tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post8418518438457786153..comments2024-03-13T12:52:19.391-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: City Creek: How Did We Come To This?Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger244125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-49479799019691191672014-02-13T06:33:03.353-08:002014-02-13T06:33:03.353-08:00ST MARY FINACIAL LOAN FIRMEMAIL ADDRESS---stmaryfi...ST MARY FINACIAL LOAN FIRM<br>EMAIL ADDRESS---stmaryfinacialloanfirm@gmail.com<br><br> Welcome to ST MARY FINACIAL LOAN FIRM we are international Christian loan firm and Lenders that has offered Loans to various individual and firms in Europe, Asia, Africa and other parts of the world,Are you in need of a loan? Do you want to pay off your bills? Do you want to be financially stable? 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We offer all types of loan..<br><br>Are you in need of a loan?<br>Do you want to pay off your bills?<br>Do you want to be financially stable?<br>All you have to do is to contact us for more information on how to get<br>started and get the loan you desire.<br>This offer is open to all that will be able to repay back in due time.<br>Note-that repayment time frame is negotiable and at interest rate of<br>2%.<br><br>LOAN APPLICATION FORM { ONLINE FORM }<br><br>1)YOUR NAME...................<br>2)YOUR COUNTRY................<br>3)YOUR OCCUPATION.............<br>4)YOUR MARITAL STATUS.........<br>5)PHONE NUMBER................<br>6)MONTHLY INCOME..............<br>7)ADDRESS.....................<br>8)PURPOSE OF LOAN.............<br>9)LOAN REQUEST................<br>10)LOAN DURATION..................<br><br>STAY BLESS<br>REV.DANIEL IFADA<br>SIS.NICOLAS [ASST]<br>ST MARY FINACIAL LOAN FIRM<br>EMAIL ADDRESS---stmaryfinacialloanfirm@gmail.comRrv Daniel Ifadahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13311408091125138043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-11727712096594313302013-09-24T23:01:25.863-07:002013-09-24T23:01:25.863-07:00Hi thanks for sharing nice information,Apart from ...Hi thanks for sharing nice information,Apart from renting, you can even choose for leasing the <a href="www.live-inspace.com/" rel="nofollow"><b> plug and play office space for rent in Bangalore </b></a> where you can save a lot of money.jaanu khttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06092325432048539958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-23084992262228275842013-07-28T10:54:20.475-07:002013-07-28T10:54:20.475-07:00Anonymouse 9:11,It sounds like you 'inquired&#...Anonymouse 9:11,<br><br>It sounds like you 'inquired' with someone 'on earth' about City Creek and not God himself. Big difference.<br><br>I don't believe Christ cares a hoot about presentability with all the suffering of the widows & fatherless & poor who go ignored and neglected by the Church while it spends enormous amounts of sacred money on prideful ventures to 'look' good rather than caring more about 'being' good.<br><br>All this fluff to look good will do little to attract righteous people, for they see through it if we don't follow Christ's laws about the poor. <br><br>Where, if the Church really wants growth and a good reputation it should start really taking care of all it's widows and fatherless and poor, (and not just by a few handouts but completely support single mothers) til there are no poor among us. <br><br>Then people would really start to inquire about the Church and people would have faith in leaders who prove they are righteous by how they use the tithing funds and completely take care of the fatherless as is their greatest duty (not building malls).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-64049897245184164352013-07-28T09:11:30.728-07:002013-07-28T09:11:30.728-07:00Sorry to offend anyone's anti-corporate church...Sorry to offend anyone's anti-corporate church ego but I have inquired about City Creek- I know that it is In the Will of God for it. It important to finally have the hub of Mormonism presentable to the world- and all those who ridicule it for how much it costs- then sadly scarcity consciousness has gotten the best of you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-76081234357471521762013-07-21T20:01:35.332-07:002013-07-21T20:01:35.332-07:00Hi, what a great web blog. I usually spend hours o...Hi, what a great web blog. I usually spend hours on the net reading blogs on various subjects. And, I really would like to praise you for writing such a fabulous article. I honestly believe there is a skill to writing articles that only very few posses and yes you got it. This is really informative and I will for sure refer my friends the same. Thanks.