tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post5390562155935286768..comments2024-03-13T12:52:19.391-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: The Metaphysics of MormonismAlan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger152125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-13115464747280493942017-08-28T08:09:43.215-07:002017-08-28T08:09:43.215-07:00Lovely-Flower, (Continued)
You back up your suppo...Lovely-Flower, (Continued)<br /><br />You back up your support of Russell Nelson's heretical teaching by referring to Nelson's expanded opinions, which contradict scripture rather than expound upon them. He would have done better to cite a scriptural source for his view that God does not love his children unconditinally, and you would have done better not to place his views above the word of God. I'll repeat a statement I often quote by President Lee:<br /><br />"I say we need to teach our people to find their answers in the scriptures. If only each of us would be wise enough to say that we aren't able to answer any question unless we can find a doctrinal answer in the scriptures! And if we hear someone teaching something that is contrary to what is in the scriptures, each of us may know whether the things spoken are false -it is as simple as that. But the unfortunate thing is that so many of us are not reading the scriptures. We do not know what is in them, and therefore we speculate about the things that we ought to have found in the scriptures themselves. I think therein is one of our biggest dangers of today." <br /><br />"The Lord has given us in the standard works the means by which we should measure truth and untruth. May we all heed His word: 'Thou shalt take the things which thou hast received, which have been given unto thee in my scriptures for a law, to be my law to govern my church.' " D&C 42:59 (First Presidency Message, Ensign, December 1972.) <br /><br />Finally, you disparage a program I indicated I had personally benefited from by writing, "PLEASE, to anyone reading, DO NOT JOIN IT! It is legitimately a cult and will try everything it can to take your money and your time away from your family, religion, and the rest of your life."<br /><br />Lovely-Flower, "Impact Trainings" is not some kind of cult or anything else a person can "join." The trainings consist of up to three seminars a person can choose (or choose not to) enroll in, after which like anything else a person chooses to do after hours such as attend a gym or take night classes at school, they go home to their families, churches, and normal lives somewhat improved by the experience. Like a gym membership or any educational program, yes, it does cost money. But your alarmist reaction to the very idea of anyone seeking to learn to improve themselves by going outside what you consider the "approved" channels would be met with chuckles and a sad shake of the head by those who have actually attended any of these seminars.<br /><br />Our religion teaches us to seek to continually improve ourselves -intellectually, spiritually, and in every other way. I agree with the prophet Joseph Smith who taught that "we should gather all the good and true principles in the world and treasure them up, or we shall not come out true 'Mormons.'" (DHC 5:517).<br />Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-67110524942165065862017-08-28T08:07:32.901-07:002017-08-28T08:07:32.901-07:00Loveley-Flower,
If you read my piece and took away...Loveley-Flower,<br />If you read my piece and took away from it that I was teaching that the light spoken of in D&C 88 "is NOT a separate entity within the universe, separate from God", then I either did a poor job of conveying my thoughts, or you grossly misinterpreted them. We learn in verse 12 of that chapter that this light proceeds forth from the presence of God and fills the immensity of space. The following verse tells us it governs all things, even the power of God who is in the midst of all things. Note it doesn't govern God Himself, but it governs the power which proceeds forth from His midst.<br /><br />You then proposed that the young woman who smoked outside of the church building between meetings may have not been worthy to be baptized at that time, clearly indicating your belief that she may not yet have been worthy of joining the church. <br /><br />But baptism has nothing to do with becoming a member of our particular denomination. As the prophet Joseph taught,"there is no other way beneath the heavens whereby God hath ordained for man to come to him and be saved, and enter into the Kingdom of God" (TPJS 198).<br /><br />We make a grave mistake in placing baptism for the remission of sins on par with entrance into our particular denomination, for such assumptions inevitably lead to tests regarding whether we think certain persons are good enough to join our little club. John the Baptist did not conduct interviews to determine the worthiness of those who entered the water. Neither did Alma, who performed hundreds of baptisms quickly and in secret to keep knowledge of those baptisms from the unapproving eyes of governmental authorities. The only actual requirement for baptism is repentance, and a desire to come unto God and be baptized.