tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post8310449005575781173..comments2024-03-13T12:52:19.391-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: Not Quite The SameAlan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger134125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-10526461293817700292016-05-17T05:58:36.126-07:002016-05-17T05:58:36.126-07:00I am new at these blog readings. Rock by reading y...I am new at these blog readings. Rock by reading your blogs it has come clear to me that I was not just being "rebellious" as being accused of for years. <br />My problem is that after being an active "brainwasher " for 36 years and not talking much to others about my doubts - <br />I taught many classes and was forcefull about the fact .... follow the prophet.... blah blah.<br />I am embarrassed about my participation in brainwashing people, I am embarrassed for having had the attitude to others of ... If u not a temple recommend holder u need to work harder. <br />I got on these blogs after stopping going to church due to not being able to put my questions aside.<br />English is my second language<br />These blogs helped me realise I am not this wicked women who asks to many questions <br /><br />My problem now is .... I am stuck .... I don't even want to read scriptures anymore. I feel so much like drift wood. <br />Anybody out there that can help me through this fase?<br /><br />I am in a small third world country, small town, small ward that should be a branch cause attendance is down to less than 60. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15970313877374787575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-14530360130920495482016-01-03T10:30:18.799-08:002016-01-03T10:30:18.799-08:00Rock,
It's not the same. Not the same at all....Rock,<br /><br />It's not the same. Not the same at all. The verse has been wrested. The punctuation even cries for it's readers to understand.<br /><br />"What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself<b>;</b> and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same."(D&C 1:38)<br /><br />The Lord says that what He's spoken He has spoken. <br /><br />He then says it shall all be fulfilled--whether by his own voice or the voice of his servants it's the same. <br /><br />He did not say that what he or his servants have spoken it's the same. He states it very clearly that it will be himself or his servants who <b>fulfill</b> it not declare it. The punctuation even supports this.Ryan Nickelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13388511851012919356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-45070912083270686942015-12-28T10:34:58.859-08:002015-12-28T10:34:58.859-08:00Jared,
Many of us are in similar situations in the...Jared,<br />Many of us are in similar situations in the church. My own solution has been to try and follow the guidance of the Holy Ghost (as has already been suggested), teach only what you strongly feel to be both true and important, and leave out the portions of the lesson that you believe are flawed. If some eager beaver is compelled to try and "course correct" your lesson by bringing up the material you have purposely omitted, I suggest something like, "I really don't know about that, (perhaps insert a soft version of your doubts about the point), does anyone have a better understanding about this than I do?". In this scenario the party line will either be rehashed for the umpteenth time, or (God be praised), an actual interesting and important discussion may well break out in your class!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14165854208543577282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-63470533367210339162014-12-11T02:26:34.595-08:002014-12-11T02:26:34.595-08:00Oy!
You two stop your bickering or I'm turnin...Oy! <br />You two stop your bickering or I'm turning the car around.Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-69295050955233144792014-12-08T10:09:34.466-08:002014-12-08T10:09:34.466-08:00BK,
I'm trying to understand where we disagre...BK,<br /><br />I'm trying to understand where we disagree.<br /><br />You said we should only listen to Christ.<br /><br />If you are not Christ then we should not listen to you.<br /><br />Are you Christ?Jared Liveseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10309044282039536254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-73259801330914428622014-12-08T09:59:53.143-08:002014-12-08T09:59:53.143-08:00Log,
Thanks, but we just disagree on the matter....Log, <br /><br />Thanks, but we just disagree on the matter. <br /><br />I don't believe anyone would have a problem with anyone pointing others to Christ, if they truly believe in Him. BKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-31423468832849234252014-12-08T09:40:05.712-08:002014-12-08T09:40:05.712-08:00BK,
Are you Jesus?
