tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.comments2024-03-13T12:52:19.391-07:00Pure MormonismAlan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger30146125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-5820714284836601262024-03-13T12:52:19.391-07:002024-03-13T12:52:19.391-07:00Another reason why they gave us the civil war was ...Another reason why they gave us the civil war was to bring into existence the 14th amendment. The 13,14 and 15th amendments didn't free anybody, in fact the 14th amendment is a Trojan horse by making those born or naturalized here a citizen by default. If you identity as a citizen of the U.S., in effect you ae saying "I'm a slave to the government." Most Americans proudly claim to be a citizen of the good old USA.Eric Kuntzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00701839435404901159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-44843196546028315472024-03-13T09:03:05.748-07:002024-03-13T09:03:05.748-07:00Good one Rock.
There is no Coriolis effect from t...Good one Rock.<br /><br />There is no Coriolis effect from the earth. It's never been shown to exist.<br /><br />No curative of earth's supposed shape has been found.<br /><br />The only thing NASA has ever sent to space is your imagination. Eric Kuntzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00701839435404901159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-15524588387463122712024-03-10T13:54:34.381-07:002024-03-10T13:54:34.381-07:00Thanks Rock for interesting commentary, as always....Thanks Rock for interesting commentary, as always. Just a couple quick points:<br /><br />If you want proof the world ain't flat, talk to any ex-military that had to fire guns over a long distance and actually hit something. They had to correct for the curvature of the earth otherwise they missed. Here's a good explanation:<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKTvZ8azi5U<br /><br />Secondly, I will pass on to any honest truth-seeker one thing: If you sincerely ask God to show you what falsehoods and error you believe as true, ask Him, and He will tell you. He has corrected me on a few things when I asked the question. Honest truth-seekers have to be prepared to slay sacred cows, but few will because they fear the unknown; having shared beliefs is comforting. Everything we believe and think we know should always be held as at least somewhat suspect, but that takes work and creates uncertainty. We have to be able to operate in uncertainty. In addition to faith you also have to be able to tolerate surprises, as some things go entirely against the grain you thought.<br /><br />Based on some comments I saw about polygamy, there's still some sacred cows that need to be shot. The answer ain't what you think (or in many cases decided).grudenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05723556100733166967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-63517682982702926452024-03-07T23:07:20.539-08:002024-03-07T23:07:20.539-08:00The Electric Universe idea is interesting. It giv...The Electric Universe idea is interesting. It gives an explanation for deep scars like the Grand Canyon and why there are similar scars on Mars. When you look at an image of Valles Marineris on Mars, it looks more like scar from a cut than some ancient river bed. It is interesting that every thought, or every interaction of the nervous system is all based on electric current. <br /> Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14806848698862693059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-65140937303738919322024-03-06T22:07:11.446-08:002024-03-06T22:07:11.446-08:00Nice article thank you for this. Check the Kenya v...Nice article thank you for this. Check the Kenya visa requirements before<br /><a href="https://www.vcubesoftsolutions.com/web-designing-training-in-kukatpally/" rel="nofollow">Web Designing Training in Kukatpally</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-64503768315162286032024-03-05T08:45:59.069-08:002024-03-05T08:45:59.069-08:00Dave has it right. The sun is brightest and stron...Dave has it right. The sun is brightest and strongest near the Equator, thus "Thermal Eddies" from the sun would be strongest there, yet the Coriolis effect is non-existent at the Equator, and strongest at the poles. Also, the Coriolis effect is seen both day and night, and inside of enclosed buildings in the form of water swirling down drains.<br /><br />Regarding Cael's comment, it reminds me of the Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll "revolution" of the Sixties, which was a CIA project to corrupt and discredit the Anti-War movement.