<br /><br />We deserve to change our thinking on this. As Charles Harrell writes in "This Is My Doctrine: The Development of Mormon Theology", "Scholars note that baptism was initially performed by John the Baptist and Jesus's disciples as a cleansing rite to prepare them for the coming kingdom of God, which was perceptually distinct from the Church."<br /><br />It appears that equating baptism with joining our particular denomination is something we picked up in the 19th century from the protestants, as it was not an issue in the early church of Christ. As LDS religion scholar Kevin L. Barney explains, "[Baptism's] full significance as a rite marking formal initiation into the church is a later Christian innovation." (Quoted in Harrell, ibid.)<br />Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-39513879975208277852017-08-27T22:21:44.809-07:002017-08-27T22:21:44.809-07:00Fourth, saying that "all evidence shows that ...Fourth, saying that "all evidence shows that the doctrines of the restoration were meant to be a starting place, a jumping off point from which God expects us to lift off into greater light and knowledge" is simply not true. Joseph Smith and other prophets and apostles have indeed said that we should seek after truth. Yes! We should seek after truth! However, the "greater light and knowledge" of meta-physics is not truth. It is theory, and it is a way for you to slowly retract your faith from God and discovering real truths. These truths that the prophets have stated are sciences, education, revelation, and so forth. Not the "enlightened state of mind" you receive from taking LSD, or from those "unnamed" "self-awareness groups" you mention.<br />It's funny, because you did mention it. You said "The impact of these trainings..." Yeah, I caught that. Very funny! The things you said about this "self-awareness group" make me think that you are actually a part of Impact Trainings. PLEASE, to anyone reading, DO NOT JOIN IT! It is legitimately a cult and will try everything it can to take your money and your time away from your family, religion, and the rest of your life. These so called "self-awareness groups" that the First Presidency said to stay away from are the very things that will destroy your faith in God. There is nothing wrong with seeking out truth for yourself. In fact, it is highly encouraged to seek truth for yourself with scriptures and prayer. However, trying to seek other knowledge from unofficial LDS sites, like yours, leads many, many people down a rabbit hole that sends them flying to confusion and misunderstanding. Your website is one of the very sites that the Church was talking about when they warned people from seeking truth from Anit-Mormon sites. <br />The Church is true, the prophets are ordained of God, and God knows INFINITELY more than we ever will in this life. So why think that we should "move on" and try to seek out "truth" in other places when we can literally ask God the truth? We do not know why God does some of the things we do. But having faith will help us understand, little by little, that there is so much more than what we see. There is more than science, more than "ether", more than quantum physics. There is more than "energies", more than the light of Christ. <br />I plead with you to please rethink your mindset. Exercise a little faith, and read the scriptures, whether it be the Bible or Book of Mormon. Your loving Heavenly Father will show you the right way.lovely-flowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699825729937885894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-87586756654359080222017-08-27T22:21:24.292-07:002017-08-27T22:21:24.292-07:00Please do not quote sources that are only half tru...Please do not quote sources that are only half true. For example, you said that the "light" mentioned in D&C 88 was the Holy Spirit. That is false. That "light" is actually the Light of Christ. lds.org says that the Light of Christ is "the divine energy, power, or influence that proceeds from God through Christ and gives life and light to all things." That is starkly different from the Holy Spirit, who is a member of the Godhead. It is also commonly referred to as your conscience. It is certainly NOT a separate entity within the universe, separate from God. <br />Second, there is a difference between judgement and RIGHTEOUS judgement. Certainly, it was not righteous judgement to tell the people who smoked to not come to church until they quit smoking. That shows the imperfect judgements of church members. However, just because someone lives with another person long enough to have it be called a "common-law" marriage doesn't mean that they are worthy to be baptized. It also seemed like she wasn't in the right mindset for baptism. As you stated, "I don't necessarily want to join your church, or even any church; I just want to be baptized." She obviously didn't realize the commitment or implications associated with being baptized into this church. It requires a whole lot of responsibility, but if understood correctly, it also brings many more blessings that we would otherwise receive.