tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post8596084590170231410..comments2024-03-26T21:27:42.278-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: How Jesus Christ Was Ousted As Head Of The Church of Jesus ChristAlan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger182125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-27465182839175018312022-04-06T02:47:04.846-07:002022-04-06T02:47:04.846-07:00The Lord has provided milk, and meat, as well as b...The Lord has provided milk, and meat, as well as bread and water. All are free to partake as they wish. Jesus Christ is the God of this land, as well as the Head of His Church. It is He, who is the Temple, the Food and Water- and to the Restored Church through the Boy Prophet, our Ark, wherein resides the Covenant. Jesus Christ is the only Truth on the Earth.Tecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17308191376035579887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-46709005047754909532022-04-04T05:26:02.734-07:002022-04-04T05:26:02.734-07:00No, that is a conclusion that many of us arrived a...No, that is a conclusion that many of us arrived at. You just articulated our deductions.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-27958220559793412852022-04-04T05:23:57.089-07:002022-04-04T05:23:57.089-07:00Dang, Underdog2! I wouldn't want to be called ...Dang, Underdog2! I wouldn't want to be called onto the carpet by you! (But, then again, maybe I would. You would certainly set me straight!)Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-27030790195243855782022-04-04T05:15:40.039-07:002022-04-04T05:15:40.039-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-38579604285204485002022-04-04T05:10:18.362-07:002022-04-04T05:10:18.362-07:00Your explication, Jason Wharton, makes the gospel ...Your explication, Jason Wharton, makes the gospel and kingdom of God sound like a Rube Goldberg contraption! How on Earth can anyone make sense of it and why would they want to? Sheesh! What a load of rigmarole!Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-15577381860601701562022-04-04T05:06:54.295-07:002022-04-04T05:06:54.295-07:00And thank you, Brenda, for sharing that beautiful ...And thank you, Brenda, for sharing that beautiful witness and testimony.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-14652957485255149262022-04-04T05:03:10.101-07:002022-04-04T05:03:10.101-07:00Lilli,
Please identify for us the true prophets w...Lilli,<br /><br />Please identify for us the true prophets who testified of Christ that we might be able to recognize him.<br /><br />I'll wait.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-38715513149578571722022-04-04T04:40:55.150-07:002022-04-04T04:40:55.150-07:00Believing the scriptures are written almost exclus...Believing the scriptures are written almost exclusively by wicked men and that Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon in a way OTHER than the way he said he did is a pretty whacked-out theory, Lilli! It makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE! But thanks for playing. You otherwise have the right idea about polygamy (mostly).Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-19898484672997669922022-04-04T04:34:39.140-07:002022-04-04T04:34:39.140-07:00Underdog2,
It is difficult for us to interpret Ja...Underdog2,<br /><br />It is difficult for us to interpret Jacob 2 contrary to the way we have been "conditioned" by polygamists (who wrest the scriptures to their own destruction) to interpret it. Otherwise, we would read it just as Jacob intended! He said that, if God wills to raise up righteous seed unto him, he will command his people to avoid polygamy; otherwise (he observed) they will "hearken unto these things," meaning it is our natural tendency to pursue carnal exploits. <br /><br />That is the entire thrust of Jacob's argument and it makes no sense to turn it all on its head simply because of one poorly constructed sentence, an obvious omission, or a poor choice of words.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-42495052578219012032022-04-04T04:20:44.001-07:002022-04-04T04:20:44.001-07:00You continue to argue that Abraham was a wicked ma...You continue to argue that Abraham was a wicked man, whereas God called him the father of the faithful. I hardly imagine that God would call himself the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob if these men were wicked. Abraham is actually identified in scripture by Christ as one who now sits in heaven! So your argument is completely false. While God did not command Abraham or Jacob to practice polygamy, God certainly tolerated it -- as he does most of the bad things we do! He works with us in our weakness.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-59019500829137050632022-04-04T04:16:26.267-07:002022-04-04T04:16:26.267-07:00Great arguments, Lilli! You gave me some I never t...Great arguments, Lilli! You gave me some I never thought of before! <br /><br />I especially like the one where Jesus's disciples said it was better not to marry (if you shouldn't divorce or practice polygamy) and the one where you should ask "what would happen if everyone did it?" <br /><br />Nice.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-46231087017842666042022-04-04T04:06:01.200-07:002022-04-04T04:06:01.200-07:00Surprisingly, Abraham and his grandson, Jacob, are...Surprisingly, Abraham and his grandson, Jacob, are not condemned for their extramarital sexual liaisons by Jacob's namesake in Jacob 2, but David and Solomon were! <br /><br />Abraham and Jacob were reluctant to enter into polygamy, while David and Solomon seemed eager to practice it! Abraham and Jacob did it to raise up children, whereas David and Solomon seemed to do it for both political and personal "benefits."<br /><br />Contrary to Underdog2's assertion, God (in Jacob 2) in no wise approves of or condones polygamy. The whole thrust of Jacob's divinely sanctioned sermon is to CONDEMN polygamy (as an "abomination") in no uncertain terms. Jacob points out that Lehi was commanded to leave Jerusalem precisely to RAISE UP SEED in righteousness, unencumbered and unpolluted by the false traditions of the Jews, who practiced polygamy. Therefore, if the Lord would raise up seed, Jacob says, God would command his people (as he did Lehi) to abstain from polygamy; otherwise, Jacob observed, they will hearken unto these (wicked) things.<br /><br />Modern Mormonism's lustful and polygamous leaders have, ironically, turned Jacob's admonition to avoid polygamy and his observation that men will otherwise practice it into a license to do just that!Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-29045015549032352952022-04-04T03:50:02.162-07:002022-04-04T03:50:02.162-07:00Well said! Thank you for that added perspective.Well said! Thank you for that added perspective.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-63718025341380338422022-04-04T03:37:09.069-07:002022-04-04T03:37:09.069-07:00Who are you, Underdog2, you "sound" to m...Who are you, Underdog2, you "sound" to me like Adrian Larsen!Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-73301835906485452112022-04-03T20:37:55.420-07:002022-04-03T20:37:55.420-07:00Lol. I share your sense of humor, Matt.