<br /><br />The flat-earth movement performs a similar function today; it tries to trap people who see what's really going on ("conspiracy theorists") and discredit them for following something so ridiculous. I have a niece who accused me of exactly that; she has a sister who is very perceptive of a lot of the conspiracies of the secret combinations, but who has also fallen for this flat-earth stuff. <br /><br />I'm actually surprised that Rock seems to have fallen for it. If you want to find a much more likely conspiracy regarding astronomy look up Electric Universe. Perhaps Rock could look into that and do a blog post on it, as it matches up pretty closely to the "Light of Christ" that energizes the creation according to the LDS scriptures.PNW_DPerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16203324465643216620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-6519931807036900792024-03-04T14:16:53.057-08:002024-03-04T14:16:53.057-08:00Kind of interesting to me that the comments sectio...Kind of interesting to me that the comments section is mostly about the flat vs round argument.<br /><br />In my opinion, the other stuff Rock presents is far more interesting and relevant.<br /><br />Been reading the two PDF downloads recommended by Rock, one about Abraham Lincoln and the one about the Subject Which Shall Not Be Questioned. Very compelling, and worth asking the questions. <br /><br />These days, anything that the mainstream protects as universally true while villifying those who ask the questions or believe contrary are, in my opinion, the things most worth digging up and shining a light on.<br /><br />Thanks for the article, Rock. I'm not a Snuffer fan, but I am a truth junkie, and I appreciate your willingness to seek, ask, and share.Caelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-67355432307055891332024-03-03T21:13:32.872-08:002024-03-03T21:13:32.872-08:00Coriolis effect on flat earth is because of the mo...Coriolis effect on flat earth is because of the movement of the sun along the equator. Close / "small" / local sun. Essentially they're thermal eddies. Like when you drag an oar through the water Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-80245096713420795462024-02-21T19:03:16.391-08:002024-02-21T19:03:16.391-08:00The coriolis effect is a good indicator of the sha...The coriolis effect is a good indicator of the shape and movement of the earth. The fact that winds deflect to the right in the northern hemisphere and to the left in the southern hemisphere with no deflection at the equator gives you an indication of both the shape and movement. If the world was flat, then you would not have variation. If the world was pear shaped, then that variation would not be in the middle. If the earth was shaped like your Play-Doh potato shape, then you would detect a noticeable wobble in the rotation.<br /><br />Your oblate spheroid is much more extreme than would actually be observed. The earth is wider at the equator and somewhat more narrow towards the poles.<br /><br />Another good indication of shape is GPS coordinates. If the world was some funky shape, then the GPS coordinates would not map out like they do. The fact that you can find a specific location based on those coordinates is pretty good evidence that it is an object that is circular in its shape. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14806848698862693059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-55729588198293039212024-02-21T04:43:14.816-08:002024-02-21T04:43:14.816-08:00Thanks for that link, SMSmith. Definitely food for...Thanks for that link, SMSmith. Definitely food for thought. I find it interesting how we try to outguess God when it's entirely possible there are things about his creation that we simply can't explain from out limited way of thinking.Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-45537817123214876842024-02-19T06:40:17.218-08:002024-02-19T06:40:17.218-08:00Discover the latest trends and fashion tips on our...Discover the latest trends and fashion tips on our stylish blog. From the hottest Nike sneakers to timeless Tiffany & Co. jewelry, we've got you covered. And don't miss our feature on the must-have <a href="https://getvarsityjackets.com/product/tiffany-and-co-nike-varsity-jacket/" rel="nofollow">nike tiffany and co jacket</a> of the season!Steven Markuphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02469960970489646337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-31711698679010053922024-02-18T16:11:05.136-08:002024-02-18T16:11:05.136-08:00It is comforting to see that others join me in thi...It is comforting to see that others join me in this view of unlawful states. It is one thing that people would choose to live in a land with others who are there before them, in peace, but it is entirely another for foreign governments, unlawful states themselves, to force one more unlawful state upon these people.