for anything I said is only from the answer to the prayer for covenant and new scriptures. <br /><br />Also, you never provided any evidence for why the sky is blue. Though admittedly that would have been more difficult than the argument you currently are undertaking ;)<br /><br />-Closed mind OpenMindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245205813750451843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-82415120725508578972020-12-12T12:14:19.376-08:002020-12-12T12:14:19.376-08:00Openmind, (There's a name that doesn't fit...Openmind, (There's a name that doesn't fit if ever I've seen one)<br /><br />As with Sus above, I would also ask you to provide evidence for your allegations, i.e. you state with complete confidence that:<br /><br />1. Sus's post is "so full of the most overwhelmingly obvious truth.<br />(If the truth is so overwhelming and obvious, it should be a cinch for you to provide some of it.)<br /><br /><br />2. "Trump is the absolute complete opposite of Jesus Christ in every single way, shape, and form.<br />(This should be easy to prove, since you should know what it's like to be "the absolute opposite" of Jesus Christ.)<br /><br />3. Trump "is, by definition, Antichrist."<br />(Remember, you said "be definition," so don't forget to define what an antichrist is and then provide point by point evidence that Trump fits that definition. Also remember, opinions don't count. You must provide factual evidence.<br /><br />4. "He has done more to forward the work of the Lord’s chief adversary than maybe anyone in the modern age."<br />(That's a pretty broad allegation and may require a bit of research to prove, Openmind, but I believe you're up to it.)<br /><br />5. "He has the country on the brink of a civil war pitting brother against brother"<br />(Please list the precise words and actions that evidence he has put the country on the brink of civil war. Also, please list two of those brothers you mention.)<br /><br />6. "In my lifetime I’ve never seen any single person be able to cement so much fear, mistrust, and suspicion into the hearts of so many people."<br />(You must have lived a very short lifetime.)<br /><br />7. Finally, the fact that other people might believe differently than you is so far beyond your understanding that you can't even wrap your brain around it.<br />(I won't ask you to prove that one. Seems self-evident.)<br /><br />Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-74248118752941817002020-12-12T11:47:48.263-08:002020-12-12T11:47:48.263-08:00Sus, (Continued)
As for attacks on politicians, a...Sus, (Continued)<br /><br />As for attacks on politicians, are you so naïve as to suggest other politicians have not attacked him? Or are you referring to sexual attacks? Because I've not seen Trump physically attack any opponent. I've seen Biden threaten to beat him up behind the gym more than once. Maybe in your mind that makes Biden comparable to Korihor too? I think it just makes Biden a braggadocio and a buffoon.<br /><br />And what's this nonsense about Trump describing our military dead as "losers" and "suckers"? You put those words in quotes, so I gather you can point to some video or written evidence he actually said those words?<br /><br />It would appear that you haven't been keeping up. You seem to hear something in the ether then you never stick around for the rebuttal. That was reported in the Atlantic Magazine as fact, but immediately everyone who had been with Trump at the time, including his political enemies, asserted he had never said any such thing, but instead had nothing but accolades for the soldiers lying dead in that cemetery. Following the backlash, The Atlantic reporter himself backpedaled from the story. And yet here you are throwing that garbage around as if it were the undisputed truth.<br /><br />Donald Trump is as flawed as most Americans, no more, no less. But his greatest asset is he is an outsider, and nothing like the politicians who constantly attack him yet continually fail because more than half of America is tired of politicians. They wanted someone different and they sure got "different" when they elected Donald Trump.<br /><br />Like I said, he ain't perfect, Sus. But if you can't tell the difference between a statesman and the antichrist, no wonder you don't want to argue. You don't know how.Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-20211415714515742252020-12-12T11:46:36.413-08:002020-12-12T11:46:36.413-08:00Sus, (Continued)
When God warns that "the li...Sus, (Continued)<br /><br />When God warns that "the liar shall be thrust into hell" he's talking about lies that do actual HARM to people. Can you name any actual lies Donald Trump has told AS PRESIDENT that have resulted in real harm? I can name lies Bush, Clinton, and Obama told the American people that were harmful. If you can't, but can only point to a list of silly meaningless exaggerations on the part of Trump, then your bias is showing. Remember what Dr Weston showed with his research on the Political Brain.<br /><br />As I wrote in my piece, I don't mean to imply that Trump has not done things he had no authority to do. "Brokering peace" between foreign countries is not in the job description of the man whose job it is to preside over one branch of the federal government. He has signed bills into law that provided 500 billion dollars MORE to the military-industrial complex than they had received the previous year. I see that as counterproductive.<br /><br />So he is far from perfect. But shortcomings aside, He has done vastly more good than any president has in my lifetime. To give just one example that caused me to take a second look at the man, he was responsible for commuting the sentences of thousands of minorities who were unjustly imprisoned, some for life, and often for minor infractions such as possession. Biden has bragged that he wrote that bill. But that's why Trump got 39 percent of the black vote this time, many of whom had been told he was a racist until they looked into that allegation and found it to be a lie.