tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post1033340411899721221..comments2024-03-28T15:23:18.071-07:00Comments on Pure Mormonism: The Book Of Mormon Cultural History Reading ProjectAlan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comBlogger114125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-82862131336995098432014-02-15T08:41:03.286-08:002014-02-15T08:41:03.286-08:00@Rock,No; they haven't been published, and I&#...@Rock,<br><br>No; they haven't been published, and I'm not sure I have the resources to do it--<br><br>I know that they are here and there, though, some of them.<br><br>Brigham Young? I'm not so sure it was open distrust, as much as that he simply didn't exist!!!<br><br>Joseph Smith was 'the man'--<br><br>he was the prophet; it's so obvious from what they say. And then there is just a huge gap; I don't think they cared who the leader(s) was/were, because they were just trying to survive.<br><br>A few accepted calls from Brigham Young, but often with dire results--<br><br>if there was respect, there wasn't love. I guess it's what wasn't said as much as what was--<br><br>and, yes, they left Utah as soon as they could--<br><br>there were those who strongly opposed polygamy, but they were very quiet about it.<br><br>And there was one who opposed polygamy but felt that it was his duty to make money as much as the 'leaders' did; it was a crazy time--<br><br>he wasn't successful--<br><br>LOL!<br><br>I guess that I was just surprised, when I was younger, that they left him out of the narrative, since he was supposed to be so wonderful (thanks to books I read in seminary, the 'official' history books)--<br><br>and now I see why.<br><br>One ancestor expressed admiration for Lorenzo Snow's brother Erastus, even though he was a polygamist, and the ancestor wasn't.<br><br>I need to go back and read some more, too--<br><br>Thanks, fusion--<br><br>:)<br><br>LDSDPernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-23419641163397487392014-02-15T06:13:18.523-08:002014-02-15T06:13:18.523-08:00So being an anonymous jerk online is fine and the ...So being an anonymous jerk online is fine and the temple is going to save you? That pretty much sums up religion. Janenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-85372769547482257032014-02-15T05:15:04.694-08:002014-02-15T05:15:04.694-08:00Amen to what Fusion just said, LDSDPer.I've be...Amen to what Fusion just said, LDSDPer.<br><br>I've been meaning to ask you about your ancestor's journals. Have they been published?<br><br>I'd really like to know some of the things about their distrust of Brigham Young, and how far reaching that was at the time among other members. We have been given examples of many who left the Church and even Utah, going so far as to return to the states, accusing Brigham of trying to build a personal autocracy; and so I wonder what your ancestors had to say about him.Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-3834833003301882972014-02-14T23:37:50.639-08:002014-02-14T23:37:50.639-08:00LDS-per,God bless you sister, may the Lord you and...LDS-per,<br><br>God bless you sister, may the Lord you and your family as much as possible. Your love for Jesus, the real one in the Book of Mormon, is something I can feel from thousands of miles away everytime I have read one of your posts.<br><br>FusionFusionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02292491965952471662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-62765474696942885642014-02-14T10:05:00.513-08:002014-02-14T10:05:00.513-08:00@anyone and Aw, if he/she will read:The brother in...<br>@anyone and Aw, if he/she will read:<br><br>The brother in Ecuador has hungry babies. :(<br><br>His babies might not grow up, because of malnutrition.<br><br>My husband and I got to the point where, after SO many Sundays of coming home and hearing the tears of our children--<br><br>from the things that were said to them at church, etc.--<br><br>and hearing about how, yes, if we just had faith we could be rich, and since we weren't rich, we hadn't shown faith, etc.--<br><br>and God loved those in the ward who had money more than those who worked nights for minimum wage--<br><br>(something that happened to us for a time, not now)<br><br>based on testimonies and comments in classes, etc.--<br><br>and we had to come home and pray to have good feelings and forgive and pick ourselves up and go on--<br><br>my husband and I began to feel drawn so powerfully to the Book of Mormon. It became our guide and our 'rod'--<br><br>and I had never heard of Rock or of Daymon Smith--<br><br>I hadn't read history; I had NO idea about all the 'stuff' that happened in and after Nauvoo--<br><br>except my ancestors' journals, which now make a LOT of sense to me--<br><br>LOL!