tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post5360683393278297560..comments2024-03-13T12:52:19.391-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: Go Ahead And Skip That Temple WeddingAlan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger275125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-7836965525244166412019-10-25T05:39:57.528-07:002019-10-25T05:39:57.528-07:00The blog and data is excellent and informative as ...The blog and data is excellent and informative as well <a href="https://ultimateletter.com/sample-leave-application-for-brother-marriage/" rel="nofollow">leave application for brother marriage</a>newsupgradehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01488204469676318213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-14047755082570538662015-12-07T17:06:16.500-08:002015-12-07T17:06:16.500-08:00
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To those above who think temp...And another comment. To those above who think temple marriage only. Where does it say this in the scriptures because I definitely did a lot of scripture study before I chose to do my civil wedding first. The scriptures say a lot about being legally and lawfully wedded but nothing about going to a temple and performing the sacred sealing ceremony. Again I am glad I never did. The woman I married didn't want to be with me no matter how hard I tried to show her I loved her. I tried with all my might. Tried the counseling, tried to talk with her. Share my feelings ect. The whole nine yards. Getting married to her civilly did not mean that I did not love her. I loved her and STILL LOVE her to this day. Every time I see her or speak with her, I hold back tears wishing that our marriage would have worked and that she would have tried a little harder. But to this day she believes that she didn't really love me which I do not think is true. She forgets the times we had together, the passionate meaningful and close conversations. So to someone like me do you say that I DID NOT LOVE my ex-wife because we chose to not get married in the temple? I know I shouldn't get offended but it makes me deeply offended. These comments just verify what I said in my last one. The woman of our culture are being brainwashed to thinking of the "Perfect" husband and most won't look to anything else even if that man could love her more than any other man could love her. If they don't have that mission and they are divorced well then "See ya later!" I feel quite repulsive towards this attitude and it makes me sick to my stomach. A guy that made a mistake early on in his years is condemned for just that, a mistake. All humans make mistakes.William Wilsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15756288276513413499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-36629937478347916712014-01-14T23:27:03.376-08:002014-01-14T23:27:03.376-08:00Now this is something I totally agree with you on ...Now this is something I totally agree with you on Alan. I was married civilly first and am I so glad that I was. Our marriage was a disaster that if we had taken to the temple would have made things a lot worse for the bride and I. Especially since in our culture, living with the person before marriage is grounds for excommunication. I do think we could have been "compatible" she won't say that but I will. I'm not going to go into any details because it is a long story but basically she married me and didn't love me the day she married me.. She says she was confused.. Why marry me in the first place!? Anyways, back on track. I think this is some of the best advice I could give anyone. And I don't like how most of the members shove the idea of "If you don't get married in the temple, there is something wrong with you," down other peoples' throats. It is absolutely disgusting. To think if I had been married in the Temple, I don't know what I would do at the moment. I would be stuck in the most miserable of relationships with someone who doesn't love me and who isn't willing to try at all. It would be hell in honor of a foolish tradition. Hey I know a lot of people who make it quite well after their temple marriages. But I feel sorry for those who get stuck in situations like I was in and can't get out. And if they try to get out they have to go through a very tedious process. And in our culture today. Since I had to leave early from my mission and now I am divorced. I don't see any young Mormon girl even taking a look at me. They find those two things out and I'm theoretically tossed into the garbage can. It really sucks because I would love to find a girl with my beliefs, that would love me and care for me unconditionally. Which unfortunately was not something I was able to experience in my 1st and only marriage. I'm scared I'll never be able to find a good Mormon girl my age. Another mistake I made though was getting married at 20. Oh how I wish I had waited.William Wilsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15756288276513413499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-88855969888921501232013-12-26T06:05:27.769-08:002013-12-26T06:05:27.769-08:00Whereas on the other hand, the common credenda tha...Whereas on the other hand, the common credenda that if a couple doesn't get married in the temple first, they are somehow less worthy or lacking in the faith, is a recent tradition only a few decades old and wholly unsupported by scripture.Robert D. Blackburnhttp://www.customchallenge-coins.com/legacy-coins.