<br><a href="http://www.powersportsindustries.com/" rel="nofollow">quad parts California</a>Stevan josiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07025178406430342355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-38319351396429621872013-06-17T14:31:27.716-07:002013-06-17T14:31:27.716-07:00City Creek disgusts me. Thankfully now that I am...City Creek disgusts me. Thankfully now that I am a follower of Christ and not "the prophet" I am free to have that opinion. <br><br>I am thoroughly enjoying your blog. Thank you!!Janenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-39666620584551371662013-05-07T10:25:37.378-07:002013-05-07T10:25:37.378-07:00$3 BILLION for a stinking luxury mall that caters ...$3 BILLION for a stinking luxury mall that caters to the rich along with plush condominiums that are more suited for Beverly Hills, CA than Salt Lake City. And City Creek accomplishes the 4-fold mission of the church how? What an abomination! Did church leaders not learn anything from the '99 tornado? IMHO, it was a warning for the extreme manner in which the church has become corporatized and obsessed with vain ambition, money, worldly praise, image and vanity, not to mention continuing to allow and practice corrupted principles such as the true law of tithing that is supposed to be 10% of your surplus and not salary/wage (which has resulted in the church becoming exceptionally wealthy) to the point that it is now building malls and fine sanctuaries! <br><br>And let us not forget that polygamy is not of the Lord and never has been, yet, the church continues to allow men to be sealed to multiple women in the temples. The 1999 tornado not only went unheeded, the church basically thumbed its nose at the Lord and upped the $350 million conference center one mall! Unbelievable. Worse, we give a whopping 1% of our annual income as a church to charity while most other religions give 30-40%. We aren't in the midst of apostasy as a church but the scriptures are quite clear that this would occur in the last days before Christ returned. All is not well in Zion... wo be unto her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-33934159945782690302013-05-01T09:47:13.331-07:002013-05-01T09:47:13.331-07:00I would make your check directly out a single moth...I would make your check directly out a single mother of the ward, then you know for sure it will get to the fatherless.<br><br>You can't trust any middle man these days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-12135518674564401162013-05-01T09:46:38.503-07:002013-05-01T09:46:38.503-07:00My understanding is that even fast offerings are d...My understanding is that even fast offerings are deposited into an account which is transferred to Salt Lake. We may be living in times when, if you want to help someone in your ward, you will have to contribute directly to that person.<br><br>A few years ago at Thanksgiving time when I still had young children and we were on the skids, the bishop brought by a couple of sacks of groceries that someone in the ward had given to him, asking him to select a family and give it directly to them. The bishop chose us, and though I wished like heck to know who our generous benefactor was so I could thank them, that method of giving strikes me as the most direct.<br><br>It isn't hard to know who in your ward has needs, and if you desired your money to go to them and wished to remain anonymous, I would suggest giving the cash directly to the bishop and directing whom he was to give it to. Otherwise, it all goes into the general fund, and as the disclaimer on the tithing slip notes, you have no guarantee that your alms will be received by the poor.Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-50943937111990797412013-04-30T23:31:07.914-07:002013-04-30T23:31:07.914-07:00Does this mean that I should make my fast offering...Does this mean that I should make my fast offering out to my Bishop directly, so that it is guaranteed (hopefully) to be used in the ward?Pinkrosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-65887639519246048462013-04-25T10:59:04.970-07:002013-04-25T10:59:04.970-07:00Rock... absolutely spot on and I don't think I...Rock... absolutely spot on and I don't think I could have said anything any better! It's good to know that there are still some critically-thinking and truly Christ-like, charitable LDS members out there who understand who we are as Latter-Day Saints, what we need to be doing to build the Lord's kingdom, what the truth is, what the scriptures say and that we aren't sheep expected to blindly obey and accept every decision that comes out of Salt Lake with respect to financial decisions. The brethren at church HQ are NOT to be worshipped as many Saints think and do, especially those living in Utah and the notion that the brethren are infallible