tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post2413768798947809115..comments2024-03-13T12:52:19.391-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: Brigham Young's Hostile Takeover Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger179125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-65552180915147974442022-04-03T19:37:56.519-07:002022-04-03T19:37:56.519-07:00The truth is, Matthias, what is sin for one may no...The truth is, Matthias, what is sin for one may not be sin for another. <br /><br />You never know what God has commanded someone to do.<br /><br />Was Abraham a "sinner" for offering up his son as a sacrifice?<br /><br />Is not murder unlawful? <br /><br />But was not Nephi likewise commanded to chop off Laban's head? <br /><br />Is capital punishment the right punishment for attempted murder?<br /><br />What was Isaac's sin?<br /><br />"Sin" is doing what you know or believe in your heart to be wrong. You seem quite certain that homosexuality is a sin under all circumstances.<br /><br />Given the two above examples, would you make the same claim for human sacrifice and the extra-judicial administration of capital punishment, even upon someone in a drunken stupor?<br /><br />Maybe we DO need God's permission to judge and condemn, even when it seems obvious to us that others are doing wrong.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-1794351893005638512022-04-03T19:30:32.826-07:002022-04-03T19:30:32.826-07:00You actually make a good point, Anonymous.
Befor...You actually make a good point, Anonymous. <br /><br />Before undertaking his ministry after being ordained by his brother, Nephi, Jacob first sought his errand from the Lord. You may interpret that as being guided by God, or receiving revelation and/or authorization to do the Lord's bidding, including calling people to repentance.<br /><br />ANYTHING we do must have the imprimature of God's blessing, otherwise it is of none effect and wasted, if not sinful.<br /><br />That's why God admonished us to pray over everything.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-83021879410907237942022-04-03T19:25:26.651-07:002022-04-03T19:25:26.651-07:00"Otherwise, the House of the Lord would be ch..."Otherwise, the House of the Lord would be chaotic."<br /><br />I don't recall the Lord ever proscribing us from calling others to repentance "because "the House the Lord would be chaotic." He did, however command us to remove the beam from our own eye before we sought to remove the splinter from another's.<br />Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-67511558063473865082022-04-03T19:22:02.282-07:002022-04-03T19:22:02.282-07:00Wow, Anonymous! Talk about mingling the philosophi...Wow, Anonymous! Talk about mingling the philosophies of men with scripture!<br /><br />How about "...it becometh every man who hath been warned to warn his neighbor.<br /> 82 Therefore, they are left without excuse, and their sins are upon their own heads." (D&C 88.)Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-57264988721926952162022-04-03T19:18:13.492-07:002022-04-03T19:18:13.492-07:00Matthias,
I love your tenacious response and the ...Matthias,<br /><br />I love your tenacious response and the righteous desires of your heart.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-79737693178733667592022-04-03T19:16:42.705-07:002022-04-03T19:16:42.705-07:00The implication is that the mere act of denouncing...The implication is that the mere act of denouncing the sins of others is itself a sin.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-73584913588579279372022-04-03T19:15:55.418-07:002022-04-03T19:15:55.418-07:00That's a fascinating concept!That's a fascinating concept!Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-85322390429705910512022-04-03T19:14:59.137-07:002022-04-03T19:14:59.137-07:00How can one learn to avoid sin unless one identifi...How can one learn to avoid sin unless one identifies it? How can we help keep ourselves and others from sinning if we never hold anyone to account? Is merely pointing out sinful behavior sinfully "judging others"? If that's the case, then it's hopeless!Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-59899704073839148462022-04-03T19:11:34.194-07:002022-04-03T19:11:34.194-07:00Man, Rock, I touched on this but you detonated and...Man, Rock, I touched on this but you detonated and expanded it! Thank you. Well said! <br /><br />It is silly to think that acting "in love" by hormones and instinct is somehow as malevolent as malicious murder! Doing so either downgrades the severity and consequences of murder or elevates the malignancy of unlawful sexual intercourse to malignant proportions.<br /><br />That being said, chastity is a wonderful thing, to be safely guarded. As Jeff Holland pointed out, how we get into this world and we leave it are matters of great and divine import and acts of carnal passion, criminal and otherwise, have real and lasting consequences.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-26692180024556144472022-04-03T18:59:25.103-07:002022-04-03T18:59:25.103-07:00"There is no way that a man being attracted t..."There is no way that a man being attracted to his neighbors wife and having lustful desires towards her is as bad as a man actually sleeping with his neighbor's wife."<br /><br />The net effect is the same inasmuch as both will keep you out of the kingdom of heaven. The first may be, somewhat, easier to repent of, while suffering fewer consequences. But both are still sin and, in that regard, damning.<br /><br />I liked what someone pointed out earlier: we can't keep the commandments by willpower alone. It is only by the infusion of the Holy Spirit that we are spared sinning. The glory is therefore God's, and not ours.