tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post8546028469992842305..comments2024-03-13T12:52:19.391-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: Bring Ye All The Tithes Into The StoresAlan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger178125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-3619796081345194202017-06-13T05:27:37.957-07:002017-06-13T05:27:37.957-07:00What is Samuel the Lamanite appeared and began to ...What is Samuel the Lamanite appeared and began to preach repentance to the Mormon Church? Would the members of the Church listen, or would they cast him out and say that a prophet cannot be other than the "prophets, seers, and revelators" of the Church?<br /><br />In Helaman 16 of the Book of Mormon, we learn that Samuel the Lamanite was called to prophesy to the members of the Church about their iniquities. The Nephites who believed Samuel turned to Nephi to baptized them, who held the keys of baptism, rather than Samuel, who came from outside of the Church:<br /><br />"And now, it came to pass that there were many who heard the words of Samuel, the Lamanite, which he spake upon the walls of the city. And as many as believed on his word went forth and sought for Nephi; and when they had come forth and found him they confessed unto him their sins and denied not, desiring that they might be baptized unto the Lord. ... [T]he Spirit of the Lord was with him . ... [The believers] went away unto Nephi to be baptized. ... [A]s many as believed on the words of Samuel went forth unto [Nephi] to be baptized, for they came repenting and confessing their sins. ...[B]ehold, he did cast himself down from the wall, and did flee out of their lands, yea, even unto his own country, and began to preach and to prophesy among his own people. ... And behold, he was never heard of more among the Nephites; and thus were the affairs of the people."<br /><br />But what if the "prophets, seers and revelators" of the Mormon Church have gone astray? What if a modern-day Samuel the Lamanite came to the Church and its leaders and cried repentance unto them? Would we listen to him or reject him, because he came from outside of the Church?fearfullookinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00689166505735183794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-9214534609523926022015-11-27T04:24:52.887-08:002015-11-27T04:24:52.887-08:00These are disturbing facts. I did'nt know abou...These are disturbing facts. I did'nt know about this project, until I read this post. Over here in Europe we don't hear about these things.<br />The extravagancy of the project, and the involvement of the church in financing it are a bit shocking to me, and will likely be an abomination before God; it is another indication of the derailed state of the church in religious matters right now.<br />Malachi 3: 8 and 10 are crucial scripture in this regard; church funds belong to the Lord and must be used strictly for humanitarian efforts and for spreading the good news. This includes any income from investments made by the church, of course, because originally all church assets derive from private donations by “the members”. Also interest and dividends yielded by tithing funds are the Lord's; can I steal 1.000 dollars and put them on a savings account and say that the interest suddenly has become “clean” and now belongs to me? Why would a church want to to be involved in business, in “making money” anyway? Our prophet Joseph Smith has been heard advising that we should not do another day's work nor lay out another dollar to build a gentile city or nation in their present state, because they are full of wickedness. Well, he had an alternative: to build Zion; but downtown Salt Lake City was not exactly what Joseph had in mind, I suppose. This project, on the other hand, must be more the representation of the great and spacious building that Lehi saw in his dream.<br />What an interesting post; I am sure it did not go unnoticed and caused some good annoyance in some circles. Good stuff though; interesting to read that some people still don't realise what is going on in the one true church.<br />Sorry I am late. R. Metzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15875261161185193692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-87109733076866081752015-11-27T04:06:02.103-08:002015-11-27T04:06:02.103-08:00Recall that Joseph Smith HAD NOTHING TO DO with ca...Recall that Joseph Smith HAD NOTHING TO DO with calling of the original Twelve Apostles of the Mormon Church. The Three Witnesses picked the Twelve. Joseph was a true prophet. And the Book of Mormon is true. But the Mormon Church and its leadership are NOT. The humble follower of Christ will be led to the REAL TRUTH about Joseph and the church that claims to be founded by Christ through Joseph. HINT: google "joseph smith" and "official" and "authorized" and the truth seeker will be led to the full disclosure that reveals the REAL Joseph Smith.fearfullookinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00689166505735183794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-11727844813677049222015-09-19T10:35:19.547-07:002015-09-19T10:35:19.547-07:00The Mormon church has never been part of "Chr...The Mormon church has never been part of "Christendom".<br />Isn't that claim a kind of taking the lord's name in vain?Brad Greenwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09937782202253223693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-34528562329139080362014-01-02T09:25:18.708-08:002014-01-02T09:25:18.708-08:00Paul,