<br /><br />These people are victims of these governments to this day and resolution is not in sight. When we learn that these governments are the mechanisms of tyranny and genocide and are the problem themselves, not the people, then we might have hope in a peaceful future.Joe Brightnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-17746044610479184742024-02-18T12:28:56.343-08:002024-02-18T12:28:56.343-08:00I very much enjoy the posts! I unfortunately think...I very much enjoy the posts! I unfortunately think it is far more insidious that you think. Netanyahu’s gov has provided support to Hamas. Israel uses Hamas to stir the up the people so the State of Israel can do what they want. Just as 911 was a secret combination false flag to get us excited about war in the Middle a east, so the State of Israel used Hamas to psyop the people and world for support to go to war. There is nothing good about it. We (all people) need to wake up and recognize when the Gadiantons are pulling our strings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-53363038241965043082024-02-17T19:28:35.733-08:002024-02-17T19:28:35.733-08:00In 2019, I read a fascinating book: A Beginner'...In 2019, I read a fascinating book: <i>A Beginner's Guide to Constructing the Universe: The Mathematical Archetypes of Nature, Art, and Science: A Voyage from 1 to 10</i> by Michael S. Schneider. He doesn't write about flat earth, but his study of “the mathematics of ‘structure, function, order’” caused me to ponder the question: Could the earth be square? and circular? and flat? and cubic? and spherical? all at the same time? <b>In other words, a flat square within a circle where we all live, sustained by a foundation cube, all of which is enclosed within a protecting sphere.</b> <br />A number of selected quotes from Schneider’s book can be found in this "ponder" post inspired by his book: <a href="https://dejavu-timestwo.blogspot.com/2019/12/could-earth-be-square.html" rel="nofollow">https://dejavu-timestwo.blogspot.com/2019/12/could-earth-be-square.html</a>SMSmithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11941737079057393922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-44748032728432909412024-02-14T17:23:24.179-08:002024-02-14T17:23:24.179-08:00Hey Rock,
I am watching Eric Dubay's video, a...Hey Rock,<br /><br />I am watching Eric Dubay's video, and wow, he even mentions certain stars being observed from the same viewing point all year around. I had commented (previous comment) about the North Star being steadfastly in the same position year round. I hadn't heard anyone mention that fact in any material that I have read or watched, so I feel vindicated. Thank you for suggesting that video.<br /><br />I also appreciate the fact that people voice their opinions, because it helps me refine my thoughts on subjects. So "thank yous" go out to those who replied to my posted comments with their differing viewpoints. I appreciate their helping me think things through more thoroughly.Linda Galehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04935171755082721769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-14889611474042357982024-02-14T08:23:04.618-08:002024-02-14T08:23:04.618-08:00WHAT?!
I just noticed I broke my own rule above by...WHAT?!<br />I just noticed I broke my own rule above by inadvertantly posting my lengthy comment as "Anonymous"! I assure you all that was by accident; I simply wasn't paying attention when it got to the part of actually posting. Anyway, just so you all know, the comment comparing global earth proponents with the "Joseph Did It" crowd, with the time stamp of February 14th at 6:13 am was written by me, Rock Waterman, humble editor and proprietor of the blog you are presently reading. Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-81463744306972940172024-02-14T06:25:37.479-08:002024-02-14T06:25:37.479-08:00Mike T,