Would God want us led astray?...BK,<br /><br />Are you Jesus?<br /><br />Would God want us led astray?<br /><br />If no to both, then the problem is the same whether you deflect responsibility for your speaking back onto God or take responsibility for your words upon yourself.<br /><br />Either you lead us astray because you are not Jesus, thus working against God's will by getting us to listen to you when you are not Jesus, or your stated purpose is a lie because you contradict it by speaking.<br /><br />Until you can resolve this contradiction, very few will accept your words, and rightfully so. There is no shame in doing something different when someone points out that what you're doing doesn't work, or if you notice it's not working.Jared Liveseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10309044282039536254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-7926012111165194322014-12-08T08:37:57.129-08:002014-12-08T08:37:57.129-08:00I believe God wants us to point each other to the ...I believe God wants us to point each other to the words of Christ. That would be the one thing to listen to others about. BKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-80425239321514639882014-12-08T08:26:16.483-08:002014-12-08T08:26:16.483-08:00Log,
True, no one should listen to me or anyone,...Log, <br /><br />True, no one should listen to me or anyone, except Jesus, That's what I'm saying. To just follow Jesus and what he said. I was just recaping what he taught. <br /><br />Nate, <br /><br />Jesus and His Apostles said to use Christ's commandments and teachings as the standard of truth, and they happen to be only found in the New Testament. BKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-66797369056502396672014-12-08T08:22:47.389-08:002014-12-08T08:22:47.389-08:00BK,
I'm going to assume you're not Jesus....BK,<br /><br />I'm going to assume you're not Jesus.<br /><br />(No, I'm actually not being sarcastic, because if angels are among us in the guise of the poor, asking for our signs and tokens, why cannot they be among us in the guise of the poorly-reasoned, doing likewise?)<br /><br />BK, if you're right that only Christ should be listened to, then if you are not Christ, you yourself should not be listened to, yet you keep talking. <br /><br />Either you want us to listen to you, in which case you are speaking against our interests because by listening to you we go astray inasmuch as you are not Christ, or you want us to ignore you, in which case your speaking is self-defeating.<br /><br />Which is it?Jared Liveseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10309044282039536254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-57050902180299776432014-12-08T08:06:27.561-08:002014-12-08T08:06:27.561-08:00BK
Please explain to me how Jesus and His apo...BK<br /><br /> Please explain to me how Jesus and His apostles could have possibly been teaching anyone that the New Testament was the standard of truth. THAT would have been miraculous indeed.Natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-48243093884189424212014-12-08T06:57:55.421-08:002014-12-08T06:57:55.421-08:00BK - Nobody should listen to you, by your own stat...BK - Nobody should listen to you, by your own stated standard of judgement, unless you are Jesus.<br /><br />Are you Jesus?Jared Liveseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10309044282039536254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-91926270962422171432014-12-07T22:47:47.797-08:002014-12-07T22:47:47.797-08:00Actually, Christ's & his ancient Apostles,...Actually, Christ's & his ancient Apostles, and even Joseph Smith and many other LDS Presidents through the years have said that neither a Prophet or 'the Spirit' or even 'an angel' or even a personage claiming to be Christ, is 'not' the final authority on truth, for such can often, if not usually, be wrong or from the Adversary or our own imaginations. <br /><br />They all taught that Christ's words in the New Testament were the ultimate authority and measuring stick to discern if anything said or done by a person, prophet or personage or the Spirit was true or not. <br /><br />They all said that if anything said or done was 'contrary' to the words of Christ then that is sure proof that it is wrong, even if and especially if, such was from an angel or the Spirit.<br /><br />While 'our reason' can be as risky to trust as 'our revelation', Christ still pointed to 'reason' as our greatest source to discern truth from error by telling us to compare all people & principles, from man or Spirit to what he taught. <br /><br />But the more we keep Christ's commandments, the more correct our reason will be. <br /><br />So even our own revelations & visions & visitations by angels or someone claiming to be Christ or God, must continually be tested & compared to the words of Christ to know if what they teach is true or not.<br /><br />I have known so many people who claim to have received revelation from God or even visitations from angels or Christ, yet they teach and believe and live opposite to Christ's teachings, which Christ said is impossible if people were his true disciples, receiving true revelation. So we can know for sure that they were just deceived. <br /><br />Christ's words have always been the Church's & Christ's ultimate measuring stick to discern all truth from error. <br /><br />The Holy Ghost can definitely teach us many truths, if we are righteous and in tune, but we must make sure nothing ever revealed to us is contrary to Christ, so we know we aren't being led astray by false Spirits, which I believe happens to everyone of us to one degree or another, even the humble followers of Christ. For deception happens because of lack of knowledge, and none of us know all things yet, so we easily fall for falsehoods from men or Spirits. Thus the need for Christ's words as our measuring stick. <br /><br />But the more knowledge of Christ's Gospel we can gain by living his words, the less we will be deceived by man or Spirit & the more we will awake to the deceptions we have fallen for but don't realize it. <br /><br />I used to believe the Book of Mormon was written by true prophets also and I thought that 'the Spirit' confirmed to me it was all true, until I started studying & following Christ's words and proving all things and comparing what the Book of Mormon teaches to what Christ taught, which I found many things to be completely 'contrary'. So it could not have been written by true prophets for Christ said they can't teach or act opposite to him and really be true prophets. <br /><br />Christ continually warned us about falling for false prophets and thus gave us an easy way to detect them. <br /><br />If we 'prove all things' before believing anything or anyone, I believe life will be a continual awakening, line upon line, from all the deceptions we have been taught from people, prophets & Spirits, throughout our lives, until we finally gain a clear understanding of the truth of Christ's teachings & how to gain Eternal Life, which is all in the New Testament, though the Spirit can teach us things that are like the frosting on the cake. BKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-31166773380916063952014-12-07T21:32:37.956-08:002014-12-07T21:32:37.956-08:00I agree. We can glean truth (new teachings that t...I agree. We can glean truth (new teachings that the Holy Ghost will confirm) from people all around us.