One question. Where did the Church get the ...Paul,<br /><br />One question. Where did the Church get the funds to make the investmenrts in the first place?Gary Huntnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-78449976317928117942013-12-19T13:15:56.475-08:002013-12-19T13:15:56.475-08:00I posted your link and got this response: Oh that&...I posted your link and got this response: Oh that's what you are talking about. My Sister, newly baptized into the Church got all freaked out when some misinformed members told her that her Tithing money was going to wards the Mall. I told her that the Church has a very healthy investment portfolio that has nothing to do with the funds that it collects from the membership. The mall money came from these business investments. It is also right next to Temple Square and is a huge improvement on what was there before. There is wild fish, trout that swim in that stream that flows through the mall. The Church has also paid for renovations to the local Catholic Church, historical building, again from profits on it's investments rather then from collection taken from the membership.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-68646561745061163322013-12-11T09:15:57.265-08:002013-12-11T09:15:57.265-08:00I love City Creek, when we come over to Utah from ...I love City Creek, when we come over to Utah from the UK, it was visionary… If you hate the idea of City Creek, then you'll surely love this one instead: http://www.thebunyion.com/2013/12/09/church-to-build-theme-park-to-accelerate-missionary-work/John Deightonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13080337975109142395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-74777160927971507712013-10-14T07:54:43.930-07:002013-10-14T07:54:43.930-07:00Yes, lets build banks. They are such great institu...Yes, lets build banks. They are such great institutions of good and good works. Are you serious? All banks which presently exist are operated on fractional reserve banking laws. Do you know what that means? If you don't I will tell you. It means banks create money out of thin air and then loan it out. It is theft and fraud combined and you want God to engage in that through his church? Why would God want to break his own commandments in order to make a few extra bucks and enslave his children to debt in the process?<br />If God needed more money to do His work he could easily tell his servants where to find oil, gold, diamonds, etc or what options to buy which could turn profits of thousands of percent overnight.<br />Why would God tell His people not to steal and then set up one of the biggest tools of institutional theft(other than government) Himself?<br />If His servants are losing money on investments I see that as pretty good proof they are operating without His or even against His input. Why would God direct His servants to try to profit from people buying useless over-priced designer crap at expensive malls likely using credit and going into debt in the process? <br />What scriptures do you know which would support that course of action?<br /><br />1https://www.blogger.com/profile/01583545885401871178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-25441990701599732112013-08-25T09:51:10.791-07:002013-08-25T09:51:10.791-07:00I guess Joseph Smith's involvement with the fa...I guess Joseph Smith's involvement with the failed Kirtland Anti Banking Sociery brands him a non revelator/false prophet also. Or, do past prophets "get a pass"? Where was Joseph's prophetic insight on that piece of history...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-45280231461355773912012-09-24T14:03:42.785-07:002012-09-24T14:03:42.785-07:00FYI, Denver Snuffer said yesterday that an Apostle...FYI, Denver Snuffer said yesterday that an Apostle has told some folks that Monson has a revelatory announcement (I can't bring myself to say "revelation") that will be made in the upcoming October Conf. Please Rock, if this happens, post it on your blog as I will be traveling all day Saturday, and I'm sorta banned from watching Conference with family, because my exasperation is sometimes evident, as much as I try to hide it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-49812712774031171032012-09-09T06:33:51.827-07:002012-09-09T06:33:51.827-07:00I won’t even address your brief little reference t...I won’t even address your brief little reference to John the Revelator…it has been picked up on by someone else on this thread (Inspire) but I will say in regards to your comments that…..