Gosh I don't recall specifically where...Mike T,<br />Gosh I don't recall specifically where I found the information that Brigham Young's original intent was to settle somewhere in California (which, unlike the Utah territory, was not under the control of the U.S. government.)<br /><br />We were all raised, of course, with the belief that the Saints were headed for the Rockies, when suddenly Brigham Young got the impression from God that "this is the right place." Revisionist historians later revealed that the Mexican territory of California was the ultimate destination, but I'm guessing the hardship of the long trip thus far was enough to easily convince the Saints that the Great Basin was as good a place as any to stop right there. They could have been wrong if one accepts the possibility that Pierre De Smet had scoped out the Great Basin are beforehand and recommended Brigham settle the Saints there.<br />Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-14198807070409847872024-02-14T06:19:11.405-08:002024-02-14T06:19:11.405-08:00Jeremiah, I think Denver's video is well worth...Jeremiah, I think Denver's video is well worth watching, but then unlike you, I AM a big video watcher. The older I get, the more inclined I am to watch a video in order to get the gist of a topic than I am to invest 9-12 hours reading a book. But I also like tracking down footnotes and sources, which is why I also recommend Denver's book. (which won't take you 9-12 hours to read, by the way.)Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-36221239906092414382024-02-14T06:13:53.144-08:002024-02-14T06:13:53.144-08:00I guess I should have expected that readers might ...I guess I should have expected that readers might want to debate the flat earth hypothesis in this forum, and you're welcome to do so but I don't intend to participate in that discussion myself for the simple reason I don't know enough about the subject. A few years back I spent a considerable amount of time investigating that theory as well as looking for books and videos to refute it. What I found was the flat earthers made a compelling argument, while those hoping to defend the globe position rarely addressed the anomolies presented by the other side. <br /><br />This is pretty much what I've seen whenever the "Joseph Did It" crowd attempts to refute what they call the "polygamy deniers." I continue to see a lot of smug ridicule from the other side that consists mostly of dismissing their opponents without ever taking on the evidence their opponents offer up. Justin Griffin presents some of that ridicule at the very beginning of his video, "What Is A Polygamy Denier?" You'll notice they all begin with the "everybody knows" assumption:<br /><br />https://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2020/01/joseph-smith-and-polygamy-persistence.html<br /><br />Dismissing is not the same as refuting. As for the arguments presented here in the comments in support of the conventional narrative regarding the shape of the earth, I can only say that those arguments HAVE been addressed elsewhere by the flat earthers, so I'm not the guy qualified to address them. There are, of course many more sources than "200 Proofs," which is the only one I cited. That video brings up some interesting anomalies; hundreds of other books and videos raise many more questions that would have to be addressed before assuming the matter is settled. I came across some guy known as Flat-Earth Dave who provides several videos he presents as a Flat Earth Crash Course, so those interested might want to look him up and begin their search with his recomendations. Some look to me at first glance to be more interesting than others, but if you're interested in going down that rabbit hole, you can pick and choose from among them here:<br /><br />https://www.theflatearthpodcast.com/flat-earth-crash-course/<br /><br /> And of course there are plenty of books one can consult that refute the refuters. Mark Sargent's work is among the best known, and he often takes a lighter approach to the subject that I find more entertaining than some of the drier offerings out there.<br /><br />As for the problem I continue to see among those who insist Joseph originated polygamy without ever addressing the arguments, what I saw was a lot of ad hominem arguments and ridicule instead of actual refutations. Dismissing an argument is not the same as debunking an argument. I address that in my post titled "Joseph Smith and Polygamy: Persistence of a Myth" where I discuss a panel that was assembled by the "Joseph Did It" faction to put the matter to rest once and for all. Instead of addressing the evidence, however, they simply dismissed and ridiculed those raising legitimate questions. In my way of thinking, that is not how you advance the dialogue in an attempt at getting to the truth of a matter. Here is the link to my reaction essay:<br /><br />https://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2020/01/joseph-smith-and-polygamy-persistence.html<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-51598196647735688802024-02-13T18:17:39.615-08:002024-02-13T18:17:39.615-08:00Thanks DPer for your explanation.
