tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post6884974679983376865..comments2024-03-13T12:52:19.391-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: My Other BlogAlan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger73125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-87832774971765113582015-10-29T14:35:20.967-07:002015-10-29T14:35:20.967-07:00I do like this blog. I started to read some posts ...I do like this blog. I started to read some posts about a year ago and became interested. It is informative, independent, courageous, humorous and intelligent. Well, just stay the humble guy you seem to be. Your flamboyant style of writing gets me distracted now and then, and some words I just have to look up in the dictionary, but that's ok.<br />Lately I decided to read them all from the first to the last, one post everyday, including the comments. This takes time but is really instructive.<br />So far I liked most the "metaphysics of mormonism", your exposing the mormon leadership as false prophets concerning going to war (and there is more to come, I understand), and the one I just finshed "one nation under Babylon". Thank God I am not an American.R. Metzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15875261161185193692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-84147170434068390682011-09-15T12:07:53.191-07:002011-09-15T12:07:53.191-07:00@Steven Lester
I don't know about the ballroom...@Steven Lester<br />I don't know about the ballroom size exhibit. I'm not in Elder Packer's head, so I can't judge one way or the other. The "worst crime" I've seen in Elder Packer is that he speaks plainly against immorality and perversion, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. I have also noticed that a great many people react to his warnings with the same type of anger and bloodlust that wicked people have reacted with since the scriptures began. This is why I'm curious as to what Rock has to say about Elder P.<br /><br />I have read about people being embarrassed and/or humiliated by Elder McConkie. I have also read that he had a temper, and thought he should be heeded without question. He has never harmed me (but I've never been in a meeting where he was personally in attendance), so I have nothing against him.<br /><br />Those who have been hurt by him in some way have the wonderful opportunity of following the Savior's example of forgiving. According to the scriptures, if they don't forgive him the greater sin lies within them.<br /><br />I'm not saying forgiving is easy, but it IS possible, and if they forgive Elder M. they will find peace, they will be closer to the Spirit, and will be able to partake more freely of the gifts of the Spirit.<br /><br />I see so much hate, so much anger, so much of holding grievances in some of the blogs I frequent. It's as if Satan is having a field day, sharing his hate and anger with us.<br /><br />Jesus forgave an awful lot. Do we really think we are better than him? Someone humiliated you in public? Jesus was naked, on a cross, on a road where people were bound to see him. That's an awful lot of humiliation, especially if he was raised that wearing no clothing was humiliatingly embarrassing.<br /><br />Were you unjustly accused in public? So was he. In fact he was beat until bloody, then killed, right along with it.<br /><br />Not only that, but he felt every pain of every perpetrator when they realized how evil they had been, as well as the pain of every victim. He knows how you (speaking to anyone who reads this) feel, because he literally felt it, too. He overcame it, and is reaching out to you so that he can help you overcome it, as well. He knows, full well, that it is much harder for the victim to overcome because the victim has a just cause. Justice demands vengeance. Christ asks us to require mercy, instead.Tonihttp://ljnsvoice.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-9935884800097296392011-09-09T19:26:54.950-07:002011-09-09T19:26:54.950-07:00Some have speculated that the Holy Ghost is actual...Some have speculated that the Holy Ghost is actually our Mother in Heaven, which makes some sense, since to me "the comforter" implies -and actually feels, to me at least- like a feminine presence. <br /><br />Who knows? I've come to believe that whatever "Spirit" is, it resembles that all encompassing and permeating ether that fills us all and the universe. What it's actually made up of is anybody's guess, but my view of "spirit," as much as I've nailed it down, is laid out in my piece on The Metaphysics of Mormonism:<br /><br />http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2011/03/metaphysics-of-mormonism.html<br /><br />This is not to say that Will Eisner's creation is not still in the running.Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-42284429098018961702011-09-09T14:26:11.117-07:002011-09-09T14:26:11.117-07:00I actually guffawed when I saw the cartoon of the ...I actually guffawed when I saw the cartoon of the 'Spirit'! Certainly something to think about during those long, long meetings. A game we used to play in the mtc, that helped with the monotony, was to insert words or phrases into the hymn book. One of our favorites was 'in the toilet'. Thus 'Did you think to pray in the toilet?', 'My Redeemer lives in the toilet' and of course 'Gently raise the sacred strain in the toilet'. Pretty lame, but it kept us laughing at least. By the way, your articles about reinventing Sundays are pretty spot on.<br /><br />Homer, is the Spirit female? I haven't heard that (well, except from some missionaries who told me the second coming had already happened in South Korea) In the new testament, the word for Spirit (in Greek) is neuter (as are children in Greek). That probably just confuses things more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-66561848147580068572011-09-08T12:44:54.035-07:002011-09-08T12:44:54.035-07:00Head of Shiz,
I think you just came up with the ma...Head of Shiz,<br />I think you just came up with the marketing plan.Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-41762940466488625542011-09-08T11:11:37.793-07:002011-09-08T11:11:37.793-07:00Anonymous @ 6:42:
The Spirit is a She, not a He. ...Anonymous @ 6:42:<br /><br />The Spirit is a <i>She</i>, not a He. Therefore, as a female entity, one wonders whether she even needs sleep... though certainly, if she does, it's not for beauty.Homernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-45145147453834240012011-09-08T00:43:11.688-07:002011-09-08T00:43:11.688-07:00I've been lurking forever but if it helps moti...I've been lurking forever but if it helps motivate you I'm a serious fan and look forward to every post. I'll buy your book, or a box full and leave them in the foyer of my ward building...Head of Shiznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-13607388672959547032011-09-07T20:34:25.634-07:002011-09-07T20:34:25.634-07:00Anonymous,
Everyone knows The Spirit is up all nig...Anonymous,<br />Everyone knows The Spirit is up all night:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_(comics)Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-75239810332801936552011-09-07T18:42:25.563-07:002011-09-07T18:42:25.563-07:00Glad you're back! Here's a question; If th...Glad you're back! Here's a question; If the Spirit goes to bed at 10pm what time does He get up? Also, if He does sleep, which time zone would it be best to live in to have maximum coverage? :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-58006295445468727472011-09-07T07:12:24.957-07:002011-09-07T07:12:24.957-07:00You can count me as one of your fans, keep writing...You can count me as one of your fans, keep writing....AdrianAdonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15101468485793659792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-16695581073051120882011-09-07T00:31:34.704-07:002011-09-07T00:31:34.704-07:00Lol, Rock. I'll tell what is really depressin...Lol, Rock. I'll tell what is really depressing. The book has 111 chapters to it. Only about 25 have been worked on. (The rest is raw material.) I'd rather read it than write it.LDS Anarchisthttp://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-87936504985352309562011-09-06T20:32:38.106-07:002011-09-06T20:32:38.106-07:00That link:
http://www.efoodsdirect.com/That link:<br /><br />http://www.efoodsdirect.com/Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-45404494817618316392011-09-06T20:31:56.968-07:002011-09-06T20:31:56.968-07:00UPDATE September 5th, 2011:
For the time being, ...UPDATE September 5th, 2011: <br /><br />For the time being, if you order anything from eFoods Direct you can get free shipping. This is a big deal, because food shipments can be heavy and depending on the order, shipping costs can really take a bite. <br /><br />I'd take advantage of this offer while you can. It's for a limited time; I don't know for how long.Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-38112238292047105432011-09-06T20:31:11.340-07:002011-09-06T20:31:11.340-07:00Anarchist,