<br />We need judgement to decide what is moral and of God, and what is immoral. That does not mean we get to shun others for their decisions, but we are allowed to look at others' choices and decide that it would not be good for us to partake in that same choice.<br />Third, Russel M Nelson's article in 2003 would make a whole lot more sense if you quoted more than what seemed like a harsh sentence. What he was saying was that there are consequences for your actions. You are not going to receive the same amount of God's "love", or blessings, if you are acting contrary to His commandments. This statement of "unconditional love" can easily be taken to mean that you are saved no matter what actions you partake in. That is simply not the case. God will not bless you for cheating on your partner. He will love you, but His love will not save you unless you repent and accept Christ's Atonement and try to live like Him.lovely-flowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699825729937885894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-28421069695880664792017-08-27T22:21:11.188-07:002017-08-27T22:21:11.188-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.lovely-flowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10699825729937885894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-43057843951968065082017-07-03T12:55:56.382-07:002017-07-03T12:55:56.382-07:00i can't believe i've never heard of this. ...i can't believe i've never heard of this. i have found small "clues" to the nature of the holy ghost, god, consciousness, like in d&c 88. but never in church. only one time have i heard someone mention the possibility, before i was a member, in an offhanded comment at a relief society dinner. this...is...shocking. i just, can't, believe this is not talked about more. i would love to talk about this in church, and sometimes i slip it in a talk now and then, but i always get the feeling people are uncomfortable talking about god so deeply. holy crap. we get the most watered down dang skim milk in church sunday after sunday after sunday. how refreshing would it be to taste...something...else. and i'm not an apostate. i just want the church to be someplace where we can actually learn, and not just count metrics, and not feel good about memorizing the "right" answer to the same dang lesson we hear over and over. i've heard they are going away from the lesson books next year? maybe? Anniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14025335139772905696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-55880153348724747692016-10-15T21:39:17.576-07:002016-10-15T21:39:17.576-07:00ALJ,
What commandment do you believe that woman w...ALJ, <br />What commandment do you believe that woman was not living? Did you conclude she was living in sin? I thought I made it clear she was in a committed COMMON LAW marriage, a marriage recognized as LAWFUL and valid in every state of the union. The LDS Church, however, insisted that she seek a license from the State before IT recognizes her marriage as valid; othewise they refused to baptize her.<br /><br />So who broke the commandment here? The MARRIED woman desiring to follow the commandment of Christ and be baptized, or the judgmental men who denied her attempt to follow that important commandment? <br /><br />This is not God's way. I addressed the strange practice the modern LDS Church promotes of placing man's statutes regarding marriage above the law of God in this post:<br /><br />http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-real-threat-to-traditional-marriage.html<br /><br />I submit that if our founding prophet was able to get married without a license as did EVERY SINGLE LATTER-DAY SAINT living in Kirtland, Missouri, and Nauvoo; and that by being so wedded they were breaking none of God's commandments, why then would you deign to judge the woman of whom I spoke?<br /><br />You further wonder why I cannot accept God's prophets as God's prophets. I do. I accept every prophet mentioned in the Book of Mormon as God's prophets, as I accept those in the bible. I also accept Joseph Smith as a prophet, not only because he exhibited the gifts of a prophet, seer, and revelator, but because we have scriptural evidence that he was so ordained.<br /><br />If you expect me to accept the modern Church leaders as prophets, you might be kind enough to provide me with two important criteria: Show me evidence that any of them have received and disseminated any actual prophecies and revelations, and second, name the dates they were ordained as prophets, seers, and revelators as was Joseph Smith.<br /><br />Brigham Young did not claim to be ordained of God. If you believe he was regardless, I ask you to name the date and time of that ordination.<br /><br />If Brigham was never ordained a prophet, seer, and revelator, how can we claim those keys and abilities were handed down to his modern successors?<br /><br />I believe in living prophets. What I don't believe in is the worship of false prophets. The true prophets had a word for that. They called it idolotry.