<br><br>I didn't need the internet to learn that the Book of Mormon was the written standard I could trust.<br><br>But I was glad to find others who felt/feel the same way.<br><br>I don't NEED the internet, but I like to share my love of the Book of Mormon and, yes, my passion for the kernal of the gospel of Jesus Christ--<br><br>and my deep faith in Jesus Christ.<br><br>I like sharing that, but I suppose I am a freak of some kind.<br><br><br><br><br>LDSDPernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-76207536975603303932014-02-14T05:42:32.183-08:002014-02-14T05:42:32.183-08:00AW, I believe you have gone AWOL. Your criticisms ...AW, <br><br>I believe you have gone AWOL. Your criticisms of the questioning on bogs such as these, where folks SINCERELY love the Gospel of Jesus and believe its every word including that of not trusting the arm of flesh, is AWOL and has pretty much collapsed. <br><br>Your answers to my questions, which I believe to hold merit in each case, has been completely ignored- typical LDS mentality, I declare. And THAT is exactly why people are leaving!! <br><br>Instead of a sincere inspired attempt to help me and others, you have come back with an analogy that I would interpret as:<br><br>'Alma, you should put your faith in President Noah and the Brethren, instead of listening to Abinadi...you are in apostasy, bro'<br><br>'Nephi is the prophet of the church at the time, and the only one authorised to receive messages from the Lord, how can you guys listen to Samuel...this, this ummm guy Samuel that 'inspired policy' has shown cannot possibly hold the priesthood for he is a Lamanite and not one of the Brethren!'<br><br>'Nephi, you listened to your faither instead of the church leaders in Jerusalem?! Man, you are a fool! Your father thinks he can override the Brethren?! He should just stick with his home teaching...it's not like he is a great and noble one...'<br><br>Since you haven't, or rather, simply cannot answer my questions which are based PURELY on the scriptures and nothing else, then there is no point in wasting anymore time. Go ahead- you have the freedom to give your money to the folks who exchange secret signs, even those who ask you to not reveal them: <br><br>http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3I0gXJZ6XmU/Swycsbz_vJI/AAAAAAAAAH8/gwAB1VnrzBE/s640/monsonbushhandshake.gif<br><br>http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wDBUFOQ9_cc/Th5Vwz3_uMI/AAAAAAAABNA/JoBvKdWd30s/s1600/lds+handshake-01.jpg<br><br>The Brethren & the Government should not be cut from the same cloth yet on different sides of the fence.<br><br>It is sad you read the Book of Mormon but do not believe its prophecies that the modern day Gadiantons have done/will do to this people what their former mentors did to the Nephite church and government.<br><br>Be a real man (or woman if that is who you are) and answer the questions :)<br><br>Much love,<br>Fusion<br><br>Fusionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-43070571205877334742014-02-14T00:56:19.149-08:002014-02-14T00:56:19.149-08:00Aw,How is the man in Equador going to be able to t...Aw,<br>How is the man in Equador going to be able to tell if it's the Holy Ghost giving him revelation or the Adversary?<br><br>For there is no way to tell if you are receiving confirmation and truth from the 'Holy Spirit' VS. 'the Adversary' unless you have the scriptures, the words of Christ to prove that what the Spirit is telling you is true or not. <br><br>We are all easily deceived at times by the wrong Spirit, often most of the time. Even prophets are often deceived too, by false revelation, etc. <br><br>Thus, as Rock mentioned above, we need both the words of Christ AND the Spirit in order to make sure all teachings, persons or prophets are true or not. (Assuming we are righteous enough to be in tune with the HG) <br><br>It is a commandment to 'prove all things' and not just rely on or blindly accept what even prophets say, for the prophets teach that blind obedience is one of the fastest & surest ways to be deceived and led astray.BKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-38529007139838911572014-02-13T19:38:25.509-08:002014-02-13T19:38:25.509-08:00Humility removes the stumbling block of pride and ...Humility removes the stumbling block of pride and allow us to be open to a deeper learning. <br><br>God must humble us before he can give us any light. When we allow ourselves to trust in God and be humbled through our adversities, the light as understanding, will flow almost faster then you can process it in your mind.