tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post9070577861736608877..comments2024-03-28T15:23:18.071-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: Infallible Authority, Chapter ThreeAlan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-35866628270859046372016-11-14T18:18:24.076-08:002016-11-14T18:18:24.076-08:00With everyone having an opinion about the interpre...With everyone having an opinion about the interpretation of scripture, would it not be awesome to have a Prophet, Seer and Revelator who could expound on these meanings which would end disputes and speculations ----just sayin Pepper Davishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01310019378286777922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-13046121514647710292016-01-30T05:12:53.540-08:002016-01-30T05:12:53.540-08:00The Woman is Israel not the Church, Jesus won'...The Woman is Israel not the Church, Jesus won't be marrying his mother. The Man-Child is The Church.<br /><br />Chapter 12 doesn't refer to two periods, the narrative simply returns to the Woman as she is fleeing, everything in Chapter 12 happens probably the same day.<br /><br />http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2016/01/my-hypothesis-for-fulfillment-of-fall.htmlKuudere-Kunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-83992977407173644322013-03-05T08:23:15.006-08:002013-03-05T08:23:15.006-08:00Dewey's interpretation of Revelation 12 is fla...Dewey's interpretation of Revelation 12 is flawed. Verses 1 through 6 tersely describe the time between the inception of the Twelve Tribes of Israel up until the Restoration of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Verses 7 through 11 describe the the war in the pre-existence. It's somewhat of a flashback to give you context for why the dragon is persecuting the woman. But then in verse 13 the original storyline is resumed, giving us a bit of a repetition of previous events to let us know where we are picking back up in the story. If we were to take Dewey's approach to all of these latter verses, we'd have to conclude that two "man child"s were born (verse 5 and 13). What we actually find is that the book of Revelation often repeats the same events with different details but similar details so that those who carefully piece together the similarities find a fuller prophetic picture. Chapter 12 is actually somewhat of a preview of much of the rest of the book (Many of the later chapters delve into details of this relationship between the woman and this dragon/beast).<br /><br />You'll see three parallels between verses 1 through 6 and verses 13 through 14.<br /><br />1) The woman brings forth a man child<br />2) The woman flees into the wilderness<br />3) She is nourished in the wilderness for 1260 days or 3.5 times<br /><br />You'll notice that 1260 divides evenly by 3.5 into 360, which is a number of God. 360 is approximately the number of days in a year (some call it a prophetic year). Divide 360 by the 12 stars spoken of in verse 1 and you get 30; 12 representing the number of months and 30 representing the number of days. This is a bit of a hint that the 1260 days are meant to be interpreted as years. Doing that we can subtract 1260 from the date of the Restoration (1830 AD) we get 570 AD, an approximate beginning date for the Great Apostasy and also the year Muslims say their Prophet Muhammed was born. When Muhammed is grown he forms the religion which rules the last head of the Beast. See the Cardston Temple vision for evidence of this. For a scriptural argument you can read my blog post titled "Harlot and the Beast" (http://noblenarcissist.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/harlot-and-the-beast/).<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-49608868951099223272012-04-28T10:29:02.631-07:002012-04-28T10:29:02.631-07:00I appreciate these blog entries very much; it is s...I appreciate these blog entries very much; it is stimulating to read them. However (don't you hate 'however'?)--<br /><br />when a latter-day 'saint' finds great godliness and receptivity to Jesus Christ among non-LDS, then who really ARE 'the saints'?<br /><br />Jesus Christ knows His church. There are two churches. The Church of Jesus Christ and the church of the devil. (why didn't I cap that, I wonder) I have believed for some time that earthly denominations are really rather loosely considered by Jesus Christ.<br /><br />While I, as an LDS (and "active", TR holding) acknowledge the importance of the restoration and the holding of keys (and I don't think those men who hold them are 'evil', even though I think the corporation's existence is evil; I think of this as the 'church in captivity', much as righteous kinds were held in captivity in Ether), I really take, beyond being grateful for my own membership in a vague way, a person's membership in 'the church' as being a rather superficial thing. It is a person's deeds that determine whether or not someone follows Jesus Christ.