<br /><br />Not long ago I asked the question, "Where Did The Oracles Go?" Perhaps you know something I don't about it; if so I hope you'll return and fill me in on what I missed because heaven knows we could use some actual living prophets in this church today.<br /><br />http://puremormonism.blogspot.com/2015/06/where-did-oracles-go.html<br /><br /><br />Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-54664945831874782892016-10-14T09:16:38.094-07:002016-10-14T09:16:38.094-07:00I read with some interest until you got to the sto...I read with some interest until you got to the story of a woman wanting to be baptized while not living the commandments. A person cannot be baptized while blatantly violating something as serious as this. And as for your reference to the "corporate church" & messages from the first presidency, either the leaders (especially the president of the church) ARE prophets of God, or they are not. If they are not, why even belong to the church? If they are, then perhaps it is YOU who is lacking in understanding. I admit that quite a few members (probably myself included to some degree) are too judgemental. But there IS a difference between being judgemental & exercising good judgement. Also, the reason for the stress placed on the very basic doctrines is because far too many of us try to look beyond the mark. We would seek "enlightenment" while neglecting the essential & basic things. If you cannot accept God's prophets AS prophets then surely any perceived enlightenment you may find in the teachings of the prophet of the restoration are being picked through & parsed to serve your own ideology. Either there IS a living prophet on the earth today who holds the keys of the priesthood of the true & living God or there is not. If the prophets & leaders of the church ARE, in fact, prophets then they are due far more respect & consideration than you are willing to extend. ALJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09849099199182474170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-55519819083110585772016-01-30T05:20:48.130-08:002016-01-30T05:20:48.130-08:00Do you believe in the Cosmic Pluralism of Brigham ...Do you believe in the Cosmic Pluralism of Brigham Young, or The Trinity taught in The Bible and the Book of Mormon?Kuudere-Kunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-24174148641426373592015-10-26T12:46:49.665-07:002015-10-26T12:46:49.665-07:00I come back just one more time, after reading the ...I come back just one more time, after reading the post for the second time, now including all the comments. It is all really impressive, and deep. I guess you have to live a long time before you get some understanding of the atonement as an infinite reconciliation - as the BoM calls it - for the fall, to bring about justice and balance, as was laid out in this post. This includes not just the physical world in our part of the universe but also the spiritual;including God(s), angels, spirits, mortals, and what we call devils; if you want to believe all that stuff.<br />Much of this is also covered in a lovely book written by John A. Widtsoe, "a rational theology", a Mormon classic from around 1920/1930, valued so much that it was even translated into the Dutch language, a very small edition of course, but that is how I got to read it, and in fact brought me to the LDS church, way back in 1967. No matter our standing in the church, this theology is what we should be looking for and never let it go, once we have found it.R. Metzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15875261161185193692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-348266424142320152015-10-22T13:39:39.912-07:002015-10-22T13:39:39.912-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.R. Metzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15875261161185193692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-19375666141389729942015-10-22T13:38:38.781-07:002015-10-22T13:38:38.781-07:00One correction; Orson Pratt had already died of co...One correction; Orson Pratt had already died of course, but Einstein did visit the library of Orson, while making that remark.R. Metzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15875261161185193692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-34102778506182297172015-10-22T13:29:23.674-07:002015-10-22T13:29:23.674-07:00This was an interesting post, in particular the th...This was an interesting post, in particular the thoughts on justice and atonement. Having pondered on this subject myself for years, I was happy to be confirmed in my ideas by Skousen (and John Widtsoe of course).