<br /> And the craziness is very apparent when any human being will say to trust the spirit when it tells you that the Book of Mormon is true, but do not trust the spirit if it tells you something that does not fit the mold of a particular religion. <br /> As long as someone is not a hazard to other people's rights, how can we be anything but hypocrites if we do not encourage them in their individual search for God? Even if there ideas and revelations they claim from God are contradictory to what we have received. <br /> Us humans are nothing. We are unworthy and wretched creatures and which of us can say we know everything not only that we need to know, but everything someone else needs to know to return to God? <br /> All truth, goodness, and righteous power come from God, never from any man or group of men.Natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-46573482687412041982014-12-07T18:41:26.934-08:002014-12-07T18:41:26.934-08:00Yea, I forget to make clear that of the three thin...Yea, I forget to make clear that of the three things I mentioned above (clear reason, the scriptures, and the Holy Ghost), in the end the Holy Ghost takes precedence and is the final authority, for many of the reasons (oops, here comes reason again) that my friend expressed, and has been expressed here. <br /><br />This comes from my experience with trying out Moroni 10:4-5 over 30 years ago, and being told by the Holy Ghost that the Book of Mormon is true because the principles it teaches are correct principles. Of course, some of what the Book of Mormon says is pretty straightforward as in other scriptures, but some of it can really be understood in context only by thoughtful study and prayer, and instruction from the Holy Ghost. This leaves it up to each of us to learn to set aside our own pride long enough to let the Holy Ghost actually teach us truth and how to come unto God.<br /><br />As far as leaning on men, such as Apostles, prophets, bishops, inspirational speakers, self-help authors, etc. they can all offer valuable insight, but they cannot replace getting your own teaching and revelation directly from God through the Holy Ghost.MarkinPNWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-82778104210009087592014-12-07T15:47:46.478-08:002014-12-07T15:47:46.478-08:00What I think should have never ever been done is t...What I think should have never ever been done is to "canonize" anything. <br /> I would love to have all the religious texts laid out and just say, "learn what you can", but trust nothing unless the spirit teaches it to you. <br /> Then we could all learn and share and if people believe differently so what? Even moroni in the Book of Mormon repeatedly taught that the Book of Mormon didn't contain it all. It was not a closed canon. One writer in the Book of Mormon said that there were no errors he knew of. Leaving the possibility open that errors could exist. <br /> Doctrine and covenants is a conglomeration of revelations purportedly given to over a dozen different people. It has been changed and added to multiple times. <br /> The book of Abraham was not what joseph smith claimed it to be apparently. Not a literal translation, and the facsimiles are a joke and it appears when compared to others of the same nature that they were doctored. <br /> Like someone mentioned Paul was trying to clarify doctrine and other scriptures in many of his epistles. Shouldn't what the spirit speaks to us as individuals be the only "binding" thing there is? If someone tells me the spirit tells them something that opposes what I have received good on them. I trust God to lead sincere seekers to the Truth. If people try to teach things and admittedly have received no revelation on the subject then they have admitted they have trusted in their own brain which is the wrong thing to trust in. <br /> Whoever said to trust in "reason", or "scripture" that is dangerous as well. "The wisdom of God is foolishness to men" and much that is called "scripture" may not be so. Only the Spirit can tell us the Truth.Natenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-60948413999736061672014-12-07T13:06:35.443-08:002014-12-07T13:06:35.443-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jared Liveseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10309044282039536254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-35992730586227326932014-12-07T13:01:12.936-08:002014-12-07T13:01:12.936-08:00Joe,
I totally agree that millions claim they ha...Joe, <br /><br />I totally agree that millions claim they have 'the Spirit' & that God revealed opposite things to them. Thus God is either a God of confusion or everyone is deceived by false revelation & false visions while believing they are right and everyone else is wrong.<br /><br />But the LDS G.A.'s, past & present, (even church leaders throughout the scriptures), contradict each other just as much as everyone else. <br /><br />No one can trust LDS G.A.'s to always teach correctly or even to teach according to Christ. <br /><br />Just take 'Joseph Smith & Brigham Young', they taught completely opposite religions & doctrines, both claiming to be right & inspired of God. <br /><br />No one needs 'the Spirit' to understand Christ's Gospel. Most of Christ's words are written so plainly that even a child can understand them. Everyone understands the Golden Rule & Love & knows right from wrong deep down. <br /><br />Most children can teach the basics of the Gospel, often without any prior experience with it. "Out of the mouth of babes". <br /><br />It's adults that don't usually want to accept the plain & precious words of Christ & thus add to or take away from his few words to come up with an easier more acceptable Gospel that people will pay to be apart of.BKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-47040547019763725302014-12-07T12:27:52.611-08:002014-12-07T12:27:52.611-08:00Log said...