<br /><br />I wink at the general authorities, while listening to them, sometimes agreeing with them, sometimes not. There are those who do seem to be more 'prophetic' than others to me. There are those about whom I feel wary. The church had to be restored. "Saints" who are pure in heart will build Zion, and they won't have to be baptized members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I don't even believe (this is just MY belief, please don't think you have to agree at all) that all those who are pure in heart will be professed Christians. Jesus knows who His followers are. He always has, and He always will, and the label on the head means very little (spoken lightly)--<br /><br />After years and years of meeting with 'wolves' within the church, people who were almost psychopathic in their drive to get the numbers up and cared very little about hearts and shrugged off any great desire to become part of the body of Christ (by their actions and words) and who persecuted some of the gentle spirits that I knew were 'pure in heart' around me--<br /><br />I really have given up trying to find fellowship among LDS, except those who really behave like saints.<br /><br />Saints are everywhere. They are in every major religion, in every country. As to whether there are fewer of them in Utah than in other places, I won't say. I really don't know. I suspect there are some very good people who are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints even in Utah.<br /><br />I do read the Bible quite a bit, but I focus on the Book of Mormon more than any other book, and I read it constantly and ravenously. I don't always understand the Doctrine & Covenants, however.<br /><br />Thank you for reading this, if you do.<br /><br />And sometimes I feel sad that it does feel that the poor of the church are being neglected, even here in America, but--<br /><br />I believe this is a fulfillment of Book of Mormon prophecy, and I'm not surprised by it. How will Zion be built? I wait to be amazed. I don't limit Jesus Christ. And He cares about those who love Him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-56380559151387557242011-12-05T18:39:23.736-08:002011-12-05T18:39:23.736-08:00The Devil actually hated the Manifesto, he wanted ...The Devil actually hated the Manifesto, he wanted polygamy to go on & on. The devil has always loved polygamy & has tried throughout the history of the world to get all men & women to live it. And he has succeeded very well in many societies, for the carnal & prideful desires of most men cause them to easily fall for polygamy when offered it.<br /><br />The agreement the Church made with the U.S. was a good, righteous & necessary thing that they had to do or else they would have been destroyed as a Church. <br /><br />For Joseph Smith taught & warned the world that plural marriage was & is in every case in the history of the world, a most vile adulterous abomination.<br /><br />Plural marriage had brought the Church to the edge of being destroyed, as sin & evil eventually always does.<br /><br />So Ch. leaders breaking their marr. covenants to their plural wives would have been a good & righteous thing, despite the pain it caused everyone, which sin & repentance always brings. <br /><br />Stopping plural marriage was the road to repentance or should have been & keeping the covenant with the U.S. was a good & righteous thing too. It was finally honoring the Constitution & the equal rights & dignity of women. <br /><br />Committing to end plural marriage is what saved the Church from destruction & allowed the Church time to repent, which it has in many ways, but still is in near complete apostasy from continuing to commit many others sins, just as evil or worse than polygamy.<br /><br />Plus, the Church hasn't completely repented of polygamy yet, it still preaches, promises & practices 'serial polygamy' for men who are widowed & divorced. It still teaches & promises that men can have more wives than one in heaven & that plural marriage will be brought back.<br /><br />Until the Church repents from teaching & allowing any form of polygamy, even sealing widowers in remarriage to other women, it will never be ready or worthy or acceptable for Zion.<br /><br />Only the few people who are clean & pure from all whoredoms & evils, like polygamy, will be ready to meet Christ when He comes & help him establish Zion.<br /><br />It appears the Church went into near complete apostasy in Joseph Smith's day & rejected the Gospel of Jesus Christ & his one true law of marriage - Monogamy, which Joseph was trying to teach them. But it was too hard, they instead wanted whoredoms like polygamy.<br /><br />Thus, most of the members & leaders of the Church rejected Christ & Joseph's teachiings & were deceived to fall for plural marriage & many other falsehoods & philosophies of men & go into apostasy, as has happened so many times before throughout history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-14355716496589337812011-12-05T16:18:03.422-08:002011-12-05T16:18:03.422-08:00Times are of prophecy fulfillment are dependent on...Times are of prophecy fulfillment are dependent on many factors, but things are happening at 3 Nephi speeds, right now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com