tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post7283124435928934545..comments2024-03-28T15:23:18.071-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: Conduct Unbecoming A Member Of The ChurchAlan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-27224228683480239102022-01-25T02:30:47.207-08:002022-01-25T02:30:47.207-08:00Thank you for sharing this video! I wish you to pr...Thank you for sharing this video! I wish you to promote your channel and advise you to <a href="https://soclikes.com/buy-youtube-subscribers" rel="nofollow">buy youtube subscribers</a> for itMike Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04400714416710074375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-10698817143078618662015-07-10T08:14:00.910-07:002015-07-10T08:14:00.910-07:00Thanks for your reading tips. About the Parallel D...Thanks for your reading tips. About the Parallel D&C: it seems that right now Benchmark has still one copy for sale(on Amazon), but Amazon and Abebook still have enough copies from other booksellers, for a higher price though. I found out that not all sellers on Amazon could ship to a destination outside the USA. Benchmark did not; that's funny, that never happened to me before. Anyway I received mine just today, and I found it very useful.R. Metzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15875261161185193692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-65439317038710861722015-06-06T19:45:42.216-07:002015-06-06T19:45:42.216-07:00Even if the world were against you, but you are do...Even if the world were against you, but you are doing the work of God, peace be with you. I love your blogs. Thankyou for daring to point out what others havent yet figured out... Everyone has there time for there eyes to be open. I put my fingers in my ears to people trying to alert me to truths for 30 years ... So dont worry what people say or think now. You are being the lone voice but others will be joining you and something big is going to hapoen. In a dream i had, a huge tree with out branches or root, fell squarely on my bishops house ... The truth is going to get out and its better to be proactively alerting people so they are woken up a bit before the whole things falls flat on top of them. And even if the church leadership is false, the xhurch itself had the priesthood and goodness from before, you cant stop goodness as long as there are good living. <br /><br />Jesus be with you. Keep it up. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08254368671677154252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-4940415475746637202015-06-06T19:43:04.477-07:002015-06-06T19:43:04.477-07:00Even if the world were against you, but you are do...Even if the world were against you, but you are doing the work of God, peace be with you. I love your blogs. Thankyou for daring to point out what others havent yet figured out... Everyone has there time for there eyes to be open. I put my fingers in my ears to people trying to alert me to truths for 30 years ... So dont worry what people say or think now. You are being the lone voice but others will be joining you and something big is going to hapoen. In a dream i had, a huge tree with out branches or root, fell squarely on my bishops house ... The truth is going to get out and its better to be proactively alerting people so they are woken up a bit before the whole things falls flat on top of them. And even if the church leadership is false, the xhurch itself had the priesthood and goodness from before, you cant stop goodness as long as there are good living. <br /><br />Jesus be with you. Keep it up. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08254368671677154252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-90994225664338240522015-06-06T19:31:33.929-07:002015-06-06T19:31:33.929-07:00For those thrilled by revelation from joseph junio...For those thrilled by revelation from joseph juniors days, try reading the history of the lds church written by the rlds church ... You will feel the thrill again of reading revelation that is filled with the spirit ... So refreshing and utterly lacking after 1844 but you will feel the spirit in the revelation for at least a few decads more by reading it ... A joy and a sadness too as that source dwindled too. But we arent alone, and we are in heart preparing for our saviour and he will have a people waiting for we are his sheep (individually) and scattered upon the earth in various places but when he calls, we will recognise his voice :) here is where i spoil it and say fingers crossed lol but serioualy, i have had many sacred experiences and i have the lds church to thank for bringing me the message of jesus and teaching me to believe in prayer. We are not alone. :) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08254368671677154252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-48957748321175797032015-06-06T19:20:35.522-07:002015-06-06T19:20:35.522-07:00I have more i know, but would just like to say tha...I have more i know, but would just like to say that before joseph smith estsblished the church, he was a methodist because he just wanted to be associated with a church... There it is. Having found out for myself that the lds church leadership went astray but the goodness of thr righteous people in it from josephs day has carried it til now, i know of no better church to be a part of. I would prefer for the church to admit the coverups in history but so much has been done im guessing its all too embarrassing. We are like people rowing upon the ocean in small boats, looking for the shore of truth and when we find it, we will all rejoice together but for now the lds church is our ocean. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08254368671677154252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-36297967515369226002015-06-06T18:31:29.000-07:002015-06-06T18:31:29.000-07:00Once i had that revelation i opened my eyes to fin...Once i had that revelation i opened my eyes to find the defence of this revelation and was bowled over by my findings. Even the fact i had neglected Emma and her children in my heart as i had been raised in the church to shun them as they had left the church. What i learnt as i studied was completely different from what i had been taught. Dumbfounded! <br /><br />Joseph Smith 3rd went to Utah and interviewed every woman associated with his father and spoke to every one who had a story to tell ... He just wanted to hear for himself. Not one person was able to pin anything on Joseph Smith. Whatever it was, it wasnt plurality of wives. <br /><br />I was shocked also to read the court case of the Temple Lot. Being devout, i have been waiting for the temple to be built that jesus has been renouned to return to.. I wondered about what waa happening about the land and how it was not in the hands of the church. <br />The court case ruled that Brigham Young had changed the teachings of the church so much, that it was basically a different church ... And no woman was able to prove she was a wife of joseph and entitled to it so the temple lot was deemed the rightful ownership of Joseph smith 3rdAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08254368671677154252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-35121478777074113852015-06-06T18:21:08.098-07:002015-06-06T18:21:08.098-07:00Seems my previous words vanished lol .. Well im an...Seems my previous words vanished lol .. Well im an lds member from England, have been a member 30 years. I have researched the same things as you, around the same time. <br />My thoughts are these:- when i was baptised, i did it to be forgiven of my sins and to be associated with a good bunch of people. I had testimony of joseph smith and the book of mormon. In 2004 i had revelation that at a future date i would have certain things made understood to me. In 2012 those answers came. <br />What is important to me is to treat others how we want to be treated, and to also follow the still small voice. <br /><br />The still small voice was telling me that Joseph Smith was telling the truth, and that Emma was his only wife.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08254368671677154252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-1841862795735608832015-06-06T18:12:46.084-07:002015-06-06T18:12:46.084-07:00I didnt finish my posting .. My gadget stopped wor...I didnt finish my posting .. My gadget stopped working. Anyway what i was about to say was i only discovered these things after actions at church were out of keeping with what i knew... And being a lover of the gospel i had devoured all histories, writings, articles, scriptures etc etc that i could just from pure love, and defended the church against haters ... But when this thing happened i had to ask God to show me and this is the thing, unless you ask the right questions and are ready for those answers, no answer comes because God knows when we are ready and we are ready when we ask the right questions. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08254368671677154252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-24911522597270622762015-06-03T22:31:46.987-07:002015-06-03T22:31:46.987-07:00Hi Rock,
Just recently, within the past 3 months...Hi Rock, <br /><br />Just recently, within the past 3 months, I came to the point where I was going to leave the church. I was sick of the cultural norms masquerading as truth. I felt my progression was at a stand still by following the crowd, doing what I was told, and blindly falling in line. Your blog opened up a new understanding for me. My eyes were opened to truths I had never heard of. I realized there was more out there than what I had been taught. This was very liberating for me. <br /><br />Thank YouUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07476465516939723163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-1314405190492865342015-06-03T22:03:23.627-07:002015-06-03T22:03:23.627-07:00I'm lds. Your blog is helping me make sense of...I'm lds. Your blog is helping me make sense of it all. I hope things went well tonight. Dustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18244849754266493906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-54256387392934132682015-06-03T21:59:51.767-07:002015-06-03T21:59:51.767-07:00Rock,
I just read your post and hopefully your me...Rock,<br /><br />I just read your post and hopefully your meeting is over by now. It reminds me of a similar meeting I had with an RLDS Stake President about 35 years ago. What you have been through and possibly will go through is not easy and my prayers are with both you and Connie.<br /><br />I consider you a good friend and have appreciated your support since I began blogging. I have no doubt in your belief in the Lord and His Restored Gospel. From reading the comments, you have been a great support to many. I am sure that both they and the Lord will be there for you and Connie as you so need.<br /><br />God bless.JSDefenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11841376815958094645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-2193280673862944222015-06-03T18:33:33.838-07:002015-06-03T18:33:33.838-07:00Rock,