"Scripture is both binding and on... Log said...<br />"Scripture is both binding and only understood by the Spirit".<br /><br />Who said? Much of scripture is historical, and needs no interpretation whatsoever.<br /><br />"A justification for hashing out official interpretations of the scripture is purportedly for the benefit of those who lack the Spirit".<br /><br />There are literally millions of people that claim to have the "spirit"...which of them is right, and which is wrong?<br /><br />"The problem is this leads to an infinite loop, since if the interpretation or explanation can be understood without the Spirit, then it is not binding, and if the interpretation or explanation is scripture, then it can only be understood by the Spirit".<br /><br />"Thus the justification for issuing official interpretations of scripture is seen to be self-contradictory".<br /><br />Why? It is the duty of the general authorities of the church to clarify doctrine. Otherwise, you could have a million different people saying a million different things. Why do you think Paul wrote so many epistles?<br /><br />"Of course, another reason for issuing official interpretations is to enforce someone's beliefs on others. But nobody is typically forward enough to admit this purpose, for that too would negate its own authoritative basis, since the only way to do it is to claim it by priesthood, when priesthood cannot be used for compulsory means; therefore compulsory means, such as enforced assent to creeds, is necessarily not done by priesthood, and therefore it is not of God".<br /><br />No one in the church is trying to coerce anyone else. The GAs speak for the church. You are free to believe or disbelieve them.<br /><br />"If we ever see doctrinal councils in the Church, I believe that would be a negative sign".<br /><br />JoeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-24381885785558343452014-12-07T09:33:01.243-08:002014-12-07T09:33:01.243-08:00Dale,
In response to your post, Yes, I do believ...Dale, <br /><br />In response to your post, Yes, I do believe & have found that Christ's words in the New Testament are the only 'true' scripture we have and that all other books of scripture in the NT & OT are just the opinions & interpretations of mortal men who wrote some truth and some error. <br /><br />I don't believe the BoM, D&C or BoA are true scripture, nor that Joseph Smith was a true prophet, but even the books he wrote have much truth in them, along with many very misleading falsehoods. Just like most all religious books in the world in any religion. <br /><br />I agree that Christ quoted some former prophets, for I believe there have been true prophets on the earth and probably are today. <br /><br />But as 'MarkinPNW' just said, that doesn't mean that everything even true prophets say or write is correct. We see all through the Bible that even true prophets often fall to the natural man & fall for false revelation from the Adversary, thinking it's from God.<br /><br />The so called 'scriptures' from Prophets are filled with falsehoods that teach people to do things that are totally 'contrary' to Christ's commandments and the 10 commandments; like sacrifice your children, marry adulterous abusive men to save your people, commit adultery & abuse your wife by polygamy, racism, sexism, submission & abuse of women and the idea to base your beliefs on feelings & spiritual experiences rather then on 'reason, facts & outward fruit' as Christ taught, etc. etc.<br /><br />I agree that people can repent and become true prophets at any stage in life, I just don't believe there was such a person as Alma, but that Joseph made him up, but he does teach us a good lesson in that story. <br /><br />I agree that Christ put himself & us in a very small box and told us to only trust people or prophets to be true disciples of him 'IF' they keep 'all' of his commandments. I don't think a person would have to be perfect but pretty near. And I haven't met or heard of anyone who can fit Christ's bill of a true disciple yet. <br /><br />I can't even find anyone who seems to even 'believe' in all of Christ's commandments, let alone 'lives' them. <br /><br />Most everyone seem to prefer prophet's words over Christ's because they are much easier to live then what Christ said, for again, Christ painted a pretty small box for us and few there be that are willing to live that way. BKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-35408150717169126542014-12-07T00:29:54.861-08:002014-12-07T00:29:54.861-08:00Scripture is both binding and only understood by t...Scripture is both binding and only understood by the Spirit.<br /><br />A justification for hashing out official interpretations of the scripture is purportedly for the benefit of those who lack the Spirit.<br /><br />The problem is this leads to an infinite loop, since if the interpretation or explanation can be understood without the Spirit, then it is not binding, and if the interpretation or explanation is scripture, then it can only be understood by the Spirit.