<br /><br />You conclude your absurd comparison to Trump with Korihor by saying, "I think of Trump’s attacks on women, fellow politicians and our military dead who he described as “losers” and “suckers.”<br /><br />What attacks on women? Who are these women he has attacked? Why don't they come forward? Are you referring to his private conversation with Billy Bush where the two of them marveled at the way SOME women reacted to celebrities? Trump was the star of a reality TV show at the time, and was amazed at how some women would throw themselves at him for no other reason than he was famous, and Billy, who had experienced the same type of weird adulation, concurred. <br /><br />I've seen some women assume from that conversation that Trump went around maniacally grabbing random women by the cat whiskers, yet I have yet to hear of an incident where he has done anything remotely like that. You may recall that when Trump and Bush stepped off that bus they were met by a pretty young liason who escorted them to where they were going. Trump was the consummate gentleman, never once reaching out and trying to grope that woman. So where have YOU seen these attacks take place? <br /><br />Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-11500213877225595072020-12-12T11:42:44.565-08:002020-12-12T11:42:44.565-08:00Sus,
I can see why you didn't want to argue ...Sus, <br /><br />I can see why you didn't want to argue your assertions, Sus, because you clearly don't know how to form an argument. The chief element of an argument is evidence. What you did was list a whole bunch of already disproven allegations without providing a shred of evidence. Had you defamed my character in the same way you did the president's above you would be facing a defamation suit and been required to provide actual evidence for those allegations.<br /><br />"I believe our president would love to instigate a civil war"<br /><br />Okay, so you have a belief. So what actual evidence can you show to back up such a ridiculous belief? What has Trump done or said that would lead a person to believe he has tried to instigate civil war? Has he encouraged insurrection? Has he stood by uncritically while mobs loot and burn cities? Has he SAID or DONE anything that would cause you to believe something so completely absurd?<br /><br />"In my view, Mr. Trump has few values consistent with LDS beliefs."<br /><br />Well what a surprise! A great many Americans don't have values consistent with LDS beliefs, especially not Liberal New Yorkers, which Donald Trump has been his entire life. I was just watching an episode of Seinfeld and as a guy raised a Mormon I have very little in common with people who consider casual sex just a regular part of life. Yet I recognize that is the lifestyle of a lot of Americans who were not raised the way I was, so I don't judge them for it. <br /><br />"[Trump] is more closely akin to the evil figure in the Book of Mormon known as Korihor, an opposition figure to Christian ethics who swayed many believers in ancient times"<br /><br />Well, that's an interesting conclusion you arrived at right there. You point out that Korihor emphasized money, sex, and power, and I guess that since Trump was a successful hotelier earning lots of money, and probably engaged in premarital sex with the women he dated (like 90% of non-members in this country) he's exactly like the antichrist. I'm pretty sure very few presidents in history could measure up to your high standards, Sus.<br /><br />"Trump and his co-religionist, Korihor, think that decent values and morality are psychological abnormalities, products of “derangement” and a “frenzied mind.”<br /><br />So just like that you've assumed Trump and Korihor are co-religionists. Never mind that Korihor denied the existence of God while Trump was raised Presbyterian and has affirmed his faith in God many times. He even named his personal pastor to the White House Office of Public Liason. It would help if you could provide clips where Trump "thinks that decent values and morality are psychological abnormalities, products of derangement and a frenzied mind." You put those words in quotes as if those were things he had actually spoken.<br /><br />Just for the record, he has not.<br /><br />You then go on at length to tell us all about Korihor, yet you fail to provide any evidence that would make the comparison of Trump to Korihor at all convincing. 21,000 lies? I've seen that list of "lies" circulating on the internet and it's laughable. <br /><br />Donald Trump is a scrappy kid from the streets of New York, with a personality very much like those he grew up with. Like his peers, he's often given to wild hyperbole and exaggeration, especially as regards his personal accomplishments. What are you going to do next, factcheck Muhammed Ali for repeatedly boasting "I am the Greatest!"? Are you going to require every street kid telling Yo Mama jokes to back up those exaggerated bits? Or are they liars as well?<br /><br />Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-29756760445021885662020-12-12T08:50:46.965-08:002020-12-12T08:50:46.965-08:00This post, Sus, is so full of the most overwhelmin...This post, Sus, is so full of the most overwhelmingly obvious truth. How so many, even very very bright people, think the complete opposite of this is so far beyond my understanding that sometimes I think smoke is coming out of my ears trying to wrap my brain around it. Trump is the absolute complete opposite of Jesus Christ in every single way, shape, and form. He is , by definition, anti Christ. He has done more to forward to the work of the Lord’s chief adversary than maybe anyone in the modern age. In only four years, he has the country on the brink of a civil war pitting brother against brother for no reason whatsoever. In my lifetime I’ve never seen any single person be able to cement so much fear, mistrust, and suspicion into the hearts of so many people. OpenMindhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245205813750451843noreply@blogger.com