I've never commented here before, but ...Rock, <br /><br />I've never commented here before, but I wanted to voice my support and thank you for sharing your thoughts, feelings and experiences with all of us. My thoughts and prayers are with you and wish you and Connie nothing but the best. Good luck!Jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01717323318214219981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-71766305748298577422015-06-03T16:31:59.841-07:002015-06-03T16:31:59.841-07:00Rock, I agree with Connie of the importance to pre...Rock, I agree with Connie of the importance to preemptively state against the hacking filth. Because I believe there are evil and conspiring men who would use it against you. Rock, will Connie be at the court with you? I think they should have to look you both in the eyes before, what they believe to be taking away your eternal marriage and eternal exaltation. Also, Connie exudes goodness :-) It should make them think. Even though I see the writing on the wall, it's so painful to go through and I also feel much pain for their souls. I will continue to pray for your peace and safety and that you will speak with the power of God. And that maybe you will have an Alma :-)<br />Love, TammyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-52081118801522081952015-06-03T12:50:25.836-07:002015-06-03T12:50:25.836-07:00I just found your blog! I've been reading it f...I just found your blog! I've been reading it for 24 hours straight. It's been such a help to me. I want so desperately to have faith in the gospel and your writings have helped me build my framework of how to stay faithful with such severe and unsettling realities. My husband and I, in our mid-30s, say almost weekly that the church our daughter will be raised in will be so different than the one we were. I welcome that whole heartedly and thank you for being on the forefront of that change. I'm incensed that you would be disciplined for your viewpoints. Incensed and afraid...because if you're getting taken down, there are a lot more of us in trouble.J-Leavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02958847633466997425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-16896978467008875522015-06-03T07:04:42.170-07:002015-06-03T07:04:42.170-07:00Thank you EVERYONE for the kind words of support.
...Thank you EVERYONE for the kind words of support.<br /><br />Roy Moore, I was surprised I don't have contact information on you. Please email me.<br /><br />Miquel, unfortunately I deleted the evidence, so I don't have anything to take to the police. I'll know better next time, but my immediate reaction was to get rid of the stuff. (My real concern is that by clicking on it, I may have inadvertently downloaded some of it to my hard drive where it sits waiting like a time bomb to be rediscovered.<br /><br />That is, of course, the reason I took this preemptive action.<br /><br />Again everyone, thanks for your thoughts prayers, and divine energy. Please continue to pray for me beginning 7:30 PM pacific time. I know that together we can convey truth.<br /><br />(Check this blog tomorrow for a report on the outcome.)Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-84067792782506820282015-06-03T05:46:01.352-07:002015-06-03T05:46:01.352-07:00Rock, you should tell the police about the filthy ...Rock, you should tell the police about the filthy stuff sent with your email address, if you haven't already, as it's downright illegal.Steak Presedenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11145688976336741401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-28718979306316715862015-06-02T21:27:53.045-07:002015-06-02T21:27:53.045-07:00Rock, Good luck with Wednesday evening. I don'...Rock, Good luck with Wednesday evening. I don't think what they're trying to do is right. I wish you well!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-30860425582432748282015-06-02T18:02:56.053-07:002015-06-02T18:02:56.053-07:00Rock,
I've prayed that the truth hits the he...Rock, <br /><br />I've prayed that the truth hits the hearts of those in your meeting. <br /><br />Be prepared for IMO the pre-decided outcome. You are out, this will not be a fair exchange. Sorry for the tough love but the top-down management (again IMO) view you as subversive. I see similar things in the business world. Even if you are 100% honest and accurate the leaders wil not tolerate being shown to be the emperor with out clothes.<br /><br />Remember, bioth before and after the meeting you will still have your relationship with God the father, Jesus and the Holy Ghost. <br /><br />Be true to the truth! It will be HARD!!<br /><br />Please let us know how things develop. I don't think your accounts that were hacked are in play. It's this blog (which I appreciate).<br /><br />And... I'll add you have been very true to your concept of "pure Mormonism". Everything changed once Brigham morphed into the prophet. <br /><br />Take care!<br /><br />Mark<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15987534668667652384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-88370779078187203192015-06-02T15:31:52.428-07:002015-06-02T15:31:52.428-07:00Dear Rock,