--Will Ca...Lol. I share your sense of humor, Matt.<br /><br />--Will CarterGood Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-29343753761584608272022-04-03T20:32:44.951-07:002022-04-03T20:32:44.951-07:00Underdog2,
Perhaps by now (5 years later) you are...Underdog2,<br /><br />Perhaps by now (5 years later) you are well aware of the thought shift that has takien place with regard to Jacob 2. <br /><br />The verse specifically relied upon to justify polygamy in fact says just the opposite: that in order to raise up a righteous seed, God will commands his people (to be monogamous); otherwise, they will go astray and " hearken unto these things," i.e.,practice forbidden polygamy.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-47475687789367255012022-04-03T20:27:07.145-07:002022-04-03T20:27:07.145-07:00Well reasoned! Thank you.Well reasoned! Thank you.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-42221907284333374742022-04-03T20:24:10.842-07:002022-04-03T20:24:10.842-07:00It's been 5 years since I wrote the comment ab...It's been 5 years since I wrote the comment above and I have since changed my views. I don't believe Joseph Smith ever was a polygamist or even a mason. I believe Brigham Young and Company went back and altered the records to implicate Joseph Smith as both a polygamist and a mason. Their revisions of history and alterations of the records were extensive.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-3365268873909791812022-04-03T17:34:44.206-07:002022-04-03T17:34:44.206-07:00I am literally laughing out loud reading Robin Hoo...I am literally laughing out loud reading Robin Hood's "revelation" above!<br /><br />"Really? You can't see it?<br />'...hearken... you have received my kingdom'.<br />'So no more at present. Amen and Amen.'"<br /><br />Huh? That's it, Robin Hood? You see something in that?<br /><br />There's absolutely NOTHING there!<br />Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-69583631879320059262022-04-03T17:30:45.063-07:002022-04-03T17:30:45.063-07:00Blah, blah, blah, Underdog2, why don't you com...Blah, blah, blah, Underdog2, why don't you come up with some REAL arguments instead of all this unfounded, ahistorical nonsense that lacks a shred of evidence? /sarc ;)Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-40801647351936853182022-04-03T17:27:09.774-07:002022-04-03T17:27:09.774-07:00Unfortunately, your reliance upon D&C 136 dema...Unfortunately, your reliance upon D&C 136 demands that we trust the words of a non-prophet to vouchsafe the principle that the leader of the Church need not be a true prophet! That's hardly an argument to hang one's hat on.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-77915741626747450782022-04-03T17:22:08.649-07:002022-04-03T17:22:08.649-07:00The Lord does NOT "weigh us in the balance&qu...The Lord does NOT "weigh us in the balance" and see if the preponderance of the evidence in our favor is "good enough." He said:<br /><br /> "22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?<br /> 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."<br /><br />Sounds to me like the Lord was talking about Brigham Young.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-54121832228041516352022-04-03T17:16:02.977-07:002022-04-03T17:16:02.977-07:00Absolutely! I'd began with Joseph Smith's ...Absolutely! I'd began with Joseph Smith's First Vision, the angel Nephi, The Book of Mormon, and skim through the restoration of the Gospel, leading up to "restoring" the Church and sending out the first apostles -- all within the first 15 minutes!<br /><br />Then I'd show Brigham Young preaching the gospel to the Cochranites in Saco, Maine, hearing their tales of "spiritual wifey," and catching the attention of a winsome lass! Quickly followed by a scene of him bedding her in the dark of night after a mutually satisfying, "deep spiritual conversation."<br /><br />What to call this saga of spiritual inspiration and carnal corruption, leading to "sanctioned" adultery and bloody murder? "Meat the Mormons"? <br /><br />Nah.<br /><br />But this IS a drama WORTHY of a Netflix series. It has ALL the elements. You wouldn't even need to be religious to appreciate all the intrigue, lies, looting and backstabbing.<br /><br />It's simply breathtaking to consider how far the church has risen (and fallen) in nearly 200 years.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-88150627760660759582022-04-03T17:00:49.962-07:002022-04-03T17:00:49.962-07:00R. Metz,
Wow! Talk about throwing fuel onto the f...R. Metz,<br /><br />Wow! Talk about throwing fuel onto the fire! By referencing Heber J. Grant's misguidance, you certainly put an exclamation point on RFM's assertion that the LDS Church is now in full-blown apostasy, led by false prophets, beginning with Brigham Young.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-68395265738427977512022-04-03T16:56:45.730-07:002022-04-03T16:56:45.730-07:00Underdog2,
Your love/hate regard for Brigham You...Underdog2, <br /><br />Your love/hate regard for Brigham Young here reminds me very much of Adrian Larsen's post A Tale of Two Carpenters.Good Willhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09741814252871576371noreply@blogger.com