That's a depressingly long reading ...Anarchist,<br />That's a depressingly long reading list, but I know I'm going to have to do my homework before I write knowledgeably on the subject. Thanks (I think) for the info.Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-83304986694638862392011-09-06T07:23:38.215-07:002011-09-06T07:23:38.215-07:00Rock- I love your blog and eagerly await each entr...Rock- I love your blog and eagerly await each entry. Keep it up, the coming attractions look very interesting.Mike Ynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-82907586801636693582011-09-06T02:48:18.177-07:002011-09-06T02:48:18.177-07:00When you write that book, be sure to present a fre...When you write that book, be sure to present a free copy to your Bishop. He might become your first convert. Well, maybe you shouldn't, after all. Who knows what trouble you might get into.Steven Lesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01285355643172321289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-55279160951269553552011-09-05T18:17:15.904-07:002011-09-05T18:17:15.904-07:00"Did you ever do a point by point refutation?..."Did you ever do a point by point refutation?"<br /><br />Nope. If you want to see some of the GEMTAM collaborators' work on D&C 132 and plural marriage in general, read the following "completed" chapters of the GEMTAM:<br /><br />Plural Marriage in Heaven;<br />Plural Marriage in the Scriptures;<br />Adult, Consensual Polyandry Is Never Condemned in the Scriptures;<br />Plural Marriage in the Church: Current Sealing Policy;<br />The Purpose of Plural Marriage: Establishing the Tribes of Israel;<br />New Science: Human Sexuality Is Based Upon a Multmale-Multifemal Mating System;<br />Plural Marriage Is Not Adultery;<br />Consensual, Extra-Marital Courting Does Not Commit Adultery in the Heart;<br />Dealing with Adultery and Fornication Among Tribal Members and Prospects;<br />Plural Marriage Does Not Violate the Temple's Law of Chastity;<br />Abrahamic Concubinage as an Inter-Tribal Function;<br />Multhusband-Multwife Marriage and the Law of Sarah;<br />Multihusband-Multiwife Marriage and the Sealing Power;<br />and Pornography, Cheating, and Serial Monogamy Compared to a Multispouse Tribe.<br /><br />Those are some of the "done" chapters, but that doesn't mean these chapters will not undergo further modification. Here is the url of the first one, to get you started:<br /><br />http://www.fastpencil.com/blocks/313285-vers-5-plural-marriage-in-heaven<br /><br />One of the recent things I came across as an internal evidence that D&C 132 is the REAL DEAL is the strange case of its definition of what "adultery" is. The biblical definition, given by all the Hebrew scholars and parroted by all the Christians, is that adultery means, essentially, "woman that breaks wedlock." D&C 132, though, gives no such definition. Its definition of adultery is, essentially, "the breaking of a (marriage) vow." And it is very specific on this point.<br /><br />Now, the reason why that is so fascinating is because only recently, with The Chronicle Project (thechronicleproject.org), do we get a rendition of adultery different from the Hebrew scholars and Christians, namely, that adultery is the "breaking of authority vows."<br /><br />Assuming that The Chronical Project has "cracked" the Hebrew code so that we can finally get a accurate rendition of it, then that means that D&C 132 is a RESTORATION of the original meaning of adultery.<br /><br />Which brings up a problem if you subscribe to the forgery theory. What are the odds that a forgery will actually restore (4000 year old) lost knowledge? It also brings up a problem if we subscribe the document to Brigham Young. Was Brigham a restorer? We must answer, "No, he wasn't." But Joseph definitely was, for that was his specific calling. So, just taking the definition of adultery which the revelation gives, without considering any other aspect of the revelation, the evidence points to Joseph Smith receiving it from God as a restoration of ancient knowledge, which it purports to be. In other words, it is easier (for me) to believe that Joseph (not Brigham) got this information directly from God than it is that some forgerer had dumb luck and got the original definition of adultery.LDS Anarchisthttp://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-31964059137870764562011-09-05T17:09:46.804-07:002011-09-05T17:09:46.804-07:00Thanks for those links, Toni. Certainly food for t...Thanks for those links, Toni. Certainly food for thought. I wonder who would buy something they could just log onto and read for free, though.<br /><br />Connie is selling me on the idea of putting something together will all new info, though. Chewing on it.Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-3928103582746209092011-09-05T16:35:15.615-07:002011-09-05T16:35:15.615-07:00(PS, I'm LJn, but my post was a response to my...(PS, I'm LJn, but my post was a response to my comment that didn't post.)Tonihttp://ljnsvoice.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-29851496523995154432011-09-05T16:33:43.348-07:002011-09-05T16:33:43.348-07:00Well, if you're serious about making a book ou...Well, if you're serious about making a book out of your blog, here are a couple of sites (the first two are the same site).<br /><br />http://www.blurb.com/landing_pages/blogbook?ce=google_blog_blogtobook&gclid=CNunjKCgh6sCFYfs7Qodgkq7QA<br /><br />http://www.blurb.com/create/book/blogbook<br /><br />http://blog2print.sharedbook.com/blogworld/printmyblog/index.html<br /><br />Ugh! My post didn't post the first time!Tonihttp://ljnsvoice.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-46476908834975174672011-09-05T11:55:22.257-07:002011-09-05T11:55:22.257-07:00Rock, I'm glad to hear you are continuing. I&...Rock, I'm glad to hear you are continuing. I'm especially curious as to your take on tithing, as this is the first year I will not make a donation to the corporation to build malls and print Relief Society books. They have squandered their stewardship, imo. I will, however, answer yes to the question of if I am a full tithe payer.Inspirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07915227658956979023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-16020193673824822732011-09-05T09:21:25.979-07:002011-09-05T09:21:25.979-07:00Spektator,
Thanks for the offer. I have the set; ...Spektator,<br />Thanks for the offer. I have the set; just need to finish watching them. But first I'm looking for where I misplaced The non-LDS "North American Evidences for Ancient Civilizations" which I moved when I upgraded my computer and was halfway through. That's my holdup on that.<br /><br />Interesting info on the stones. Is anything like that pictured in the DVDs? I know there's also a book. Would like to see what these things look like.Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-79872037646306586172011-09-05T06:34:33.381-07:002011-09-05T06:34:33.381-07:00Rock,
I hope you can keep the literary fires burni...Rock,<br />I hope you can keep the literary fires burning. Great stuff. Wish the best for Connie. <br /><br />On the topic of the Book of Mormon Great Lakes model, I would be happy to loan you a copy of my DVD set from Rod Meldrum if you haven't seen it yet. I think there is a lot of good information that he has gathered. <br /><br />I have a friend who has a multi-generational family farm in southern Michigan (between the east sea and the west sea). They have for years been hauling out of their fields, stones that appear as though there were prepared as a war instrument. The stone is typically larger than a man's fist with carved out areas on both sides to accommodate being tied to some sort of handle. It doesn't appear to have any other use but a war instrument. Why else would they find literally hundreds of these stones across their acreage? Could it have been the battle site for a large conflict? Perhaps.Spektatorhttp://www.justandtrue.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-17044719836912412552011-09-05T01:26:20.100-07:002011-09-05T01:26:20.100-07:00Anarchist,
I have not yet finished Watcher's ...Anarchist, <br />I have not yet finished Watcher's main analysis of 132, primarily because I keep chasing his links and going deeper, but what I've seen so far looked pretty solid to me.<br /><br />Did you ever do a point by point refutation? If so, I'd like to see it. The Watcher has so far validated my suspicions that Section 132 is very likely a forgery, and if anything, Joseph Smith produced only a part of it. I'm more inclined than ever to the view that the whole thing may have been a fraud concocted after his death.<br /><br />I'm still open to contrary views, of course, and I'm willing to be convinced otherwise. And of course, I haven't yet gotten to your comment on that post, which may offer further clarification. <br /><br />The plot thickens.Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-19179868385442652222011-09-05T01:19:28.256-07:002011-09-05T01:19:28.256-07:00It stands for The Gospel-based, Egalitarian, Multi...It stands for The Gospel-based, Egalitarian, Multihusband-Multiwife, Tribal Anarchy Model, as explained here:<br /><br />http://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/gemtam-book-collaboration/Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.com