<br><br>But to those who resist humbling, wander off on their own path relying upon their own or borrowed understanding.<br>Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-72315568917481668412014-02-13T19:27:03.864-08:002014-02-13T19:27:03.864-08:00To anon @ 3:10 PMI agree 100% pride is the opposit...To anon @ 3:10 PM<br><br>I agree 100% pride is the opposite of humility, and it manifests as contention. Especially when there is an audience. it is pride that makes us want to be seen by others as wise or correct.<br><br>"Humility allows someone to be taught. We are all ignorant, but not all are willing to let in new understanding. We must be taught about the things we do not yet know for us to be saved. Without humility we cannot be taught, and therefore we cannot gain light. Humility is so fundamental a requirement for gaining further light and truth that without it we cannot grow. The two are so intimately linked together they form a near equivalency."Wnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-63783295707462222262014-02-13T17:07:16.117-08:002014-02-13T17:07:16.117-08:00AW,Keep talking, this is a great exercise. I belie...AW,<br>Keep talking, this is a great exercise. I believe that right before our eyes we are seeing a fulfillment of Ether 12:28:<br><br> Behold, I will show unto the Gentiles their weakness, and I will show unto them that faith, hope and charity bringeth unto me—the fountain of all righteousness.<br><br>It's hard to add to the excellent comments, but here's my two cents. You speak of faith (using the word "testimony") as if it means following something a person tells you even though you have no evidence for it, as in "I have faith that the Church is true. I have faith that if I obey my leaders then I'll be blessed. I have faith in the Gospel (whatever that means). I don't know these things, but through the Holy Ghost I have faith." (Mind you, I'm not inserting your words here, just using a common application of "faith" in our culture). The thing is, the Holy Ghost gives knowledge and light, so saying, "I have faith through the Holy Ghost that ...." is a paradoxical statement. If you have received something (light and knowledge) from the Holy Ghost, then your faith is dormant in that thing.<br><br>The way that I view "exercising my faith" is that it is simply an effort to conform what I suspect to be true. Thus, "trial of my faith" brings on a whole different meaning. I am now "proving God herewith" to determine if what the Holy Ghost has taught me is indeed true ("trying" it out). These "experiments on the word" as Alma calls them, are no more than a verification of the "seed of hope" which has been planted in my heart. If I don't throw it away, then God (through the Holy Ghost) will show me the truth of "all things."<br><br>But how can I even exercise this sort of faith through ignorance? If the Holy Ghost has taught me something, then not only is it important to confirm it, for our own confidence it is NECESSARY to research and prove it. Otherwise, some man or demon could tell me some lie which would put me in bondage, and I'd happily conform to their wishes because I "have faith" that it was true. <br><br>The God spoken of in the Book of Mormon encourages us over and over to search, ponder, study, and especially "change our beliefs," becoming as a little child again, eager to discover His nature and how Heaven operates. Our unbelief comes not in rejecting or challenging what man has told us through an institution, but ignoring the many evidences God shows us about our "weakness." If Rock or Daymon or Denver can help us to see those things, then it seems more trustworthy (according to Ether 12) than a voice from the Corporation saying "Listen to me. All is well in Zion!" <br><br>If your guy in Ecuador indeed does "find his place" in the church and settles for that, then indeed he is in captivity, because he has just given his agency away.Inspirehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07915227658956979023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-52247128027263856312014-02-13T15:12:45.240-08:002014-02-13T15:12:45.240-08:00me said, I put my name in the previous comment but...me said, <br>I put my name in the previous comment but published as anonymous. It's memenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-67456637035767689062014-02-13T15:10:17.277-08:002014-02-13T15:10:17.277-08:00Rock, I believe ignorance is willful ignoring the ...Rock, I believe ignorance is willful ignoring the truth. I don't accept people's