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-35727402185965925422013-12-13T11:05:11.931-08:002013-12-13T11:05:11.931-08:00This post is a blessing. I have literally just be...This post is a blessing. I have literally just been sitting here at my desk crying over my checkbook (it's christmas and I don't have enough money to even finish shopping for my kids) - if I pay my tithing right now (I've never missed - ever and have always paid gross on my paychecks) - I wont have enough to even buy groceries. My dilemma for the last hour has been "do I pay tithing and trust that God will provide for needs" or "do I pay the other bills sitting here" - I have been trusting in God for the last five years that our business has suffered and we are NOWHERE! In fact, we just filed BK and I am sure the Trustee is thinking "what the hell are you spending $590 a month on 'tithing'?" Tithing has let me down. This church has let me down. At great personal sacrifice (almost losing my home and now in BK) - have I paid tithing! At one point, when we had to let go of our bookkeeper (we eventually had to let all of our 28 employees go and our office - we are hanging by a thread now) - I started taking over the books and saw that there was an account in QB listed as "loan to shareholders" - that would be my husband and myself. Apparently, any monies we took out of the business were being booked as "loan to shareholder" - this made me realize that we had not paid taxes on these, nor had we paid tithing!! (this was obviously not going to get paid back by us ever since it was approximately $300,000 (over a 10year period of time) - I literally wrote a check to the church for $30,000 to cover this money so that I could feel like I was being honest in my efforts to tithe and not "rob" God. This $30,000 came at a time when our business was failing and we were letting employees go. Where was this post in 2008? I could sure use that $30,000 right now. This post was a needed blessing in that - I just voided my tithing check for $590 and changed it to $116 - 10% of my surplus. Thank you. a huge burden has been lifted. huge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-16890666523544217292013-11-27T06:18:28.538-08:002013-11-27T06:18:28.538-08:00OK, making this post w/o having read any of the co...OK, making this post w/o having read any of the comments and having read the initial post a few months ago.<br><br>Requiring a year wait is all about money. It's the way the Church keeps 40 - 60 something men paying their tithing. They don't want to miss their children's weddings. If the kids could get married and then walk over to the temple and get sealed, you'd see a decline in tithe payers. People would figure the civil ceremony is good enough.Andrew T.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-13092472274721776202013-11-24T10:50:04.002-08:002013-11-24T10:50:04.002-08:00You must be a full-fledge moron, Anonymous, or you...You must be a full-fledge moron, Anonymous, or you would KNOW that Andrew was employing sarcasm in his comment above about child baptism. GEEEZ you gave yourself away.I. Willet deValenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-67565635648633881442013-11-24T08:57:56.690-08:002013-11-24T08:57:56.690-08:00You must be fuul fledge catholic or you would KNOW...You must be fuul fledge catholic or you would KNOW that you don't baptize an infant for they are not accountable for adam and eves transgressiosn GEEEZ you gave your self awayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-21287476382962201222013-11-21T11:45:19.545-08:002013-11-21T11:45:19.545-08:00Dear Alan,In your description of the temple sealin...Dear Alan,<br><br>In your description of the temple sealings, you are supporting the idea that couples are "sealed" by priesthood authority for time and all eternity and that what is sealed on earth is also sealed in heaven. In the words of the ceremony, the sealer states, "You are now only annointed to become such; if you are true and faithful, the day will come when you are called up, washed, and annointed, and sealed, etc." This is variously referred to as the second annointing, higher blessings, etc. and includes the "washing of the feet". This sealing is unconditional and very secretive. I would think this knowledge supports your invitation to couples to marry civily before going to the temple for a conditional sealing that is NOT for time and All eternity. I also support the church allowing couples to go to the temple and be sealed after a civil ceremony. I think the bottom line is money--if you don't pay it, you can't enter the temple and cash flow is all important to the current leadership of the church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-21303855378708655922013-10-11T08:36:16.446-07:002013-10-11T08:36:16.446-07:00The Church and the leader do not promote gossip. P...The Church and the leader do not promote gossip. President Monson has repeatedly counseled us to "judge not". If members of the Churh do such things as gossip, then it is their fault, because of the natural man that is in them, and it is therefore not to be assumed as the Church's fault.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-13751157917792370012013-10-11T08:27:01.424-07:002013-10-11T08:27:01.424-07:00I am a young woman and I am currently preparing fo...I am a young woman and I am currently preparing for my temple wedding. I am so grateful to find a Church leader here. Rest assured my faith won't be shaken because of what they have posted here. I know the church is true and I know that Temple Marriages are important.