and incapable of wrong-doing is such utter nonsense, especially given the abomination they just erected with billions of church funds which is nothing short of a monument to King Noah and I think we all know how the Lord felt about King Noah's using collected funds for fancy and luxurious construction projects. So much for the needy, sick, hungry, homeless, afflicted, down-trodden and destitute. <br><br>I was appalled when a church spokesperson said something to the effect of 'City Creek acts as a buffer between the Salt Lake Temple and street scum'. Are you kidding me??? Christ would have slapped that guy upside the head for saying something like that and I highly doubt the Lord or our Savior give a rats you know what about a stinking shopping mall and condos that cater to the rich, especially given how so many people are in need thoughout the world and struggling in today's corrupt, greedy society... I am so incensed by City Creek that it makes me ill and I cannot believe I watched President Monson stand at the ribbon cutting ceremony and chant "1-2-3, let's go shopping" - makes you want to throw up. Also (and I'm surprised no one has said anything about this yet), go back to 1999 and take a look at the path of the F2 tornado that struck downtown Salt Lake... talk about symbolic and a warning from the Lord! And what did the church do? Not only did they thumb their nose at him, they flipped him the bird by upping the anty with a damn mall! For those unaware of the SLC tornado in 1999, here's a link about it:<br><br>http://justandtrue.com/?p=18<br><br>Keep up the good work Rock and keep 'em coming... someone needs to stand up for what's right and against what's wrong with our now fully corporatized and Babylonian church! Man, when the Lord finally ushers in the cleansing process for the earth and it starts within his own house first, most members' jaws are going to drop when they see what the Lord does and what the truth really is and was regarding such things as early church history pertaining to the circumstances in Nauvoo with the Saints and polygamy, the corruption of the law of tithing after Joseph's death, the extreme corporatization of the church, etc., etc., etc.Aaronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-5237197003118946212013-04-13T20:46:09.104-07:002013-04-13T20:46:09.104-07:00I couldn't read all the above comments; this n...I couldn't read all the above comments; this nonsense gives me such a headache. Forgive me if this has already been said.<br><br>The church is NOT a government even if 'they' believe they are the govt. of the Kingdom of God on earth. They think they are the government of Utah and they are NOT. What is a church doing 'beautifying' the downtown core of the city (with church funds)where they happen to have HQ? (It was quite beautiful already). Why do they not beautify the townships of South Africa where poverty stricken people are told that they will be 'blessed' if they pay tithes? <br><br>The glitz and glamor of City Creek is an abomination when millions of church members that make up that claimed 14 million +, do not even have clean drinking water. Shame on you Babylon, you are as tinkling cymbals and there is no love in you. If you ever possessed any truth or integrity it is long gone.Jeanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11564546517972104958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-68802907598299501462013-04-08T19:18:38.895-07:002013-04-08T19:18:38.895-07:00Kilee,I don't know if you have read Rock's...Kilee,<br><br>I don't know if you have read Rock's previous article entitled "Are We Paying Too Much Tithing?" If not, you should read it. I have come to the same conclusions Rock did.<br><br>The answers I received were that the church has too much money, and the reason for this is that we (church members) are paying on our gross income and not our increase as indicated in the scriptures by the Lord. Rock explains what increase is in his article. If we were paying as the Lord intended then the church would not have money to spend on such projects as City Creek Mall, the Conference Center and and other business investments. I believe there would be enough money to cover the basic expenses of the church in helping it accomplish its mission.