<br />I remember reading a story about Albert Einstein visiting Orson Pratt, on one occasion, and seeing the book "Key to the universe" he opened it and on investigating the contents he said that there were just a few people in the world who could write that book. Joseph Smith having people like Orson and his brother Parley Pratt and Orson Hyde and others, coming to him (sent to him) as his associates in that particular time and place in the wilderness, is for me additional proof of the divine origin of the restoration.R. Metzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15875261161185193692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-56993113473624368662015-10-11T15:17:47.222-07:002015-10-11T15:17:47.222-07:00And it is not in the dominant human nature to be d...And it is not in the dominant human nature to be doubting Thomas, though one might argue there is a dollop of something else vying for attention. It's mostly the exact opposite. The constant good fight has been to resist that natural urge. From animism & astrology-on, humans have imbued at various times everything and everyone, real or imagined, things or persons, from many deities to fewer, with assumptions of supernatural consciousness and increasing anthropomorphism. If that wasn't the case, the scientific method, peer review, and the use of the written word to bridge the mortality gap (that the efforts and understanding of mere mortals will eventually come to an end) would not be so necessary for the progress of knowledge.Reticulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07275222285102776996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-3586893673980656262015-10-11T14:51:33.820-07:002015-10-11T14:51:33.820-07:00If Joseph Smith was some kind of prophet, he would...If Joseph Smith was some kind of prophet, he would have done relativity himself. The universe is not all plasma. The universe as all electromagnetism does not hold up at all. It can't even deal with rotating high-mass bodies out in space. It fouls up the force geometry. This universal plasma stuff you're going on about is long-debunked pseudoscience. The revolution of Einstein, besides the fact he revolutionized our understanding of electromagnetism and won a Nobel Prize for it, is that the geometry itself morphs. The math only begins to work when the space-time is distorting back and forth to ensure information conservation. As for quantum mechanics, what Einstein was trying to do was figure out how gravity works in the quantum realm. Physicists are still trying to figure that out. However, many weird quantum effects like the results of the double slit experiment are now understood (and proven) to be an outgrowth of Information Theory mathematics having to do with statistical probability and observation/measurement. It is not that the electron is intelligent, but rather that a conscious observer or measurer (you) is causing this effect.Reticulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07275222285102776996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-74869517910069188642015-10-11T14:50:21.430-07:002015-10-11T14:50:21.430-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Reticulihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07275222285102776996noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-63860720889672059612015-09-04T19:51:58.608-07:002015-09-04T19:51:58.608-07:00I'm a bit late to the game, but I thought my f...I'm a bit late to the game, but I thought my favorite scripture might be applicable here:<br /><br />Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."<br /><br />This blog generally and this post specifically have certainly helped me become transformed and attempt to align my will with God's.Suziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11600176594249544598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-57353885110925630872015-08-05T17:09:20.220-07:002015-08-05T17:09:20.220-07:00(Cont) Not to say that prophets are infallible in ...(Cont) Not to say that prophets are infallible in this fallen world, but if a mistake squeaks by we just have faith (and patience) that God will fix it “in His own time, in His own way”. For example, it’s possible that the priesthood ban on blacks was solely Brigham Young’s idea (or maybe God had a higher reason for it, we don’t know). Why God waited so long to change it, only He knows--maybe He simply saw it as a random opportunity to make us squirm—to test our faith and patience (adding more weight to the bar). Many subsequent prophets expressed faith that the ban would someday be lifted, but they knew they had to patiently wait for a revelation. So again, I don't see an excuse to succumb to strength-sapping doubt.<br /><br />In the end, it’s up to us whether we buckle under the weight of whatever happens to try our faith, or we fight to overcome that resistance and get closer and closer to moving mountains and beyond.<br />Drunehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08691599163330830428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-1986658647184884412015-08-05T17:05:21.316-07:002015-08-05T17:05:21.316-07:00Rock -- I really found the "metaphysics"...Rock -- I really found the "metaphysics" part of your article interesting and faith promoting (and I thank you for pointing me to that Skousen talk). Granted, since the translation of “metaphysical” implies the existence of a realm that transcends nature and physics (as surmised by Plato and company, then adopted by post-apostolic Christian theologians), perhaps that term is not a perfect fit for the principles restored through Joseph Smith?