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-89787055428237181682013-10-11T08:19:36.590-07:002013-10-11T08:19:36.590-07:00You had the exact words I had in mind. I'm gla...You had the exact words I had in mind. I'm glad there was someone here who had a decent mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-31984252142468685962013-10-01T14:45:20.560-07:002013-10-01T14:45:20.560-07:00I was married/sealed in the temple when I married ...I was married/sealed in the temple when I married my ex-husband...no one would tell me what to expect...what would take place. Now I wish we would have done it differently. None of his family was there and only a few of mine. I was so not ready for what I experienced. My grandfather, who worked hard to be "worthy" to be there (I was the only grandchild whose wedding he attended) was not allowed to hug me...I was devastated. I used to be like Sierra. Now, after many years and a wonderful husband, I realize that just because the "Church" says it, that doesn't make it true. I am so grateful I have had these experiences to allow me to learn and grow and continue searching for truth. We must rely on the Lord, NOT the arm of the flesh.Puttnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-44112212674464810242013-09-26T08:39:38.447-07:002013-09-26T08:39:38.447-07:00Alan,I read this with interest (I just discovered ...Alan,<br><br>I read this with interest (I just discovered your blog this morning and am now wasting more time at work than I can afford). My sweetheart and I were required to provide a valid marriage certificate at the Denver Temple in 1989; else the marriage would not have been legal.<br><br>In fact, we made an error in grip at the altar during our wedding which was not noted by the witnesses, came back to the temple the next day and realized the error during the endowment session, and when we brought the error to the attention of the temple presidency, they <i>re-sealed</i> us to make sure it was valid, while reassuring us that, for purposes of not being ex-ed for fornication, we had been legally married the day before. :)<br><br>We live in Minnesota, and I am curious as to how the Church will deal with "legally and lawfully married" now that same-sex marriage is legal in this state. I have an acquaintance, active in the Church in San Francisco, legally married to a non-member of the same gender and someday I'll work up the nerve to ask her how that's handled, but that whole question is tangential...Steve Flormanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11014482042571857496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-22299155270575405562013-09-16T04:08:20.659-07:002013-09-16T04:08:20.659-07:00Flowers and Entertainment makes the wedding lovely...Flowers and Entertainment makes the wedding lovely the decorators with there ideas makes the venue <br>preety and sourrounding <br><a href="http://www.marketplaceweddings.com/Montreal" rel="nofollow">Montreal Wedding Florists</a>Anna Sidorovahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17627233040545936386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-54027694044317089692013-09-13T01:52:33.398-07:002013-09-13T01:52:33.398-07:00I just stumbled upon this tonight, and really love...I just stumbled upon this tonight, and really loved and enjoyed it. I'm getting married soon, and my fiance and I have every intention of being sealed when we are both prepared. I have often wondered how some 18 and 19 year olds I see are spiritually prepared to take on the covenants of the temple, when they still spend so much time being immature in every other aspect. I love what you're trying to do, with getting to the real doctrine. It's my opinion that every aspect of the gospel is true, it's just so muddied up by the philosophies of men that we have to dig deep to find it.Little Dutch Hollyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08452438187918258436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-34671169889271837962013-09-11T11:20:55.272-07:002013-09-11T11:20:55.272-07:00Interesting. I agree with your "rosy marraig...Interesting. I agree with your "rosy marraige" illusion. Temple marraiges have most of the same challenges that a civil marraige has. One may also choose a less desirable partner because of the pressure to marry LDS in a temple. Such marraiges under religious pressure places a lifetime grey cloud over the entire marital outlook. It's one thing to marry your ultimate sweetie. It's another feeling to marry the LDS guy or girl because my ultimate sweetie could not take me to a temple.<br><br>However, in defense of modern temple marraige pressures, we must consider that the 1960's brought a breakdon of sexual moralities, open affairs amoung the married and acceptable divorce. With such moral turbulence, the church's decision to enforce <br>"worthiful" power marraiges may have been the smartest move. Young couples would need this reinforcement to withstand the moral decay prevelant in open society, that did not exist in former years where few marriages fell apart due to fear, social ridicule and women's submissive role...inspite of physical abuse and other horrids they endured behind closed doors.<br><br>I have been married twice. I have first hand insight into the commitment standards of a temple sealing and a civil convenience marraige in modern day. The church evolves with the times and you can waste your precious life away expressing your issues, or just go with the flow. Frankly, I have taken upon myself "free" agency (which isn't so free) and did not understand the scope of its sad consequence for even 10 years later when I had the hindsight, perspective and character growth to percieve how this action cost me productivity and opportunity in my life. We all have blinders in the moment; full 20/20 vision of the choices we made and their ultimate impact can be sorrowful. But, this is life. To make choices and learn by the results we created later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-72715747411839182652013-09-04T16:33:50.247-07:002013-09-04T16:33:50.247-07:00In Indiana and Kentucky we have to have a marriage...In Indiana and Kentucky we have to have a marriage license or the marriage isn't recognized by the state and you don't actually need a legal divorce, if things don't work out. That can be convenient I guess, but in order to be legally and lawfully