<br /><br />“You intimate a love of and concern for your Mormon people and for Zion and yet you have completely lost your understanding that in the term "building Zion" <br />First off the evil one speaking through you gets more and more desperate as your comments progress or rather DIGRESS towards your worldly view of “Progress”…and the awake among us did catch how you do not include the speaker in the group of “Mormon people and Zion” <br /><br />But you know….Just cause we read The Book of Mormon….does not mean we worship Moroni…even though some have made gold laden statues which supposedly represent him in angelic form, the ancient prophet who compiled those records. We ARE NOT STUPID ENOUGH TO FALL FOR YOUR LIES FOR WE KNOW we are free to learn from Moroni, Mormon, Nephi and all the leading characters of the Nephite history…both their good and BAD example. And while it is not our right to condemn anyone to hell…they do that themselves…but we know we are free to choose…be INSPIRED BY their righteousness…But being FREE to produce art INSPIRED BY DOES NOT MEAN MAKING A CARBON COPY DEVOID OF OUR OWN AGENCY AND CHOICE….I for one am not going down with the so-called “fair ones” who are actually “unfair”…NOPE, I am with God.<br /><br />Now you say that “in the term "building Zion" the word "building" stands prominently.”<br /><br />That’s funny that your own typing betrays you because as I look I see the word “Zion” with a capital Z figure more prominently. But just to humor you…you say that “This certainly entails building people, but it also entails building neighborhoods, building cities, yes even building shopping malls and factories and recreational and entertainment venues.”<br /><br />WHOAH ….slow down….oh…I can see you are really excited about this BULL$#!+…<br />So go ahead.<br /><br />“Let’s build and create, malls, banks, buildings, cities, and everything we need and want, and in so doing learn in a small measure how to mimic our creative Father and his Son of whom Brigham Young said their whole study was to organize and build. Our Father and His Son created a world filled with not just the necessary, but also the beautiful and even the extravagant, for all to enjoy and use and develop.”<br /><br />Once again your apron is showing you Freemason little pipsqueak. <br />WHEN GOD CREATES IT ALL SERVES A PURPOSE…AND YES BEAUTY ITSELF IS A HOLY PURPOSE….but as soon as you see GOD THE FATHER and HIS SON (of whom Brigham Young said their whole study was to organize and build) BUILDING AFTER THE MANNER OF MEN…THEN…THEN WE WILL LISTEN TO YOUR HIGH AND MIGHTY TALK…Until then…SHUT YOUR GAPING JAWS OF HELL UP!!<br />And here’s something for your Superiors …they ought to enjoy and understand this….Destroy&Rebuild …is an eternal precept. Though not one addressed in your typical Gospel Doctrine Class…but you prideful fools know what Im talking about….GENERATOR OPERATOR DESTROYER…He lives IN US…so make sure YOU stay on OUR good side…STAY OUT OF OUR WAY WE WILL STAY OUT OF YOURS…but know this that every man is free…if you want YOUR version of zion…don’t worry you will have it…not that it will last more than a season…but then again you already are aware of this…GO AHEAD (literally) have joy in your works for a short season….but do not deny others their right to kingship just because you are not ready to accept yours yet. I trust you entities will know what I am talking about. <br /><br /><br />Now, to really put my point across and into your vampiric hearts…I BEAR TESTIMONY of these things in the NAME of JESUS CHRIST, AMEN!<br />Elder Chantdownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13491715981251308296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-23241902484420057642012-09-09T06:31:23.100-07:002012-09-09T06:31:23.100-07:00I said that repentance is time travel…so the false...I said that repentance is time travel…so the false zion you zionists are headed towards is a mirage on the horizon…which has already been disassembled….As REAL FORWARD THINKERS like Joseph Smith the Prophet of the Opening of this Last Dispensation have discovered that we have the ability to not only move forward buy BACKWARD in our thinking….and through FULL ACCEPTANCE OF THE ATONEMENT IN THIS FULLNESS OF TIMES we have undone that False zion you are laboring for. The future only looks to be undetermined…the HOR-I-ZON is a place where the wHORe (of Babylon) and the ZION of GOD appear to coincide in a struggle….but the ((I)) of individual choice and agency stand between the two….between the concept and the CONcept…with the HOR on His left hand and the ZONe of truth and righteousness on His right.<br /><br />In a classic case of projection, Anon. attempts to associate us with Judas who said in a line eerily similar to the official church defenders and apologists in regards to City Creek Center…that the money generated from sales “COULD be” used to help the poor. Note brothers and sisters, this is the exact wording you will find from official church sources today who defend the literal building up of Babylon in the Downtown Rising project. We all know that Judas never did want that money for helping the poor. And when Anonymous says that the Lord cares so little about money…then why so much money changing? The Lord answered, “The poor ye have always with you.” Because YOUR DISTORTED, PERVERTED VERSION OF ZION IS ONE WHERE THERE WILL BE PERPETUAL POOR….EATING OUT OF THE HAND OF THE RICH.