<br><br>I think paying more than the Lord intended causes many members to have financial problems, as well as family relationship problems. I have seen many members faithfully pay 10% of their gross income, even if it meant going into debt to pay for basic living expenses such as food, clothing, shelter and medical expenses. I know because I used to be one of them. <br><br>The bottom line is that the right amount of tithing we should be paying is between us and the Lord.Gary Huntnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-91155739956274562892013-04-05T14:11:52.791-07:002013-04-05T14:11:52.791-07:00What the answers have you found regarding tithing?...What the answers have you found regarding tithing? Gary? ~ K i l e e ~http://www.blogger.com/profile/02253548809250360499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-2902726426912441272013-04-05T13:43:57.252-07:002013-04-05T13:43:57.252-07:00I agree with Connie 100% - and definitely Rock'...I agree with Connie 100% - and definitely Rock's voice has become too powerful :)~ K i l e e ~http://www.blogger.com/profile/02253548809250360499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-86927719937642638282013-03-15T09:36:43.293-07:002013-03-15T09:36:43.293-07:00I just visited Salt Lake City for the first time i...I just visited Salt Lake City for the first time in 22 years. I was surprised at the mall and especially at the justification given. I live in Chicago and immediately compared the SLC downtown to Chicago's Grant Park. <br><br>Businesses would kill to build on Grant Park, but the city has chosen to invest millions to improve the park and create a clean wonderful environment that adds to the city.<br><br>I was also surprised at the ever so soft feeling that there is the faint beginnings of a division within the Church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-85244378966684847522013-02-22T09:52:14.374-08:002013-02-22T09:52:14.374-08:00Yeah that's right. I finally deleted comments ...Yeah that's right. I finally deleted comments from Weston Krogstadt. Inappropriate content.<br><br>Weston, you like to tout yourself as an iconic Latter-day Saint. Don't you think it's time you demonstrated some standards?Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-15421416766082719322013-02-22T09:30:51.353-08:002013-02-22T09:30:51.353-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administra...This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.weston krogstadthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06759228799187904000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-3306135529249033562013-02-22T09:29:22.120-08:002013-02-22T09:29:22.120-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administra...This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.weston krogstadthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06759228799187904000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-60115259386250555522013-02-21T16:30:11.869-08:002013-02-21T16:30:11.869-08:00What makes you think I'm gay? Shows how much y...What makes you think I'm gay? Shows how much you know. I took my username from one of my kids' mispronouncing the name Spongebob Squarepants. My wife and I (yes, I have a female WIFE) thought it was hilarious, and hence an avatar was born.<br><br>What's your excuse, Krogstadt?Gaybob Spongebathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-73743932056901122112013-02-21T12:18:21.713-08:002013-02-21T12:18:21.713-08:00Watch out what you swallow Gaybob, you might just ...Watch out what you swallow Gaybob, you might just get AIDS from all that time you're spending on your knees.weston krogstadthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06759228799187904000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-22166136427918975232013-02-13T22:32:02.284-08:002013-02-13T22:32:02.284-08:00LDSDPer, Since when is it self-righteous to teach ...LDSDPer, <br><br>Since when is it self-righteous to teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Even if hardly no one believes in it anymore? As long as we do it humbly? <br><br>I believe to 'not' try to warn others that Christ taught that divorce is adultery would be unloving & self-righteous, for we care more about how we look than other people's welfare.<br><br>Christ said it is not only 'our business' but 'our duty & a commandment' to warn our neighbors, once we have been warned about these things.<br><br>I'm glad to know that you think it's wrong. Thanks for being another voice for Christ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-35441826725431106742013-02-12T20:36:09.412-08:002013-02-12T20:36:09.412-08:00LDSDPer, I did not mean, "(and all of those o...LDSDPer, I did not mean, "(and all of those other things have the potential to try your humility)" - I meant, "(and all those other [compliments] that have the potential to try your humility)" - forgot a word there.<br><br>Toni aka L'JnTonihttp://ljnsvoice.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-57392717215836346442013-02-12T20:33:57.917-08:002013-02-12T20:33:57.917-08:00LOL - I have printed out a couple of your blog pos...LOL - I have printed out a couple of your blog posts (they were that good). They are definitely not short!Toninoreply@blogger.com