The UN emblem is...Thanks DPer for your explanation.<br />The UN emblem is not Mercator.<br /><br />From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia<br /><br />An azimuthal equidistant projection about the North Pole extending all the way to the South Pole<br /><br />An azimuthal equidistant projection about the South Pole extending all the way to the North Pole<br /><br />Emblem of the United Nations containing a polar azimuthal equidistant projection<br />The azimuthal equidistant projection is an azimuthal map projection. It has the useful properties that all points on the map are at proportionally correct distances from the center point, and that all points on the map are at the correct azimuth (direction) from the center point. A useful application for this type of projection is a polar projection which shows all meridians (lines of longitude) as straight, with distances from the pole represented correctly.<br /><br />The flag of the United Nations contains an example of a polar azimuthal equidistant projection. The polar azimuthal equidistant projection has also been adopted by 21st century Flat Earthers as a map of the Flat Earth, particularly due to its use in the UN flag and its depiction of Antarctica as a ring around the edge of the Earth.Linda Galehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04935171755082721769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-88540387427487579192024-02-13T15:50:10.314-08:002024-02-13T15:50:10.314-08:00Any flat representation of a sphere or sphere-like...Any flat representation of a sphere or sphere-like object (obloid, pear, lumpy play-dough ball, etc) will have distortions. Attempts to show a map or features of a ball-like object are called projections, and different projections have different distortions. <br /><br />One of the most common projections is called the Mercator Projection which is especially useful for long-range navigation because a straight line for navigation drawn on a Mercator Projection map closely (but not perfectly) follows a real life Great Circle route. <br /><br />But the Mercator Projection introduces the distortion of making objects and land masses near the Poles look much larger than they really are compared to near the Equator. For example, even though Alaska is the largest US state in area, a Mercator Projection makes Alaska look even 2 or 3 times larger than it really is compared to the lower 48 states. <br /><br />If a "UN" map is using the Mercator Projection, it would likely show the shortest distance from SoCal to Japan going over Alaska, whereas a different projection might show landmasses in proper proportion, but straight lines would not show Great Circle routes that are shortest on the real world.,PNW_DPerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16203324465643216620noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-32231829132880731562024-02-13T03:56:23.405-08:002024-02-13T03:56:23.405-08:00Rock-
I quite like Tolkien's narrative that t...Rock-<br /><br />I quite like Tolkien's narrative that the world WAS flat until a divine cataclysm happened to change the world to a round shape in order to remove the Sacred Land from off the mortal plane. Parker Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10951566526529692329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-56046003038568815402024-02-12T16:25:52.314-08:002024-02-12T16:25:52.314-08:00Dear PNW_DPer,
The UN map shows how easily one co...Dear PNW_DPer,<br /><br />The UN map shows how easily one could fly an airplane from So.Cal to Tokyo by going in a straight line, if one flew over Alaska. No curvature needed.<br />This seems to be what I experienced all those years ago.<br /><br />Is the earth flat? Probably not, but the UN map makes one wonder about its shape.Linda Galehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04935171755082721769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-84559333692793079672024-02-12T16:19:51.087-08:002024-02-12T16:19:51.087-08:00Thomas,
Here is an experiment for you to prove yo...Thomas,<br /><br />Here is an experiment for you to prove your opinion of the planets being round. Do you mean the planets are round like a ball or round like a pizza?<br /><br />Take a baseball and wrap it in a reflective material, maybe aluminium foil. Turn off all the lights and shine a flashlight from a distance, onto the center of the shiny ball. What do you see? Do you see the light reflected in a true pizza shape? Probably not as the ball will reflect only the area where the flashlight is focused. The entirety of the shiny ball will not reflect and spread onto the entire surface of the ball, as that is impossible on a round object.Linda Galehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04935171755082721769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-23674571768227391692024-02-12T15:27:45.255-08:002024-02-12T15:27:45.255-08:00Brock, “The Living Lincoln” is a book of Lincoln’s...Brock, “The Living Lincoln” is a book of Lincoln’s personal handwritten papers and speeches that is a fascinating read, and thoroughly demolishes the public myth of Lincoln by Lincoln himself. Second, I had been taught Joseph knew of the Salt Lake Valley, and intended to move from Navou as a place of safety for the saints. I had never heard Brigham intended to move to CA, and wondered where you got that tidbit from. Mike Tnoreply@blogger.com