<br /><br />I can not stress enough how serious this is. It is highly probable that most of the commenters and readers on this post will witness in their lifetimes, the establishment of a BANK by factions of the LDS FAITH which will come to oppress the poor on a scale never before witnessed…yet experimented with in subtle proto-types like GBH’s PERPETUAL DEBT-U-CATION FUND. <br /><br />We must REMEMBER to FORGET THIS PLACE WE’RE IN…blood like a river…we drink from the WAGE of SIN.<br />Elder Chantdownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13491715981251308296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-10000466359282648092012-09-09T06:27:11.602-07:002012-09-09T06:27:11.602-07:00Now he is going to try and appeal to people out th...Now he is going to try and appeal to people out there with a testimony of Joseph’s calling as Prophet of the Restoration. See how he moves on in…knowing that he is dealing with deep roots and that Monson and Malls alone are not going to FOOL THE ELECT. Anonymous says…<br /><br />“Joseph not only opened a branch of a bank, but actually opening the bank operation itself and it failed. Did this diminish his prophetic calling? <br /><br />Note that he is careful not to include these actions in with Joseph’s prophetic calling. In this way Anon. hopes to ensnare us in our thinking. It’s a trick question. Let me point out in a spirit of perfect faith in not only Joseph’s divine calling but the divine calling of each of us….that for some reason Joseph, and all subsequent LDS Leaders who have tried their hand at Mammon have never been “successful”. Is it not clear to us that God’s message is “I and THOSE WHO TRUST IN ME DO NOT NEED YOUR FILTHY LUCRE, YOUR BANKS AND YOUR SHOPPING MALLS!”<br /><br />Anonymous’ comments dwell on J.S. for a while and he says:<br /><br />“Joseph described his vision of a city in which the mere bells on the horses would say "Holiness to the Lord?" What an extravagance!”<br /><br />I would point out that it took GBH to take that very extravagance he claimed to abhor, from ‘imagined’ to levels ‘unimaginable’ with the building of the world’s largest religious structure….our “beloved” conference center which is THE GREAT AND SPACIOUS BUILDING spoken of in Lehi’s Dream….and will FALL.<br /><br />But even more importantly, let me point out to you, Anon., IN CASE YOU HAVENT NOTICED….PROPHETS MAKE MANY MISTAKES…AND THEY LIVE AND LEARN….Or even DIE AND LEARN….Who are you to bring up Joseph’s past transgressions and paint them in a positive light …that is a form of judging too…I ask who are you to act as if Joseph has not repented…which means to rethink…it is time travel….THE LORD GOD REMEMBERS OUR SINS NO MORE…so who the *%$# are you buddy?”<br /><br />What your talking about no longer matters nor does it exist…it is an illusion a mirage glaring before you in your eyes on the horizon, beckoning you to continue misguided visions…but it shall be with you as a hungry man who dreams and awakes and is still starving…you spiritually malnourished piece of vomit. …Just as we have evidence and knowledge of the truth …that prophets are not infallible…I HAVE REAL EVIDENCE OF THE FACT THAT PROPHETS DO IN FACT REPENT. The spirits of Spencer Kimball and Brigham Young are at this time being purified and brooding …mingling with Joseph and other Gods plus God’s children still in this side of the vei. Between both sides….the FATHERS AND THE CHILDREN…YOU CAN NOT PREVAIL AGAINST US!<br />Elder Chantdownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13491715981251308296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-28161698276274639082012-09-09T06:21:17.713-07:002012-09-09T06:21:17.713-07:00Anon. cleverly accuses Rock and any other saints w...Anon. cleverly accuses Rock and any other saints who might find themselves “in agreement as touching this thing” (biblical definition of feeling the unifying effect of the Holy Spirit)…he accuses us of following something which Rock found very strange…but I will show that the wording is specific and calculating…We are supposedly guilty of following “American/Western leftist instincts?” Anon. says, “Well, there goes your probability of success as the West has never come close to succeeding in building Zion?” <br /><br />Its not the ancient eastern traditions of Zen Buddhism or Taoism etc. established by Christ Himself, known to those other sheep in Asia as Krishna or Buddha etc. No, Anon. is talking about modern corrupt communist China as the blueprint. Besides if the west is so far from Zion then why would building more of the what the west builds (Shopping Malls, Banks etc.) bring us closer to Zion? Gotta watch the forked tongue of this Anon. guy and other plants like him. I am not being sarcastic. I am talking about what Ezra Taft Benson talked about, what Moroni and John and anyone can know, who asks of God directly with real intent to GET UP OFF YOUR @$$ AND WORK IN THE REAL VINEYARD. No joke people this is spiritual warfare and the secret combinations are winning at this phase. Choose sides now or get swept away in those forces that GBH talked about.