<br /><br />Smith taught us another indispensable ingredient to controlling the elements, when he said: "Who cannot see, that if God framed the worlds by faith, that it is by faith that he exercises power over them, and that faith is the principle of power? And if the principle of power, it must be so in man as well as in the Deity?" (LoF 1). Knowing this principle of power was inherent within each of us as children of God, Christ constantly implored his followers to increase their faith, illustrating its immense potential by teaching that faith the size of a tiny mustard seed was enough to lift up a mountain and drop it into the sea. <br /><br />I think it's safe to say one of the great purposes of the Fall was to provide us the opportunity to develop faith, since it would be difficult to experience any real growth if that big separation from God had never occurred, and we remained in a paradise where everything came easy. Just like with weightlifting, we often grow by overcoming resistance, working "by the sweat of our face" for the results God promised. And faith certainly IS hard work for humans, since it's in our nature to be more like doubting Thomas—trusting our own human opinion instead of God’s. Many see faith as counterintuitive because it feels more like weakness to surrender your own opinion for that of another (even if it’s God’s), so as dumb as it sounds, we must have faith that faith begets unfathomable strength, not weakness.<br /><br />It’s in this context that I have trouble with the doubts you frequently express about the LDS church and its leaders. If I had to sum up the impression I often get from blogs like yours, it’s that whenever a church position doesn’t agree with the writer’s personal opinion, it is deemed incorrect or uninspired. This to me just shows a lack of faith in God—faith that He is actually directing the church through His chosen leaders. If you un-rack a bench press bar, then expend little or no effort to overcome its resistance, the result will be very unproductive (not to mention painful). When a church position challenges your human sensibilities, the equivalent to lifting that bar would be to humbly accept it with a trust that God is at the helm, and He knows what He’s doing (always remembering that His ways are not our ways).<br /><br />I recently read a Wikipedia list of ways the RLDS differs from the LDS—which included ordaining women to the priesthood, acceptance of same-sex marriage, rejection of 10% tithing, polygamy not commanded by God, no temple sealings/ordinances/genealogy, rejection of Book of Abraham, repudiation of the one-true-church claim, acceptance of the Trinity, etc. When I consider each of these, I can see the human thinking (not always excluding my own) that would lead to each of these choices. We know that in the LDS church, some members fight for similar changes. But no matter how reasonable or intuitive they may seem, human opinions don’t matter in the end—only God’s does! So no matter how strenuous it may feel to go against our human instincts, we have faith that He is the one driving the boat.<br />Drunehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08691599163330830428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-20324038704061597352014-11-02T09:49:11.868-08:002014-11-02T09:49:11.868-08:00Hey Rock
Great article. I was taught some of this...Hey Rock<br /><br />Great article. I was taught some of this stuff by the guy who introduced me to Mormonism. I thought it was taught and understood by the church at large, but unfortunately it isn't.<br /><br />By the way, a quantum isn't a particle, it's a unit of measurement. It derives from the Latin word "quantus" meaning "how much?". So basically, a quantum of, say an electron, is the smallest amount of electrons you can have. So it's the number 1. Physicists say a quantum instead of "one electron" or "one neutron" because it makes them look smart and we give money to smart people. This is how smart people make money.Steak Presedenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11145688976336741401noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-82465156103573263172014-09-27T15:15:17.792-07:002014-09-27T15:15:17.792-07:00I find it so illogical when this person (writer) t...I find it so illogical when this person (writer) takes many known truths and then comes to illogical conclusions and theories.<br /><br />We should all start out in the beginning:<br /><br />1. faith in the Lord Jesus Christ<br />2. Repentance (important)<br />3. Baptism for the remission of sins<br />4. Laying on of hands for the Gift of the Holy Ghost.<br /><br />(auto correct sometime changes the word I type, therefor the repost)Minerals Liberiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10641231774224870686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-29376656984656734272014-09-27T15:10:20.987-07:002014-09-27T15:10:20.987-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Minerals Liberiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10641231774224870686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-58048323512337084122014-05-27T22:31:14.920-07:002014-05-27T22:31:14.920-07:00Oh, SNAP!