ignorance as okay anymore. I use to feel that was fine and their own choice but now I believe that IGNORANCE IS PRIDE, and I feel intolerant of it. I will accept people in varying degrees of understanding of truth but if the ignorance (pride) keeps them from opening their minds and eyes then I'll have nothing to do with them.Anonymoushttp://menoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-1898434761485243732014-02-13T12:20:58.838-08:002014-02-13T12:20:58.838-08:00Aw,I'm sorry to say this but your arguments ar...Aw,<br><br>I'm sorry to say this but your arguments are getting worse. It reflects your ignorance of the scriptures and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I agree with "me". You're just trying to stir up contention.Gary Huntnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-21531241933147569502014-02-13T11:58:22.914-08:002014-02-13T11:58:22.914-08:00Aw, or As, as I just addressed you. There are save...Aw, or As, as I just addressed you. There are save two churches only; the church of God and the church of the devil. The first consists of those who come unto Jesus Christ and are baptized and live the gospel as is outlined in 3rd Nephi, recorded in Jesus' own words, and the other consists of all others to varying degrees. One aspect of the church of the devil is contention one with another. You are trying to stir up contention. Where does that leave you?menoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-88310485169691887792014-02-13T11:01:17.739-08:002014-02-13T11:01:17.739-08:00As, there is a difference between nescience and ig...As, there is a difference between nescience and ignorance. menoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-6292426505464756992014-02-13T10:45:51.981-08:002014-02-13T10:45:51.981-08:00I think the entire point of "Pure Mormonism&q...I think the entire point of "Pure Mormonism" has been skipped over here:<br><br>What I think "Pure Mormonism" is:<br><br>The missionaries meet a man in the highlands of Ecuador. They teach the man the gospel. The man is baptized. This man has no internet, no computer, he has never heard that Thomas Monson spent $2 billion on a shopping mall. If he is lucky, at a single occasion in his life he will be able to go to the temple and be sealed to his family. He doesn't know any of the general authorities by name, and frankly he doesn't need to. He relies entirely on the Holy Ghost to know the truth of the gospel and temple work. he accepts his place in the church. <br><br>Then we have member x:<br><br>Member x has beliefs that are subject to change based on the depth of research he finds on the internet. His testimony is based on documentation. He admires people like Denver Snuffer and Daymon Smith that have written exhaustive articles on Mormonism. <br>Everythin must be proved to brother x. Brother x does not have a childlike faith, but the skepticism of a doubting Thomas. And brothe x is quite sophticated in his arguments and tries to persuade others that his estimations of the truth are correct, instead of telling people to rely entirely on the Holy Ghost for everything.<br><br>Now you have to ask yourself the question, why would the Lord give one man a computer, and not another man? Are our beliefs and testimonies based on reading dissertations and computer research? If this is the case, then the brother in Ecuador has gotten screwed by the Lord. Or maybe none of what we think we have learned about the church on the internet means a hill of beans. You see, the man from Ecuador id happy because he believes, but brother x is tortured because his life is filled with doubts and he is constantly looking to a future point when things will be as he expects them to be.Awnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-39495186905805574282014-02-13T05:47:20.955-08:002014-02-13T05:47:20.955-08:00h,I wish I had Royal Skousen's Book of Mormon....h,<br><br>I wish I had Royal Skousen's Book of Mormon. I'd like to read that version myself. I hear good things about it.Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-65788822807565981722014-02-13T05:33:52.946-08:002014-02-13T05:33:52.946-08:00Sorry for this derailment, but has anyone read Roy...Sorry for this derailment, but has anyone read Royal Skousen's The Earliest Text BoM? I am admittedly a man of very shaky faith in regards to the whole LDS belief system right now (spent my whole life in the church), but I am rather intrigued with reading the best possible source material once again to really establish my opinion.