My prayers are with you, my brother, t...Dear Rock,<br /><br />My prayers are with you, my brother, the time has come and the alter is ready for your offering. Be of good cheer and know that many faithful have gone before you, including two brothers.<br /><br />2 Nephi 9:44<br />44 O, my beloved brethren, remember my words. Behold, I take off my garments, and I shake them before you; I pray the God of my salvation that he view me with his all-searching eye; wherefore, ye shall know at the last day, when all men shall be judged of their works, that the God of Israel did witness that I shook your iniquities from my soul, and that I stand with brightness before him, and am rid of your blood.<br /><br />Your brother in Christ.<br /><br />Roy MooreRoy Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11348272727345743720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-7917219591888325182015-06-02T14:18:57.664-07:002015-06-02T14:18:57.664-07:00Well this is good news. Finally the Church will ha...Well this is good news. Finally the Church will have to make itself clear on where it stands; you have done that already. I know the outcome. Of course you will be put out at the end, because this is the way things are settled in the gentile world, of which the Church has become a part of, since it has been taken over by businessmen, bankers and lawyers. They don't like orthodox Mormons who are outspoken, these are considered disturbers and annoyers that have to be taken care of. I am sorry for the people on that court, although it just a hearing (what it is supposed to be, because no charges were made, as I understand), and I would'nt be them for the world; it is a terrible thing to fall in the hands of the living God.<br />I have read many of your blogs and they are wonderful, enlightening, honest, warm. You love the truth and so do I, and there we meet. We will hear from you.<br />Thanks for the reading tips. Best regards, Rik Metz, the Netherlands.R. Metzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15875261161185193692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-50260909060091122162015-06-02T13:57:39.395-07:002015-06-02T13:57:39.395-07:00Dear Rock,
These are my words of support. I have ...Dear Rock,<br /><br />These are my words of support. I have been a bishop, missionary high council man and avid reader of church related materials. When I started to learn about some of the troublesome issues of church history, I fell in a depression since the church and everything about it meant the world to me. I was contemplating to quit in my head to get away from all the confusion.<br /><br />Your writings have helped me to remember that I have felt a witness of the spirit while studying the Book of Mormon. (I remember your own testimony of this from your John Dehlin interview) and that Incan separate the problems I see in the structural church from the spiritual church being faith, repentance and a Christ's teachings. <br /><br />The scriptures you shared along with your thoughts have provided me with enough of a foundation again to rebuild my own house of faith. Your testimony has helped me to get away from the constant feeling of negativity that comes from learning about the issues for the first time and allowed me to focus again on serving, on loving my fellow ward members and knowing that Christ is still there. <br /><br />I pray that you will continue to keep a positive attitude and don't let these proceedings make you become bitter. I also pray that your stake president will follow his own heart with compassion and has the integrity to withstand any pressure from authorities above when it comes to protect one of his own flock. <br /><br />Sincerely <br />Doubting Bishop (I may have to get a new screen name)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03450434163278343487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-3100956789339537072015-06-02T13:06:22.617-07:002015-06-02T13:06:22.617-07:00There are so many ways to slice and dice this stuf...There are so many ways to slice and dice this stuff - "the devil's in the details" is an accurate statement, because that's exactly where he lives and does his best work.<br /><br />Simple fact: all that matters in this world is a personal testimony that God loves you and you are doing his will. Nothing else matters, because God can turn anything to good purposes - we just can't necessarily see it. Which is why, again, our personal testimony should be our only goal.<br /><br />"...he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another."<br /><br />As long as we feel certain of the testimony of his love, we need not contend anything man does, even if it's acting as though they are God.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08614525075962579744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-82444716376467508282015-06-02T11:52:48.861-07:002015-06-02T11:52:48.861-07:00"Lying by omission" is an odd charge to ..."Lying by omission" is an odd charge to attempt to bring, in conjunction with the question "is that what Jesus would do?"<br /><br /><i> 22 And it came to pass when I was come near to enter into Egypt, the Lord said unto me: Behold, Sarai, thy wife, is a very fair woman to look upon;<br /><br /> 23 Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see her, they will say—She is his wife; and they will kill you, but they will save her alive; therefore see that ye do on this wise:<br /><br /> 24 Let her say unto the Egyptians, she is thy sister, and thy soul shall live.</i><br /><br />Or, if that doesn't satisfy, how about this?<br /><br /><i> 24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.<br /><br /> 25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me.</i><br /><br />There appears to be precedent for omitting things, even by Jesus - both pre- and post- mortal. I'm going to suggest the concept of "lying by omission" is not a true principle, and is therefore not of God.Jared Liveseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10309044282039536254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-54585477436295859512015-06-02T11:13:10.448-07:002015-06-02T11:13:10.448-07:00If so many people get exe'd for disloyalty to ...If so many people get exe'd for disloyalty to the corporation, who will be left to be indoctrinated?<br /><br />The irony, is that it's things like Rock's blog and Denver's PtHG that have kept so many in the corporation and available to give all the support that they will to said corporation.PNW_DPerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16203324465643216620noreply@blogger.com