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-52342398796076345252022-04-03T18:53:14.715-07:002022-04-03T18:53:14.715-07:00Yep!Yep!Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-91495841348109818712022-04-03T18:52:33.429-07:002022-04-03T18:52:33.429-07:00Well said!Well said!Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-92071627915460341032022-04-03T18:51:00.231-07:002022-04-03T18:51:00.231-07:00Thank you for the apropos reminder.Thank you for the apropos reminder.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-91201911556881072162022-04-03T18:49:19.850-07:002022-04-03T18:49:19.850-07:00For what it's worth, Alma 39:5 does NOT explic...For what it's worth, Alma 39:5 does NOT explicitly reference sexual immorality. (We assume it is unlawful sex by inference.) The antecedent to Alma's condemnation was his son's boasting of his own strength and wisdom, his forsaking the ministry, and his going after a harlot. Alma condemned "these things," including his son's sexual immorality.<br /><br />The real danger, Alma emphasized, was intentionally sinning of ANY kind!<br /><br />"6 For behold, if ye deny the Holy Ghost when it once has had place in you, and ye know that ye deny it, behold, this is a sin which is unpardonable; yea, and whosoever murdereth against the light and knowledge of God, it is not easy for him to obtain forgiveness; yea, I say unto you, my son, that it is not easy for him to obtain a forgiveness." (Alma 39.)Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-45910436445296985092022-04-03T18:20:32.200-07:002022-04-03T18:20:32.200-07:00I thought Paul was a rug maker. What mindless triv...I thought Paul was a rug maker. What mindless trivia we focus on!Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-92079311520661378832022-04-03T18:18:51.194-07:002022-04-03T18:18:51.194-07:00RH,
I find your penchant for calling Denver Snuf...RH, <br /><br />I find your penchant for calling Denver Snuffer "Snuffy" to be an indicator of your own snobbery, arrogance and dismissiveness. For what it's worth, you don't deserve to have the truth.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-57365162687488817952022-04-03T18:14:43.020-07:002022-04-03T18:14:43.020-07:00Perfect.Perfect.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-58728122495795739552022-04-03T17:51:41.925-07:002022-04-03T17:51:41.925-07:00Outstanding observations, Dale B!Outstanding observations, Dale B!Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-90768540710992105242022-04-03T15:31:04.069-07:002022-04-03T15:31:04.069-07:00MC,
I, like many here, probably including Rock an...MC,<br /><br />I, like many here, probably including Rock and even RFM, have a lot of respect for Brigham Young. Despite whatever moral failings and missteps he had and took, the Mormon Church under his leadership (and those who followed him) has done many great works!<br /><br />But let's not kid ourselves. The Lord condemns even those who work miracles in his name -- because of their iniquities. And MANY iniquities have been committed in the name of the Lord by those who call themselves Mormons. <br /><br />It's NOT a matter of "weighing them in the balance." It's a matter of "have they taught and administered the gospel in its purity and its power, with the attendant fruits thereof?"<br /><br />The answer is "No, they have not." You have already admitted the LDS Church is in apostasy.<br /><br />Case closed.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-81033241188407212622022-04-03T15:21:04.336-07:002022-04-03T15:21:04.336-07:00Oh, Rock, how'd you get to be so damn smart! Y...Oh, Rock, how'd you get to be so damn smart! Your history lesson is right on target. Frankly, while I know it's not the case, I would imagine that any Mormon who read this blog post would be convinced the church has gone astray and that they must look for salvation elsewhere. (But one can always hope!)Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-21607362951150883332022-04-03T15:13:00.288-07:002022-04-03T15:13:00.288-07:00Love you, Underdog2! You're on a roll!Love you, Underdog2! You're on a roll!Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-4196341837848307162022-04-03T15:11:38.928-07:002022-04-03T15:11:38.928-07:00"Where do we go from here?" That's a..."Where do we go from here?" That's a good question! Where did Joseph go? To the grove! To the Lord! And what did he learn there? That all churches had become corrupted. What did the Lord do about it? He led Joseph Smith to the truth.<br /><br />What can we do about it?<br /><br />Likewise.<br /><br />To trust in the arm of flesh and follow men dressed in white is a plan for certain death. Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-78469265758180861632022-04-03T15:09:01.798-07:002022-04-03T15:09:01.798-07:00RH, are you trying to be funny? Do not trifle with...RH, are you trying to be funny? Do not trifle with sacred things. The truths revealed here are of monumental importance.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-3662013133494194912022-04-03T15:07:40.771-07:002022-04-03T15:07:40.771-07:00Love it! You nailed it, Underdog2. That focus -- o...Love it! You nailed it, Underdog2. That focus -- on unrighteous dominion and loss of all priesthood authority -- is one that can easily get overlooked in this discussion. Your comment is an extraordinarily valuable addition to this discussion.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-91458815634536137252022-04-03T15:04:32.456-07:002022-04-03T15:04:32.456-07:00Bam! I don't want to add any superfluous comme...Bam! I don't want to add any superfluous comments here, but you are exactly right, Underdog2!Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.com