<br><br>I had kind of given up on Mormonism, but I've read the first 1/4 of Daymon's book and I find it to be excellent. I'm actually holding back on tearing through the second portion until the weekend so that I won't have as long to wait between that and the third lol <br><br>-hAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-815128027454667252014-02-12T13:37:18.976-08:002014-02-12T13:37:18.976-08:00By the way, I suspect that poor kid Bednar used in...By the way, I suspect that poor kid Bednar used in the video was assigned in advance to ask that question. So not only is the topic rigged, but the audience was planted.<br><br>We are expected to assume the tears in that kid's eyes were a result of him feeling the spirit, but that was not my takeaway.Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-37591658306906196492014-02-12T13:35:05.449-08:002014-02-12T13:35:05.449-08:00LDS DPer, That is encouraging news about the young...LDS DPer, <br>That is encouraging news about the young people determined to only go on missions to serve Christ.<br><br>Daymon has indeed just posted part two of his book. Here it is:<br><br>http://daymonsmith.wordpress.com/2014/02/11/reading-project-1-2/<br><br>You'll find it on that page labeled (something)ProjectEast.<br><br><br>Alan Rock Watermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-29991920812925073202014-02-12T13:09:15.070-08:002014-02-12T13:09:15.070-08:00@Rock,Yikes! That youtube of David Bednar and the...@Rock,<br><br>Yikes! That youtube of David Bednar and the child--<br><br>He should have stopped--<br><br>but he kept going (David Bednar)--<br><br>yes, the child was nervous or terrified, one or the other--<br><br>probably both.<br><br>Still, it was a very uncomfortable feeling. I don't suppose the man was trying to terrorize the boy, but still--<br><br>he should have stopped.<br><br>:(<br><br>I remember when someone I loved dearly (who is no longer with us) was young and so very ill that he/she could seldom attend church. Being in the hospital all of the time was not a substitute in the minds of too many of his/her fellow church members for church attendance--<br><br>and the heartsick feeling such a talk as this would have given this beloved child, now safely with Jesus.<br><br>AND, it's interesting (if Rock did this, sorry, I can't remember)--<br><br>that I have become aware recently of a number of young people with great integrity who refuse to serve missions until they communicate to parents, especially, that they will only represent Jesus Christ and serve; they refuse to get caught up in all the other 'stuff'--<br><br>one actually decided to go ahead and go, very reluctantly, and is doing well working with really humble people--<br><br>so, yes, there ARE LDS young people who serve missions with the stipulation of: "I must testify of Jesus Christ and serve in His Name; nothing else qualifies."<br><br>Again, this is anecdotal, and these are the kinds of situations where names are not, ever, named.<br><br>LDSDPernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-35343545552861341912014-02-12T13:01:42.684-08:002014-02-12T13:01:42.684-08:00And do not try to convince anyone that my opinions...And do not try to convince anyone that my opinions are correct. I am on my own personal path to discovering truth and gaining a deeper understanding in all things.<br><br><br><br>This is "W", I believe, and I really relate to these words; just in case anyone cares. LOL!<br><br>@anyone who cares:<br><br>--I think that some of *us* might feel a bit defensive of Rock, because he has given *us* a safe place to ask questions and look, together, for answers.<br><br>But, to "Aw"<br><br>--I think you might be young, because I can remember being more 'dogmatic' (not sure that is the correct word, really)--or adamant or 'black and white' when I was young.<br><br>Often when people get older they soften up a little and see more sides to things. When people are young they often see things in 'sides', and there are usually just two 'sides'.<br><br>But as you get older you see there are, sometimes and often, more than two 'sides' to everything.<br><br>Being 'either/or' or 'black and white' is very comfortable for most people, but it has a downside of discouraging people from trying again or getting up after they have fallen or . . . trying to do better, think better.<br><br>--Collectivism. There is only one group, and everyone within that group feels the same way, has the same priorities, feelings, gifts, talents, resources, etc.<br><br>I believe collectivism is a lie. <br><br> emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity <br><br>is the definition of collectivism, and it is such a huge part of our current culture/society that most people don't question it.