<br /><br />But anyhow, the key reason Rock Waterman, of all people, is accused of being a Leftist (which as he said is a first for him) is because they are priming the people to accept someone like ROMNEY. So they can appeal to the Christ-Shuns who over run this land currently to bully us all to the RIGHT just a bit in their horrible vision of IMBALANCE.<br /><br />Anonymous continues to try and appeal to some sense of loyalty to the Church…but the problem for him and his superiors is that…we the saints are waking up to our conscience and remembering our covenants to Christ. Nonetheless Anon. thinks it worth a shot and whines, “Do you think your HEART and MIND can possibly lend a HAND there? <br /><br />This is what they want…the power of your heart and mind, channeled into arm of flesh programmes like Mormon Helping Hands…which are not pure evil (Nothing can be otherwise God is not Almighty but a liar) but the way in which the Enemy uses such Church programs is by having us slave away making thought bricks which the master builders place in prison walls to contain the real Priesthood Power.<br />Elder Chantdownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13491715981251308296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-49176511949251969252012-09-09T06:18:31.181-07:002012-09-09T06:18:31.181-07:00
Anonymous says that
“the writer of this piece h...<br /><br />Anonymous says that <br />“the writer of this piece has no vision of Zion,”<br />Anonymous’ masters have 5 year, 10 year and even 100 year plans for implementing their Secret Combination version of Zion.<br /><br />Anon. accuses Rock of being <br />“stuck entirely in prideful ***comparative thinking,*** the very root of the ***downfall*** of societies and nations.<br />Listen carefully to Anon’s double speak. He is a Master Mason/Mormon plant which our Father hath not planted. He or those who are feeding his mind with ideas of the false zion which is to come, probably know much more clearly than the average LDS that comparative thinking or a separate This vs That view is precisely what Lucifer used to bring about the Fall of Man…not just the Fall of Rome or the Fall of the World Trade Center. Anon. wants us to put the pieces back together. But not to undo the damn-age brought about by the Devil. He wants to further it. By putting the LDS Church together with the idea of the Kingdom of Zion, Anon. and his masters hope to confuse us in preparation for the more conflation and an eventual merger of Church and State so as to continue with the Saltican City rising like a Phoenix similar to the Vatican City carrying on the Light Bearer’s torch while Rome appeared to crumble before the eyes of the nations. <br /><br />Anon. snidely asks “how would you build Zion ? ….By criticizing and carping? Well, there goes the unity.”<br />The cry of the prophets always is characterized as criticism and complaint by the wicked who believe only in their own schemes and plans.<br />What Anon. or the Handler’s speaking through Anon. really mean is ….there goes our group-think, bee-hive mentality, Coven-ANT, blind following of arm of flesh that our Sweet Lucifer and we have worked so hard for. <br />Observe ants in their colonies and you will see that if one does not follow the rules the others will decapitate their fellow. Were the oaths and penalties associated with the Coven-Ants of the LDS Temp-pulls the strong cords of love which we ought to use to bind our loved ones to us as sealed, Forever-Families? As LDS we have got to shake the beehive mentality of the Insect-In-Us lest we become insensuous –not pertaining to, affecting, or addressing, the senses– in other words insensitive or “past feeling.”<br />Elder Chantdownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13491715981251308296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-69474798405913609392012-09-09T03:29:11.840-07:002012-09-09T03:29:11.840-07:00We are the only people who could be the guilty par...We are the only people who could be the guilty party, since we know better. We have the records and the warnings of this great and spacious building as a sign of the pride of the world. And we are now leading the world in wickedness. This has been gradual and from this point (Oct. Conference of this year) on the LDS people will start to come out of obscurity....but not in a good way...rather bringing their brand of blindness to the world. <br /><br />“Ye are swift to do iniquity, to perpetuate inequity but slow to remember the Lord your God. Ye have seen an angel, but now ye only will see things from your angle, which is not even your own vantage-point in truth, but is one fed to you by mass media. False traditions handed down to you by liars/lawyers, legislators, reporters/repeaters and wizards which peep with Googley eyes and mutter by way of NSA NaySAyers. Your presidents and duly elected officers are soothsayers and truth forsakers, every one. Forked-tongue fakers have replaced the voice of God within you. He spake unto you; yea, ye have heard his voice from time to time; and he hath spoken unto you in a still small voice, but ye were past feeling, that ye could not feel his words; wherefore, he WILL now speak unto you like unto the voice of thunder, which doth CAUSE THE EARTH TO SHAKE as if it were to divide asunder.” <br />– 1 Nephi 17:45<br />Elder Chantdownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13491715981251308296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-10511632381683307952012-09-09T03:14:34.371-07:002012-09-09T03:14:34.371-07:00"If the gospel is the Good News, then its cou..."If the gospel is the Good News, then its counterpart (in truth) or counterfeit (viewed separately) would be the Bad News. When we are approached by someone bearing both we usually opt to hear the bad news first. There is an eternal principle in that......False prophets and false christs signal the coming of the true. The thing we need to realize about the Anti-Christ is not just that he fights against the Lamb but that he comes before and literally clears the way for Him......If we want to hear the ‘Good News’ so Badly that we reject the ‘Hard Sayings’ of Jesus, then we will remain in denial, saying, “All is well in Zion, Yea, Zion prospereth” when in reality, Zion is not to be found anywhere on the face of the earth. But, “the earth travails, like a woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; the Day of Deliverance. But when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world.” - John 16:21. Isaiah 62:1 – “Because I love Zion, I will not keep still. Because my heart yearns for Jerusalem, I cannot remain silent. I will not stop praying for her until her righteousness shines like the dawn, and her salvation blazes like a burning torch!” May this be our gathering freedom cry. Give us the bad news then. BRING IT ON!"<br /><br />http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2012/09/09/brigham-the-builder-the-butcher-pt-1/Elder Chantdownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13491715981251308296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-16956711882136715832012-08-27T19:04:02.612-07:002012-08-27T19:04:02.612-07:00This one is probably going to hit way out in left ...This one is probably going to hit way out in left field, but I was meeting with a group of my Isaiah loving friends and we were talking about this amazing World Trade Center, which is part of the development which includes City Creek Shopping Center.<br /><br />One of the women in the group recounted a dream she had the night before the christining event found its way to the internet. In the dream she saw a building and knew it was the Great and Spacious Building described in Nephi's dream (that's scary. Could we, the Mormons actually be the guilty party to build such an edifice?) <br /><br />She met a woman at a table next to her, all dressed in white, and was invited to follow her up a white stairway which she and her family were to follow. She was given information that the building would fall and they needed to leave. <br /><br />In the morning my friend saw this building on the net (which is City Creek). Everything looked just like it did in her dream. I had the same feeling about this place as I have with other things that just don't sit right. Another girlfriend had driven down State Street that same day and took pictures of tattoo parlors, pawn shops, and bars all the way up to 4th South. Shocking to think that high rises and expensive shops will do away with the riffraff in the downtown area. <br /><br />I distinctly remember hearing President Benson tell us that God takes the slums out of the people and they take themselves out of the slums. What happened to helping those who are living in spiritual slums? Have we stopped working with them? Are we to believe that now that we believe the living prophet is the most important prophet, that we disregard the old ones? Do we throw out the wisdom of a great and powerful man who invited us to the blessings of the Book of Mormon and join in the shopping frenzy? I, for one, and not going to City Creek, even for curiosity. I can spend my dollars on my grandchildren, or someone who needs it more than Godiva Chocolates, or Nordstrum or Macy's. Yvonnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07014929289033051037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-36232589443292273252012-08-23T07:51:19.832-07:002012-08-23T07:51:19.832-07:00Yeah, Wayn Gretzky is pretty awesome. Didn't k...Yeah, Wayn Gretzky is pretty awesome. Didn't k ow he went by the pseudonym Alan Rickman, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-51264741300380131132012-08-23T06:36:36.037-07:002012-08-23T06:36:36.037-07:00Yes, Inspire, I like that--
Yes, Inspire, I like that--<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-58368521876862059232012-08-21T07:28:47.245-07:002012-08-21T07:28:47.245-07:00James, I think the image on the bag is supposed to...James, I think the image on the bag is supposed to be Adam and Eve...Right?....Zo-ma-rahhttp://zomarah.