<br /><br />Thus the justification for issuing official interpretations of scripture is seen to be self-contradictory.<br /><br />Of course, another reason for issuing official interpretations is to enforce someone's beliefs on others. But nobody is typically forward enough to admit this purpose, for that too would negate its own authoritative basis, since the only way to do it is to claim it by priesthood, when priesthood cannot be used for compulsory means; therefore compulsory means, such as enforced assent to creeds, is necessarily not done by priesthood, and therefore it is not of God.<br /><br />If we ever see doctrinal councils in the Church, I believe that would be a negative sign.Jared Liveseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10309044282039536254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-72192392197322857452014-12-07T00:12:50.661-08:002014-12-07T00:12:50.661-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jared Liveseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10309044282039536254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-38968511767893604352014-12-06T22:44:02.600-08:002014-12-06T22:44:02.600-08:00I told a friend a few years ago that I have Three ...I told a friend a few years ago that I have Three sources for truth and knowledge: 1) Clear Reason, 2) the Scriptures, and 3) the Holy Ghost. His answer is that those three are not dependable (or at least our interpretation) ,so we need to rely on prophets, leaders, etc.<br /><br />Well, if I cannot be teachable enough to have my faulty reasoning corrected, likewise my faulty or out-of-contest interpretation of the scriptures corrected, or humble enough to be in tune with what the Holy Ghost is trying to teach me, including to correct my faulty reasoning or scriptural understanding, then relying on another man to make up for it will not, actually, do any good. In other words, if I cannot get in tune with what the Holy Ghost is trying to teach me and do what he says to do, I'm pretty much screwed no matter who else I may follow.<br /><br />Oh, wait, yes it will help. The Savior will indeed prepare me a mansion for relying on these apostles, prophets, and leaders, in the very glorious telestial kingdom (D&C76:98-101).<br /><br />As far as the subject of Rock's post here, in order for it to be the same (what a purported servant of God says being the same as what God himself says), it actually has to agree with and be consistent with what God has said.MarkinPNWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-23199210825420458832014-12-06T14:26:35.572-08:002014-12-06T14:26:35.572-08:00Patty,
Thanks for your supportive comments, and ye...Patty,<br />Thanks for your supportive comments, and yes we are planning on attending the retreat. I'm excited about a number of things that are going to be offered there.<br /><br />Don't get me wrong! Just because I don't agree with everything Denver has to say, yet I greatly appreciate all his hard work to get those truths out to us searchers. I've learned a lot and continue learning.<br /><br />In fact, I felt very strongly to sit down and write my feelings on a couple of things that have been on my mind, and low and behold things were revealed to me that I can't prove, but I know to be correct. I love the Lord. He is my friend, my teacher, and my provider.<br /><br />I've talked to people who tell me it's very difficult to completely rely upon God, and just really scarey to put their complete trust in Him. But I not only can't but wouldn't trust anything or anybody else enough to rely on. If this world has proven anything to me, it's that it is not reliable. God on the other hand has only my best interest at heart and wants to abundantly give whatever I need and a lot of what I desire. The world has proven to destroy, while God builds up and supports those who love Him.<br /><br />Boy, can I ramble or what. Anyway, thanks again for your supportive comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-18279411187506007382014-12-05T16:54:56.101-08:002014-12-05T16:54:56.101-08:00I'm glad you're sharing here, Calleen. You...I'm glad you're sharing here, Calleen. Your experiences and those of anyone else who is inclined to explore DS' suggestions are of great interest to those of us still in the system but looking for better answers. Are you considering attending the reunion in Colorado?<br /><br />I used to believe that Brigham was full of cool answers to many cosmic things. I'd still like to believe that but I've learned so much nonsense about the guy that I automatically take his pronouncements with a grain of salt followed by a bucket or two more, depending on the topic. I like this Brigham verse someone made up for the song, 'Follow the Prophet".<br /><br />I don’t claim to be a prophet, so said Brigham Young,<br />I’m just a Yankee guesser, on a lower rung.<br />Brigham fathered many, was a mogul fine.<br />He built a dandy mansion, serving beer and wine.<br />Follow the prophet, follow the prophet, follow the prophet, don't go astray.<br />Follow the prophet, follow the prophet, follow the prophet, he knows the way!<br />Pattynoreply@blogger.com