<br><br>I had a discussion with someone last week who said that the 'family' is the 'foundation' of 'society' (all those words are up for grabs, in my opinion), and I disagreed, and then *we* both discovered that our political philosophies were so different we couldn't even talk. He just didn't come back, and I tried to apologetically tell him we couldn't discuss anything.<br><br>If you accept that everyone in a group has to do exactly the same things and have exactly the same feelings, and there are no individuals, then you are probably correct that we should all 'goose step'--<br><br>but not everyone believes that, and I don't think God operates on that principles. I believe He values each of His children as individuals.<br><br>Since *our* definitions are different, it is hard to talk about things unless we agree to at least similar definitions.<br><br>Also, one of the reasons some of *us* like to come on this blog is that Rock--<br><br>--admits he isn't perfect<br>--has a sense of humor<br><br>I often find that those who come on here to 'duke it out' with Rock show that they believe they really ARE right (i.e. 'perfect'--LOL!, though we know nobody is)<br><br>and . . .<br><br>are somewhat lacking in a sense of humor.<br><br>Therefore, Aw--<br><br>I wish that I could get *you* to understand that at least *I* only take one 'thing' seriously, and that is God.<br><br>Everything else is up for grabs--<br><br>And, if the temple is necessary for exaltation (and I also believe that some parts of it truly are)--<br><br>what about proxy work? Most of the people who have been to this earth are now gone, and many who are now here don't know about and will never know about temples, and God is, supremely, a God of Love--<br><br>so--<br><br>each person does his/her best, if he/she is being honest--<br><br>and then depends upon others, if the foundation crumbles (*picturing a rotted floor in an old house*)<br><br>(if you end up on the basement floor you are always glad someone is up above)<br><br>:)<br><br>LDSDPernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-45301365138686672352014-02-12T12:10:51.573-08:002014-02-12T12:10:51.573-08:00Aw,The only bias I have is towards the truth. We a...Aw,<br><br>The only bias I have is towards the truth. We all have the responsibility, as individuals, to come to a knowledge and understanding of the truth. In fact you are acting more like a groupie by "playing along" with the powers-that-be in order to get your ordinances so you can get into heaven. <br><br>By the way, I think how each of us responds to the two great laws Christ gave us (love God and love our neighbor as ourself) will carry more weight in determining our eternal destination than any ordinance.<br><br>As far as your questioning of Rock is concerned, you framed them as "loaded questions" or as some say "complex questions". You did this, most likely, with the expectation of a simple yes or no/ black and white answer (false alternative). This technique was used by the pharisees and scribes trying to trap Christ in His words. Lawyers also use this technique to trap people in their words.<br><br>You said Rock "refused to answer". This is incorrect. It would be correct to say that he gave you a complex answer, which is valid for a "complex question", when you wanted a simple black and white answer. In other words he didn't play into your trap. <br><br>I'm going to add a couple of logical fallacies to my list above which you commited in your last comments to me.<br><br>6. Appeal to Popularity<br>7. Slippery Slope<br><br>Finally, Rock's use of the phrase "I'm skeered" was intended as sarcasm not as an argument.<br><br> <br><br>Gary Huntnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-16750911389356758952014-02-12T11:49:11.226-08:002014-02-12T11:49:11.226-08:00Rock,Is the new segement up?My husband went to Day...Rock,<br>Is the new segement up?<br><br>My husband went to Daymon's site, and it's still the first portion--<br><br>I just wondered if you knew. I don't know him; I've never been on his blog, so--<br><br>I am uncomfortable 'nagging' him about this--<br>:)<br><br>Just wondered if anyone else has tried downloading the new segment and hasn't had success--<br><br>LDSDPernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1342380624800894371.post-9674989189542708902014-02-12T11:44:37.526-08:002014-02-12T11:44:37.526-08:00Besides being used for pretty much every kind of f...Besides being used for pretty much every kind of function, do we know exactly what "ordinances" temples were used for PRIOR to the death of THE Prophet?..Guynoreply@blogger.com