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-60906450204197465952012-08-20T15:49:12.712-07:002012-08-20T15:49:12.712-07:00Thank you for your time and effort in putting toge...Thank you for your time and effort in putting together these posts...I enjoy your sense of humor as well. I have never commented on a blog; this may be my 1st and last. However, this issue has been bothering me for quite a while and I felt I could no longer hold back. <br /><br />What is most disturbing to me in all of this is the way in which this "investment" transforms us, as a people striving to be/become disciples of Christ, into hypocrites so completely (if it wasn't hard enough already)...from the lavish accoutrements of the mall itself to the types of Babylonian enterprises peddling their wares therein, from the unfathomable expense of the entire project to the complete disregard of those suffering from the economic realities of the present day, many due to no fault of their own. The maintenance of the shiny veneer of "all is well", despite underlying pain and unmet needs, has gone too far, I fear it will cost us dearly as a people. We are so far from Zion. I pray for Zion's return nearly every day, but only feel it slipping farther and farther from reach - this mall is not a part of Zion, it is a distraction, or worse. <br /><br />Satan rejoices when we are hypocrites, and loves to deceive us into being hypocritical..."see", says he, "you promised, even covenanted, that you would do this or that in following your supposed Savior Christ Jesus, but look, you did just the opposite, you turned your backs to the poor, you spent your sustenance on things of no worth (from an eternal view), many became exceedingly rich from this 'investment' and only a few benefited, you helped to build up MY (the god of this world or Satan's) kingdom, when you covenanted to build up the Kingdom of God at all costs...you did not keep your promises to the full". Our adversary loves to find ways in which to accuse us and to make us look like fools. Has he succeeded here? <br /><br />When the Israelites were on their way to the promised land, they experienced hardships, which tested them as a people. We similarly, have had ours and will continue to have many trials, both individually and as a people, has it ever been different when a dispensation has been established? Many Israelites remained true to their God, but many failed these tests and deeply lamented..."Would to God we had died by the hand of the Lord in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger" (Exodus 16:3).<br /><br />Have we given up the fight for what is right, thrown in the towel, "cried uncle", and returned to Egypt? To the flesh-pots? Note the horrible image on the shopping bag the woman is carrying who is looking at shoes right after the ribbon cutting ceremony in the youtube clip linked to in this post (only briefly, please, for your own sake). What have we embraced here? How have the themes, values, and beliefs that underlie so much of what this mall and all its associated variables represent come to be acceptable to the Lord or His people? We are commanded to overcome the world, not to embrace it nor build it up.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-31229185448554034882012-08-20T15:27:29.834-07:002012-08-20T15:27:29.834-07:00Don't forget the part where Joseph Smith reach...Don't forget the part where Joseph Smith reaches into the ground and pulls out those golden plates. Surely you haven't forgotten that part? He reached into the ground and pulled out golden plates. He showed them to 11 witnesses. None of the witnesses ever denied what they saw and hefted. Two of the witnesses even had the testimony of the golden plates placed on their tombstones. What, you haven't heard that part? You only heard the part about the "spiritual eyes"? Wow are you in for a treat. Check out the June and July section of my blog if you want to know the real scoop. (mormon-hatershow dt blogspot dt cm)<br /><br />Who else in history has ever produced scripture from a real concrete source?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-20690962355326120312012-08-20T15:13:30.923-07:002012-08-20T15:13:30.923-07:00Here's an interesting thought.... What if the ...Here's an interesting thought.... What if the Bible was "unreliable" at best like the Book of Mormon says it is? (Well, the B of M actually uses much stronger language than that). What if the Book of Revelation, which talks about Christ coming down in blood red apparel to wipe all the sinners off the earth and put his middle management into positions of even higher "authority" was just a tale made up by "the other guy" so that that guy could fill the shoes of that prophecy and rule with blood and horror on this earth, his minions already having done the ground work?<br /><br />What if the real Christ is the one spoken of in the Book of Mormon... long-suffering, merciful, loving of His children (not eager to destroy them). Ready and willing to accept any who repent (turn to Him) and accept that no "merits" are required on our part, just belief? What if instead of preparing for the end of the world, we prepared for the beginning of heaven? Would there be malls? Huge churches? Money set aside for a rainy day? If we believed Him, wouldn't we also believe that He would provide for us in all ways that were required?Inspirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915227658956979023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-61070734939279776332012-08-20T14:42:34.207-07:002012-08-20T14:42:34.207-07:00"...with *their* non-sacrifices.”"...with *their* non-sacrifices.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com