wedded we need a marriage license. When my husband and I got married in the state of Connecticut, 42 years ago, in the Catholic church, we needed a civil marriage license. I was 21 and my husband was 22. We had to have a blood test to make sure we didn't have an STD, and our banns had to be published for three weeks ahead of the marriage in case there were any valid objections to our being married. We joined the church a year after our wedding and we waited another year to be sealed in the temple. We are each the only members of the church in our families. We actually joined the church because we wanted a forever marriage. The temple ceremony wasn't rushed or impersonal. It was sacred and meaningful. We went through the temple with the parents of the missionary who baptized us. I am personally thankful for all of our experiences. I feel that God was watching over us and preparing us for our marriage. Even though a non-temple wedding has advantages, and I believe that a temple sealing is important and necessary, the marriage itself and the keeping of promises long term are what really matter.Marie Brennannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-87029479711031785542013-08-27T15:20:22.754-07:002013-08-27T15:20:22.754-07:00Letting the Junk Yard Dog go seemed like a mistake...<br>Letting the Junk Yard Dog go seemed like a mistake. 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If you choose not to marry in the temple, so be it. I certainly will not judge and 90% of the members I know wouldn't either. Same goes for returned missionaries versus non. And I've NEVER heard anyone in the church give any advice to rush into marriage! I've only heard to choose wisely and carefully as it's for eternity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-23045417832150673482013-07-14T09:13:57.211-07:002013-07-14T09:13:57.211-07:00ha, ha--it's over a year later, and I have som...ha, ha--<br><br>it's over a year later, and I have something to report.<br><br>Rock, you're kind to let your blog be a 'show and tell' sort of experience--<br><br>Yesterday our family was invited to the wedding of a couple who are near neighbors of ours.<br><br>These people are 'gentle' souls, truly. We invited them to a number of activities at our church, and they VERY graciously attended (music events)--<br><br>but few of our ward members noticed them. This couple is biracial, and they have the sweetest garden, but that is not relevant to the 'story'--<br><br>Our neighborhood is modest, but many of the people here own the homes, and there is a sense of community--<br><br>these people are what I would call just above 'working poor'--<br><br>Anyway, we've been friends for years now; they have been living together for four years, and they planned this wedding for months--<br><br>one of our family members was asked to provide the music, and a very low rate was asked (out of neighborliness)--<br><br>these two special people (in their late 40s; one had been married before quite long ago and has two children from that previous marriage)<br><br>recently joined a storefront church in our town. The pastor (we met him; he was very gracious and very humble)--<br><br>has long hair and wears khaki shorts and sandals; his wife is very much a gentle soul, as is he.<br><br>We actually attended the rehearsal, and then the wedding, reception and dinner were yesterday--<br><br>it was a joyous feast and celebration for these two very kind-hearted people--<br><br>who are amazingly good neighbors--<br><br>another neighbor family was there (a young couple with their little children)--<br><br>our family sat near them--<br><br>and there was a lot of comraderie--<br><br>I've lived in places where there were a lot of LDS, and there were these huge receptions held in the cultural hall--<br><br>but nothing could match the joy and sense of community that existed at this wedding yesterday--<br><br>yes, 4 years of living together--<br><br>but they are so proud to finally be getting married; they wanted to do everything 'right'--<br><br>and they struggled, because they haven't always been treated well (being black and white)--<br><br>I even had a few moments, though we have been so happily married, of regret for our sterile little sealing wedding . . . so many decades ago--<br><br>nobody dared to speak above a whisper, and though many loved ones were there, and there was much hugging--<br><br>it wasn't the joyous celebration these people had--<br><br>and I felt some regret. What to do; what to do! <br><br>Anyway, thanks for letting me 'show and tell', and--<br><br>I daresay nobody will see this, but I just had to relate the difference--<br><br>between our staid, somber little ceremony and this amazing celebration--<br><br><br><br><br>LDSDPernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-30078551839664957052013-07-07T13:20:01.169-07:002013-07-07T13:20:01.169-07:00Great post. Something I started thinking about dur...Great post. Something I started thinking about during the Prop 8 thing was that, to my knowledge, a hetero couple that is civilly married can still be members in good standing--they can take the sacrament, serve in callings, etc. But why would that be, if the only "valid" wedding is a temple wedding and the Lord doesn't recognize the authority of men? In God's eyes, wouldn't they be unmarried and therefore living in fornication? I'm not saying that civilly married couples shouldn't be in good standing, I'm just pointing what to me looks like a contradiction. I know these are rare cases and will probably be swept under the rug, but what happens when gay Mormon couples become legally married? Obviously they won't be considered in good standing, but I'm just wondering what will happen to the rhetoric.isaacblackwriteshttp://isaacblackwrites.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com