Good response, BK. This guy's essa...Oh, SNAP! <br /><br />Good response, BK. This guy's essay was insufferable. He seems to have no conception whatsoever of the meaning of Charity.I. Willet DeValehttp://lds.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-41763488922108330762014-05-27T22:24:52.278-07:002014-05-27T22:24:52.278-07:00Brother Scott,
I disagree with your ideas about ...Brother Scott, <br /><br />I disagree with your ideas about unconditional love, but I understand why you feel and think the way you do. <br /><br />Those who don't 'want' to have to have unconditional love never believe in it (for it requires too much sacrifice, service and complete faithfulness to just one spouse (wife) their whole life & all eternity)<br /><br />Those who would rather live polygamy, never believe in Christlike true unconditional love. They are polar opposites. <br /><br />Unconditional love is not chaos, it is not without laws and conditions. Unconditional love is very ordered and exact and deliberate. It requires great diligence of mind and body. It is near impossible to gain and maintain, for it goes completely against the natural man. It is based on the highest of laws that only those with true love understand. <br /><br />But I realize your philosophy is very popular, it seems almost everyone on earth agrees with you and lives by your ideas, including the Adversary, he of course does not believe in or understand or agree with unconditional love.BKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-73973738179158706082014-05-27T14:20:17.135-07:002014-05-27T14:20:17.135-07:00PART 4 OF 4
You must know that this idea is repel...PART 4 OF 4<br /><br />You must know that this idea is repellent to Elohim. You must know that it is the slick, flattering and totally vain doctrine of Lucifer to create the ‘indolence’ ‘all you need is love’ and doctrine of His “Orthodox Religion’ – you are ‘saved by Grace, and not by any work you do’!<br /><br />That is the same Lucifer used in the Pre-Existence that drew away and everlastingly destroyed the future of 1/3 of the Host of Heaven. AND YOU Are Again Tempted by the Father of Lies<br /><br />To Reject The Sacrifice hard work – indeed the Cross – ‘to deny yourself of all ungodliness and every worldly lust’. And one of the lusts is this ‘desire’ to make easy the Olympian Struggle to follow and become like Christ and be one with Him and The Father. <br /><br />Your Unconditional Love will not take you anywhere but to one of the ‘forbidden paths’ seen by Lehi and Nephi in the Vision created by Jehovah to show the dangers and death to those that stray from the ‘Straight and Narrow’ the Iron Rod. There is no honor in unconditional. There is no exactness of obedience in unconditional—by its very nature it Rejects any ‘condition’ any rule any and all Covenants. And how can you be ‘true and faithful in all things’ if what you think, dream, live and aspire has ‘no conditions’. THAT IS NOT GODLINESS.<br /><br />The Olympian has muscles from rules, hours, pain, discipline –not the sloth of ‘unconditional’<br />The man who dies for his wife and children draws no power, no strength from ‘unconditional’<br /><br />No woman can accept the Order of Heaven; the Order of the Priesthood and be a helpmeet to her husband based on ‘unconditional’<br /><br />She will reject Eve's example.<br />She will not make a sacred covenant to her husband. She will not live the pattern following him as he follows Christ—<br />THE SAME PATTERN AS CHRIST FOLLOWING HIS FATHER -- ELOHIM. <br /><br />Why would she? - <br />She believes in the LIE of unconditional. <br />Why would she make the effort? - that would be work, sacrifice, it would take pure commitment—<br />and most of all FAITH that there is a pattern- rules and 'conditions' she must abide and fulfill. <br /><br />Such 'unconditional' women believing that 'doctrine' will never ever, ever in all Eternity be the wife of a Godly man <br />let alone the wife of a God. <br /><br />[See D&C 88:22-24 and D&C 132:21]<br /><br />Those who not abide this law- (as Christ said) cannot abide where He is!!! That is fact !!! <br />“That which breaketh a law, and abideth not by law, <br />but seeketh to become a law unto itself, <br />and willeth to abide in sin, <br />and altogether abideth in sin, <br />cannot be sanctified by Law, <br />neither by Mercy, JUSTICE, nor Judgment.” <br />Therefore, they must remain filthy still. (D&C 88:35) [emphasis added]<br /><br />And NO WOMAN can even approach the vista and path of true selfless joy and life with no jealousies with other sisters <br />and no rivalry that exists in “pure plural marriage” <br />(That so demonstrably most of you reject as evil. <br />For it is holy and meant only for great men and glorious women – <br />not the haters and evil like Emma or Hagar of Old <br />whose poisonous fruit brought the ‘Reorganized Church’ <br />and the entire nations of the Arabs and pagan jihad of Islam – <br />Lucifer’s most favored Ant-Christ tool. <br />{receptively i.e. Emma & Hagar}<br /><br />Your love affair with ‘no’ ‘conditions’ will lead each of you <br />to be sent away into darkness and suffering of Hell. <br />And if (this lie) is held in bitterness through the ordeal of anguish for sin – [Hell]<br />will grant you a just Retribution and Restitution to the darkness it is—<br />to that final destiny of ‘outer darkness’ for the fallen hosts and Lucifer.<br /><br />Here my simple humble little voice—and turn from this most dangerous LIE<br />And learn the ‘conditions’ – seek in humility and meekness to observe (learn) and keep (obey) them and I promise you can have the Blessings of Life Eternal.<br /><br />Your brother F. ScottAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com