tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post5189930262261799658..comments2024-03-28T15:23:18.071-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: How To Thank A VeteranAlan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-7620033245831118532013-01-10T14:05:09.339-08:002013-01-10T14:05:09.339-08:00Just out of curiosity, what country are you from?Just out of curiosity, what country are you from?Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-44686216008346573012013-01-10T13:56:28.221-08:002013-01-10T13:56:28.221-08:00Joining this late again having only just discovere...Joining this late again having only just discovered this blog a few days ago.<br>I must say I agree with much of the sentiment of this article. I am not from the US but worship of the military is rampant in my country too. It turns my stomach at times. It appears to me that nowadays all one has to do in order to be labelled a hero is to join the army!<br>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-46674791500367817042012-04-04T17:56:38.145-07:002012-04-04T17:56:38.145-07:00Thanks for weighing in. I received a lot of new Mo...Thanks for weighing in. I received a lot of new Mormon readers who came here from the link at the Daily Paul.<br><br>As a former military brat, I can attest to how easy it is to blame the soldier who enlisted thinking he was joining a noble endeavor. Sadly, recruits today have been duped, and as they awaken they are facing persecution from the government that duped them because these are becoming the vanguard in the fight to restore liberty. They deserve our support.Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-35430526577935980452012-04-04T11:33:11.281-07:002012-04-04T11:33:11.281-07:00Hey, I'm not too many months behind on this on...Hey, I'm not too many months behind on this one. This is the old(*ahem*er) lady who is a DPer . . . <br><br>who got the link to 'pure' from DP a few months ago and has been happily reading since--<br><br>Thank you, "Rock", for posting about those courageous veterans who are 'just saying "no"'--<br><br>these people are heroes, in *my* eyes--<br><br>to stand up, after having swallowed the military/war pill, and renounce it as they have done.<br><br>Have any of the rest of *you* seen the inspiring footage (thanks to Adam Kokesh, crazy man whom some of *us* like) of the Veterans for Ron Paul in D.C. a month or so ago? <br><br>These people are the real deal. I was very anti-military and shamefully black and white about the whole thing until I saw these young (and some probably as old as I am, some of the old Nam vets) people standing up--<br><br>I changed my mind and realized that I needed to re-think my "everyone who ever joins the military is bad and will always be bad" stance, and it's been liberating.<br><br>So, thank you for another excellent post on the 'pure' blog--<br><br>see you on DP with the agnostics/non-Zionist Christians/interesting other people--<br><br>:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-35970584737542527412011-12-04T12:17:39.335-08:002011-12-04T12:17:39.335-08:00It is interesting, the feeling of disgust that I f...It is interesting, the feeling of disgust that I felt watching the beginning of your suggested program, even now, so many years later. The human race sucks. Is there not a sufficiently large asteroid somewhere out there that can actually hit our planet for once and wipe out all life on earth in an instant, except for penguins and worms...and maybe a few fish here and there? I, for one, really want to get off this particle called earth, which is lost in a boundless ocean of being, so tiny and worthless. Darn it, they all seem to miss us! There might be a backup in the line to see Jesus on the other side when billions all arrive at the same time, but I can wait. Why does government work up there and not down here? I think it is because everybody is so drugged up on beauty and love, that there is no room for thoughts of domination and death. If God thinks that I am ever coming back here, He isn't as perfect as He claims. I hate it here. I will never leave heaven again...EVER.Steven Lesterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01285355643172321289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-88921931577102934812011-12-04T06:22:08.545-08:002011-12-04T06:22:08.545-08:00Rock, have you seen this? Whether you believe it o...Rock, have you seen this? Whether you believe it or not, ist's still worth a look.<br><br>http://youtu.be/bw6UCQu5-rMnon americannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-79070908964625882402011-12-03T15:03:16.282-08:002011-12-03T15:03:16.282-08:00Well, as my name implies, I am not American. I am ...Well, as my name implies, I am not American. I am European and I'm sorry but I have to be honest and say that most people I speak to HATE the way the Americans (not individuals, but the men / women in charge) rush in and stick their noses in where it's not wanted. And believe me, most of the time it's really not wanted. Sometimes it's hard to see yourself as others see you . America has a bad name here . It's just simply annoying .non americannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-71332959638021815542011-12-02T20:02:19.146-08:002011-12-02T20:02:19.146-08:00Steven, As the son of a career Sargeant in the Mar...Steven, <br>As the son of a career Sargeant in the Marines, I find your analysis spot on. I was infected with the brainwashing just by dint of living on base as a child and being immersed in the culture.Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-28807625264862850872011-12-02T11:01:34.906-08:002011-12-02T11:01:34.906-08:00I can understand where Mr. Rich's ire might be...I can understand where Mr. Rich's ire might be coming from. When one joins the military, in order to get the troops to be willing, even eager, to die and kill for a mere cause, the leaders will use well-proven techniques, as old as war itself, to warp the "soft" parts of a person's soul into a black and white cave of patriotic hate. The marines are the best at doing this successfully, as are any of the special ops programs. "America, wrong or right!" is the basic tone of the thing. Mind control to the max. Mr. Rich is suffering from this, and so he wrote what he wrote. He doesn't realize this about himself, but it is plain to anyone else not so afflicted. Hoora!Steven Lesterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01285355643172321289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-44543730127402750922011-12-02T07:06:44.624-08:002011-12-02T07:06:44.624-08:00Rich,I was one of those classic chicken hawk hypoc...Rich,<br>I was one of those classic chicken hawk hypocrites during the Vietnam war; a putz who believed strongly that America had the right and the duty to interfere in the sovereignty of foreign people for their own good. It was my firm belief that planting the American flag by force around the world was our divine destiny and God's fervent will for us.<br><br>I was secretly relieved, however, when I turned eighteen in 1970 and my number in the draft lottery was well into the 300's, making it a cinch I would never be called to back up all that chutzpah by actually going to war. Like modern day warmongers Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh, I had other priorities for my own life, but was fine with letting others fight, kill, and die in my place.<br><br>I have since repented for my hubristic beliefs regarding American military empire. But I have no regrets for not having served in the military at a time when it was being subverted into a tool for globalist ambitions.<br><br>My two younger brothers did join the navy, but you will have to ask them if they feel it was time well spent.Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-12605650822032524012011-12-02T01:26:58.733-08:002011-12-02T01:26:58.733-08:00Details, Mr. Rich. Examples of what you are basin...Details, Mr. Rich. Examples of what you are basing your insults upon. Otherwise, you just sound like a bigot.Steven Lesterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01285355643172321289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-18822264157193090662011-12-01T21:33:16.141-08:002011-12-01T21:33:16.141-08:00I must have substituted Ron for Rock offhand. Alt...I must have substituted Ron for Rock offhand. Although it does seem fitting when I think about it. More in terms of mental capacity than anything.. In any case i've seen your drivel before "rocky" it's in line with Laurence Vance in terms of pettiness. I've got no beef with Ron Paul, in fact i'm with him but your petty, insulting embellishments on what he has to say do nothing for his message. Ron Paul says it right, you fuck it up. That's the difference between a vet and you. That about sums it up huh?SUNNofaB.C.Richhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02135476339740462735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-28930704746686475712011-11-30T05:14:33.602-08:002011-11-30T05:14:33.602-08:00Yes, Ron Paul is a military veteran, unlike the ot...Yes, Ron Paul is a military veteran, unlike the other Republican warmongers on the stage with him at those debates.Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-87995124944229748472011-11-29T19:58:18.654-08:002011-11-29T19:58:18.654-08:00Yes, because the only way to have a valid opinion ...Yes, because the only way to have a valid opinion is to first join the military.Isaachttp://www.thestanfielddoctrine.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-22398571470082017112011-11-28T19:05:07.943-08:002011-11-28T19:05:07.943-08:00so....... you a vet, there Ron?so....... you a vet, there Ron?SUNNofaB.C.Richhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02135476339740462735noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-66304092734867397912011-11-15T18:18:15.138-08:002011-11-15T18:18:15.138-08:00Democracy is the system that allowed Barabbas to g...Democracy is the system that allowed Barabbas to go scot free. And there wasn't even mass media in those days.<br><br>So yes, even in his day, Jesus the miracle-worker could not get himself voted out from being nailed to a tree.<br><br>Democracy is a god that failed. The Greeks before Jesus already knew this from tragic experience. <br><br>All democracies eventually commit suicide. We are witnessing that now.Riconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-57708167021678101772011-11-15T15:45:14.397-08:002011-11-15T15:45:14.397-08:00Which is exactly why Ron Paul will never be electe...Which is exactly why Ron Paul will never be elected. Without media attention, not even Jesus could be elected, despite the hundreds of miracles He might have produced. The media is everything these days. Doesn't Ron get that? Who is his media guru? Whoever it is, he really needs to fire the guy and find somebody that will do the job. Does he really WANT to be President, or is he just looking for another pulpit?Steven Lesterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01285355643172321289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-50580736803035435292011-11-15T05:52:12.665-08:002011-11-15T05:52:12.665-08:00Non American,It was indeed a farce that CBS devote...Non American,<br>It was indeed a farce that CBS devoted Saturday Night's debate to the subject of foreign policy, then completely snubbed the only foreign policy expert on the stage.<br><br>They gave Ron Paul exactly 89 seconds. 89 seconds! Even other mainstream media outlets are jumping on CBS for that blatant disregard.Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-52119426260017747522011-11-15T05:49:06.510-08:002011-11-15T05:49:06.510-08:00Rico,That is indeed sad news about Daniel Peterson...Rico,<br>That is indeed sad news about Daniel Peterson's support of neocon Daniel Pipes, particularly since Peterson's book "Mohammed" appears to be a sympathetic treatment of Islam. (I bought the book but have yet to read it).<br><br>That is puzzling to me indeed. But I agree with your assessment about the corporate Church being against any nation that Israel hates. <br><br>Too many Christians -Mormons included- mistake the STATE of Israel as having something in common with the HOUSE of Israel. Like the United States government, the government of Israel is a godless fraud that only pays lip service to the Creator. The State of Israel, in fact, was largely founded by atheistic Jews. They7 were Jewish by birth, yes, but they had more in common with terrorists then Rabbis.Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-62311232978681294162011-11-14T20:40:39.131-08:002011-11-14T20:40:39.131-08:00Hi Rock,In your last post about ancient civilizati...Hi Rock,<br><br>In your last post about ancient civilizations in North America, you mentioned about Daniel Peterson as your favorite FARMS scholar. But it seems like this was long ago. I don't know if you still do today. Anyway...<br><br>I stumbled upon a letter from a blogger "LDS Patriot" asking about Peterson's opinion on Daniel Pipes, a neoconservative. This was posted in Feb 10, 2006:<br><br>http://ldspatriot.wordpress.com/2006/02/10/daniel-c-peterson-on-daniel-pipes-3/<br><br>Daniel Pipes is a prominent scholar on Radical Islamism. He is a member of the Project for the New American Century, that cabal of neoconservatives which has been lusting for an Iraq war since 1996:<br><br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century<br><br>Daniel Peterson has nothing but praises for Daniel Pipes. He notes to "LDS Patriot" that among his colleagues in FARMS, only one despises Pipes. If that is how popular Pipes is in FARMS, that should clue us on why the corporate Church is so pro-war against any nation that Israel hates.<br><br>PS: Btw, that Peterson colleague who despises Daniel Pipes is probably a Ron Paul nut...:-)Riconoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-47380776865196351422011-11-14T17:51:08.869-08:002011-11-14T17:51:08.869-08:00They would never take me alive.They would never take me alive.Isaachttp://www.thestanfielddoctrine.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-62548022887841851992011-11-14T14:07:10.356-08:002011-11-14T14:07:10.356-08:00And if you bloodied my nose, you'd be arrested...And if you bloodied my nose, you'd be arrested and put in jail for as long as I could get the judge to give. We are all such apes.Steven Lesterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01285355643172321289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-26706665409564507182011-11-14T07:04:04.350-08:002011-11-14T07:04:04.350-08:00Thought you might be interested in this.http://www...Thought you might be interested in this.<br><br>http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-gets-89-seconds-to-speak-in-cbs-debate/non americannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-78097690034075275962011-11-14T01:41:38.789-08:002011-11-14T01:41:38.789-08:00Oh boy Mr The Arkwelder. I guess the "free&qu...Oh boy Mr The Arkwelder. I guess the "free" education up there in the Great White North does not include anything on economics. Don't worry, we don't get it down here either. It feels so good to say "we" should help the poor, and "we" should provide health care (whatever that is) to those who need it, but it feels even better when you volunteer other people's money to pay for it all.<br><br>And then you have the problem of government mandated and funded education. What in the world do you think the victims of such schooling will learn? Critical thinking skills? Or maybe they'll learn dependence on an all-knowing and providential entity called The Government. Do you think there is any chance they'll learn anything but humanist tripe, drivel, and violence? Since when is such an education one of "the basic necessities of life"? Since never, actually. You've probably already pegged me as a heartless Republican, although if anyone called me that to my face they'd get a quick bloody nose. Even if they called me just a regular Republican. But isn't it kind of heartless to give away education and medical care at the expense of someone else? Socialized medicine is only heartlessness in another direction. Presuming to volunteer my money for the use of someone else is the same as volunteering my sons for war. If you believe in it, go for it. Leave me out of it.<br><br>I don't suppose you've ever wondered why being put on equal footing was such a good thing, or whether it is even possible. You should.Isaachttp://www.thestanfielddoctrine.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-15796029578219232942011-11-12T00:14:37.310-08:002011-11-12T00:14:37.310-08:00Thanks Rock for another great post. I cheer Ron ...Thanks Rock for another great post. I cheer Ron Paul in every debate--especially when he addresses foreign policy. I believe the next debate will be on foreign policy and unfortunately Ron Paul will stand alone as the only true conservative on the stage--the rest will show "I am more willing to be militant than thou.."<br>Maybe a continuing financial decline or collapse of our nation is for the best. One of first casualties (or should be) would be inability to fund our international imperialism. <br>It is interesting to note how the GOP keeps looking for "anyone but Romney" as they rally around others--Bachman, Perry, Cain and now Gingrich. Why not Ron Paul? Is it the foreign policy issues?Ron Madsonnoreply@blogger.com